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If a desperate North offered F1 and 22 for 10 and 27 would we take it?
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Nope. I might consider it without the 27 if they are desperate and we don't have trade plans for 10.
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This is a dumb question so apologies but does the F1 stay as Norths or become ours when we trade for it ( ie: is it’s value where we end up next year or North ?)
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That equates to a likely top 3 pick next year.....so yes.
Why are North desperate...Jack Darling's asking price gone up?
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North's pick based on their finishing position.
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Yeh I just remembered the death ride .
Thanks for the reply
Yeh definitely would take it , would likely ge a top 5 pick next year for Warner
Not sure why North would do that though ?
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Apparently keen to get an extra pick in this draft, get a kid 1 year earlier in a strong draft, possible chance to get to 8 wins next year, has to happen sometime. GC pick reserved for Richmond. Only other realistic pick is Saints if they get the high pick for Battle.
If we did have to give the pick 10 for Bolton and we turned that into North F1 we could expect something back from Richmond and upgrade 27 to 22. Richmond don't have to deal at the end of the day.
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Anyone who thinks we should trade for an extra F1 next year knows nothing about AFL trading obviously.
Presumably the idea is to stockpile draft capital for Chad Warner? What a dumb idea.
Firstly all we need is a single first round pick (our own will be fine) to get into the picture for Warner next year. We would also have our 2026 R1 pick available.
In the AFL the player picks the club they want to go to and that’s it. A deal then gets done with whatever draft capital teams have available.
Unless it’s completely and ridiculously out of the required range a deal inevitably gets done.
If Collingwood had pick 10 this year - Petracca would be going there. They have nothing but next years F1 so that’s a rare example where not enough capital is in the hands of the buying club.
You will notice something in the AFL - the really big clubs, the ones in perennial finals recently - I’m talking Geelong, pies, even Brisbane the last few years, none of these teams are stockpiling future picks to please a rival club. That is the mindset of a weak, passive, minnow club.
The only ones laughing will be Sydney if we trade for an F1.
Take geelong - they knew Bailey smith was coming to them over 12 months ago. Was Andrew Mackie sitting around last year saying “oh gosh let’s get an extra R1 pick next year to please the Bulldogs”?
Was he ****.
They spent every bit of capital they had, used pick 11 on Conor o Sullivan.
As for the bulldogs? They will have to just suck it up and take pick 15.
Imagine for a second the roles were reversed. Let’s say Hayden Young had one year remaining on his deal and every one knew that he wanted to get to Carlton next year.
Do we really think Carlton would be trading out of this draft into next year so they could give us an extra pick next year? Even better - from north Melbourne, so probably a future top 5 pick?
You must be joking. Carlton would not give a rats ass about us. They won’t even put pick 11 on the table this year for a dual AA in Houston!
Use the picks this year on trades or draft selections.
We need one pick in the first 18 selections next year to be able to trade for the chad if he nominates us. That’s all. Anything more than that is a waste of draft capital.
Presumably the idea is to stockpile draft capital for Chad Warner? What a dumb idea.
Firstly all we need is a single first round pick (our own will be fine) to get into the picture for Warner next year. We would also have our 2026 R1 pick available.
In the AFL the player picks the club they want to go to and that’s it. A deal then gets done with whatever draft capital teams have available.
Unless it’s completely and ridiculously out of the required range a deal inevitably gets done.
If Collingwood had pick 10 this year - Petracca would be going there. They have nothing but next years F1 so that’s a rare example where not enough capital is in the hands of the buying club.
You will notice something in the AFL - the really big clubs, the ones in perennial finals recently - I’m talking Geelong, pies, even Brisbane the last few years, none of these teams are stockpiling future picks to please a rival club. That is the mindset of a weak, passive, minnow club.
The only ones laughing will be Sydney if we trade for an F1.
Take geelong - they knew Bailey smith was coming to them over 12 months ago. Was Andrew Mackie sitting around last year saying “oh gosh let’s get an extra R1 pick next year to please the Bulldogs”?
Was he ****.
They spent every bit of capital they had, used pick 11 on Conor o Sullivan.
As for the bulldogs? They will have to just suck it up and take pick 15.
Imagine for a second the roles were reversed. Let’s say Hayden Young had one year remaining on his deal and every one knew that he wanted to get to Carlton next year.
Do we really think Carlton would be trading out of this draft into next year so they could give us an extra pick next year? Even better - from north Melbourne, so probably a future top 5 pick?
You must be joking. Carlton would not give a rats ass about us. They won’t even put pick 11 on the table this year for a dual AA in Houston!
Use the picks this year on trades or draft selections.
We need one pick in the first 18 selections next year to be able to trade for the chad if he nominates us. That’s all. Anything more than that is a waste of draft capital.
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If GWS are apparently looking at Dylan Shiel to help cover their losses... do we think we could tempt them with a Will Brodie? Hopefully his manager is asking the question..
They've got good history with cheap Freo pick ups.. DeBoer, Hogan... Sheridan?
They've got good history with cheap Freo pick ups.. DeBoer, Hogan... Sheridan?
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I don't think people are saying trade into next year just for Warner. You generally get a premium to offset risk of unknown standing of the future pick.
If that future pick improves our hand for a potential Warner trade how can that be bad. All depends on how you value this year's draft vs next year. If the player at 12 this year is viewed as equivalent to a perceived top 5 pick next year (not sure how you can know), then don't do it.
If that future pick improves our hand for a potential Warner trade how can that be bad. All depends on how you value this year's draft vs next year. If the player at 12 this year is viewed as equivalent to a perceived top 5 pick next year (not sure how you can know), then don't do it.
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The only reason Bolton is costing so much this year is because we have so many picks.
If all we had was our own pick 9, that’s all Bolton would cost.
He would still have told Richmond I want to go home for family reasons.
The scenario that would make sense to me is we have multiple targets next year, not just Warner.
But I'd prefer we took a first round pick this year.
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Unreal isn't it? We should be nothing short of disgusted if we move the pick into next year for Warner. I find it absolutely bizarre anyone can suggest it. No one has ever done it but Freo need to? **** the hell right off
Nah, that would be then set up for 9 + F1 with something strong like Richmond's F2 and other swaps.
Bolton being in contract pushes up the asking price, but we should be holding our ground because we know our picks are desirable.
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I don’t think Bolton would risk his financial security.
Pick 9 only Freo wins, doubt Richmond do it
Pick 9 and 16 slightly favours Richmond on historical trade value
Pick 9 and 10 Freo loses
Meanwhile there’s Geelong plotting if there somehow a way to get a 4 time best and fairer winner for a second round pick and a bag of chips.
Over at the pies they are already plotting how to get a superstar in Christian Petracca next year for a pick in the teens.
It’s already pissing me off that we have to overpay for Bolton this year just because we have the picks available. I can accept it for this year but rolling more draft capital into next year and missing out on another quality young player in this draft to please Sydney bloody swans? Stuff that.
Yeah, could only see us moving one if theres a year of legwork on Kozzy done but its not even a guarantee so we just won't do it
Also probably can't afford all 3 players anyway (cap wise)
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I feel we need to apply a 2019 draft lens to this draft. Not too many misses in that first 20 picks.
Here are the picks to 19, Warner, Coleman and Rivers picked after that:
Here are the picks to 19, Warner, Coleman and Rivers picked after that:
1 | Matt Rowell | Gold Coast | Oakleigh Chargers |
2 | Noah Anderson | Gold Coast | Oakleigh Chargers |
3 | Luke Jackson | Melbourne | ‹See Tfd›East Fremantle |
4 | Lachlan Ash | Greater Western Sydney | Murray Bushrangers |
5 | Dylan Stephens | Sydney | Norwood |
6 | Fischer McAsey | Adelaide | Sandringham Dragons |
7 | Hayden Young | Fremantle | Dandenong Stingrays |
8 | Caleb Serong | Fremantle | Gippsland Power |
9 | Liam Henry | Fremantle | ‹See Tfd›Claremont |
10 | Tom Green | Greater Western Sydney | Canberra Demons |
11 | Sam Flanders | Gold Coast | Gippsland Power |
12 | Kysaiah Pickett | Melbourne | Woodville-West Torrens |
13 | Will Day | Hawthorn | West Adelaide |
14 | Miles Bergman | Port Adelaide | Sandringham Dragons |
15 | Cody Weightman | Western Bulldogs | Dandenong Stingrays |
16 | Cooper Stephens | Geelong | Geelong Falcons |
17 | Brodie Kemp | Carlton | Bendigo Pioneers |
18 | Mitch Georgiades | Port Adelaide | ‹See Tfd›Subiaco |
19 | Sam De Koning | Geelong | Dandenong Stingrays |
I will take bets if it’s more than pick 9 on its own what ever Richmond’s 2nd is will come back our way and there will 100% be late pick swaps done.
Richmond will have so many top 30 picks anything else is useless to them
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So if we can turn this year's 10 into a chance at say 5 next year - we don't do it because it may be eaten by a Warner bid?
If we can move 27 for 2 x 2nd round futures - we don't because that all goes on Warner?
What if we get a chance at Kosi and Warner next year?
What if Warner doesn't come?
What if Warner does a knee?
What if he chooses WC?
What if others step up and we cool?
I know you should improve your draft hand whenever you can and that gives you options.
Highly unlikely we will benefit on field in 2025 by taking 3 more kids. Develop what we have, bring in Bolton and live trade 10/27 or WCS use it if we don't get what we want.
You don't just move picks forward to pay Sydney- you move 1 forward if you can to improve it and to give you options.
If we can move 27 for 2 x 2nd round futures - we don't because that all goes on Warner?
What if we get a chance at Kosi and Warner next year?
What if Warner doesn't come?
What if Warner does a knee?
What if he chooses WC?
What if others step up and we cool?
I know you should improve your draft hand whenever you can and that gives you options.
Highly unlikely we will benefit on field in 2025 by taking 3 more kids. Develop what we have, bring in Bolton and live trade 10/27 or WCS use it if we don't get what we want.
You don't just move picks forward to pay Sydney- you move 1 forward if you can to improve it and to give you options.
