List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Wee Jessies]

If Ed Allan doesn't get a good crack next year in seniors should we look at him? Seemed like his last three VFL games looked pretty good.

 

[Van_Dyke]

If we get Bolton and Pickett, Yes Allan is the best use of our pick

If we get both of them there's not a chance we have a pick he's available at

 

[s_wd6]

If we get Bolton and Pickett, Yes Allan is the best use of our pick

If we get Allan it means we didn’t get Pickett

 

[Bender571]

I don’t get it with Smith.

Massively over rated and coming off an ACL.

Good for Geelong to gut themselves for him

Is the ACL a big issue these days? Aside from missing 12 months of footy it seems like most players come back with the same ability and don't appear any more likely to do another one? Ashcroft didn't miss a beat coming back from his.

 

[FootyLad0]

I don’t get it with Smith.

Massively over rated and coming off an ACL.

Good for Geelong to gut themselves for him

We’ll pay Pick 15 which becomes 20 something and change….not exactly “gutting” but sure lol

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Ryan Daniels is saying he hasn't heard anything about Pickett. This one sounds unlikely.

 

[A New Hope]

They won't.

I wish that the AFL release players wages and shine a light on this bs.

If you do you shine a light near the AFL and of the kickbacks they get

 

[Dockeroo]

What’s all this about?
Surely we aren’t going to fold and give 9 & 10 for Bolton?

 

[Big Flappy]

When does the trading actually start?

 

[Megalon]

Now Martin is out the picture they surely have a dip at another small forward

No offence to Martin but I was seeing another Harley Bennell situation happening, but maybe Harley would have come good under Merriman instead of Webber, all complete speculation though

 

[Megalon]

They won one flag with all of Gawn, Trac, May, Lever, Fritsch and Oliver in absolute full flight and their prime and massive contributions from Kozzie and Jackson.

Comapre to where they are at now and it's nothing but complete delusion if they think they can win a flag again. In fact, I don't believe anyone at the club can actually be that delusional and so only care about their own jobs by not restarting

Their window is so shut, it's sealed with Selleys No More Gaps. That thing ain't opening without a chisel or crowbar. Everything just lined up perfectly for them in 2021, like you said their players were in full flight

 

[guidodp15]

What’s all this about?
Surely we aren’t going to fold and give 9 & 10 for Bolton?

Its all a game we want to low ball they want overs deal won't be 9 and 10 but will involve at least one of those.

There well be change going back one way but most likely late picks swapping with both teams thinking they won.

can't believe you arent used to it yet.
Deal wont be done before Friday next week

No offence to Martin but I was seeing another Harley Bennell situation happening, but maybe Harley would have come good under Merriman instead of Webber, all complete speculation though

Wasn't Merriman the guy that fixed is calf when he went to Melbourne?

 

[gaskin]

When does the trading actually start?

Monday.

 

[Joao]

Not sure I'm super keen to wait around for Warner by simply pushing both picks forward - so much can happen in 12 months, waiting for saviors has never served us well we need to start competing for flags now.

We need to secure Bolton. I'd love Kosi but not sure I see it happening.

So if we can get out of this with Bolton for say 9 & 16 - then take 10 and 27 into the draft.

Just have the feeling that there is going to be some wild selections and moves in this draft and having 10 & 27 will be prime targets for clubs willing to trade future picks ...there is nothing like a name that you want in front of you and the clock ticking to motivate you.

I'd happily trade 10 for a future 1st from Melb, Essendon or St Kilda ....these guys may just be enamored by a mid they rate and next year this could be a potential top 5 pick.

Same with 27 (if we can't move 10) - if we can move you into future early 2nd round territory that is quite handy.

I'd still like to take at least 1 kid in the top 30 picks.

Worst case scenario - we use both picks.

I don't want to push them forward, I wan to use them this year.

The reason we are still in the chase for Warner is because we've likely still got the cap space and haven't traded out our F1.

And no chance I'd trade 10 for an F1 from anyone other than the Tigers. Id want at least a later 1st this year to go with it for most teams and significantly more than that from others.

 

[Purple Jesus]

I don't want to push them forward, I wan to use them this year.

The reason we are still in the chase for Warner is because we've likely still got the cap space and haven't traded out our F1.

And no chance I'd trade 10 for an F1 from anyone other than the Tigers. Id want at least a later 1st this year to go with it for most teams and significantly more than that from others.

This shit is too even to trust anyone to stay where they were this season. I’d only back west coast and richmond to be as shit or shorter.

 

[Swiggy]

No offence to Martin but I was seeing another Harley Bennell situation happening, but maybe Harley would have come good under Merriman instead of Webber, all complete speculation though

Freo still need another small forward besides Bolton.

Lots to play out yet

 

[eastfreo75]

Freo still need another small forward besides Bolton.

Lots to play out yet

Let's say Bolton goes for 9,16.

Gives us 10,27 on small forwards. Hopefully one or both are any good.

Melbourne will stop any trading of their players.

 

[Docker82]

Its all a game we want to low ball they want overs deal won't be 9 and 10 but will involve at least one of those.

There well be change going back one way but most likely late picks swapping with both teams thinking they won.

can't believe you arent used to it yet.
Deal wont be done before Friday next week.

Friday next week is extremely optimistic. It’ll be done but it’ll be done second last or last day of trade period.

 

[Swiggy]

Let's say Bolton goes for 9,16.

Gives us 10,27 on small forwards. Hopefully one or both are any good.

Melbourne will stop any trading of their players.

They won’t draft 2 small forwards

Dream is kozzie or hill but doubt it but I think someone will pop up mightn’t be a star but think freo will target someone

 

[pK75]

What’s all this about?
Surely we aren’t going to fold and give 9 & 10 for Bolton?

I read this as we are offering 10&16 and they want it to be 9&16.

Edit: I like this strategy as it probably means we “fold” if they add another pick in 40’s coming back.

 

[eastfreo75]

They won’t draft 2 small forwards

Dream is kozzie or hill but doubt it but I think someone will pop up mightn’t be a star but think freo will target someone

That would solve it for sure.

 

[Chris25]

No idea what people are on about saying Allan isn’t a player we should target. He can play most positions on the ground that aren’t key position, he’s a good athlete for his size and has already played plenty of footy against men. If we draft him he’ll be a solid contributor for us as soon as 2026.

Personally I wouldn’t have Allan as a top target. Got nothing to do with him not being a quality prospect, but I just think we have bigger needs. Allan doesn’t really offer much that Johnson, O’Driscoll and Erasmus don’t already give us.

Others around the same mark offer far better skills, speed or goal kicking. All things I would target first.

I’d probably trade that pick for a future first, target someone like Davis or Oliver with our first live pick and then Urquhart later as midfield depth - rather than just take Allan.

 

[Polo342]

Personally I wouldn’t have Allan as a top target. Got nothing to do with him not being a quality prospect, but I just think we have bigger needs. Allan doesn’t really offer much that Johnson, O’Driscoll and Erasmus don’t already give us.

Others around the same mark offer far better skills, speed or goal kicking. All things I would target first.

I’d probably trade that pick for a future first, target someone like Davis or Oliver with our first live pick and then Urquhart later as midfield depth - rather than just take Allan.

Why trade for a future first if it will be used on Warner? Seems silly. Also isnt the draft next year worse?

 

[Chris25]

Why trade for a future first if it will be used on Warner? Seems silly. Also isnt the draft next year worse?

Exactly why you’d do it. To get Warner.

 

[Docker82]

Personally I wouldn’t have Allan as a top target. Got nothing to do with him not being a quality prospect, but I just think we have bigger needs. Allan doesn’t really offer much that Johnson, O’Driscoll and Erasmus don’t already give us.

Others around the same mark offer far better skills, speed or goal kicking. All things I would target first.

I’d probably trade that pick for a future first, target someone like Davis or Oliver with our first live pick and then Urquhart later as midfield depth - rather than just take Allan.

I see small forward (x2) and HBF as what we should target tbh. Bolton is one small forward and one of Irish boys could be that HBF and that all happens before the draft even starts.

I think Allan will be better than all of Erasmus, Johnson and NOD tbh and would be surprised if he isn’t better than one of them.

As it stands I think all three of the above will be phased into the best 22 over the next two years (Johnson is probably already in there) unless we draft someone else. Fyfe and JOM will retire in that time and I think the club would delist Brodie tomorrow if he didn’t have a contract. Point is mids become reasonably important once we address small forwards - we’ll bring 15+ plays (probably conservative) onto the list in the next three years including the draft, trade, rookies etc. - we’ll take almost everything in that time.

As Ive said previously I haven’t seen everyone in this draft but I’ve seen a fair bit of Allan. I quite like reading your opinion on here btw but I’m not with you on this one unless there’s an insane amount of talent in the top 15 tbh. Allan to me looks as talented as previous WA draftees that have gone around 7-10 on draft day, in some cases more talented.