List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[King Huskii]

Won't Gulden cost more?

Gulden will most likely cost more than Warner.

I was referring to Gulden

 

[Midnite65]

Caleb Daniel

35

Caleb Daniel

Age

28

Ht

171cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

19.5

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

CL

1.0

3star

D

16.4

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.2

2star

seems to be on the outer, pretty good user of the ball.

 

[Feathercap]

I think quality smalls is a glaring whole on our list, to be worse with Walters goes. Switta is a half season player injury wise.

Why not keep the three firsts, draft a developing tall forward and the two best small goal kickers available, take a half back flanker with the saints second.

That sets us up for years - blowing it all on the solid but not spectacular McDonald does not fill me with joy, even though that seems to be locked.

 

[Deathly]

McDonald does not fill me with joy, even though that seems to be locked.

You'd hope not. Don't want people lying about their height on the list.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

I think quality smalls is a glaring whole on our list, to be worse with Walters goes. Switta is a half season player injury wise.

Why not keep the three firsts, draft a developing tall forward and the two best small goal kickers available, take a half back flanker with the saints second.

That sets us up for years - blowing it all on the solid but not spectacular McDonald does not fill me with joy, even though that seems to be locked.

This x1,000

 

[Midnite65]

I think quality smalls is a glaring whole on our list, to be worse with Walters goes. Switta is a half season player injury wise.

Why not keep the three firsts, draft a developing tall forward and the two best small goal kickers available, take a half back flanker with the saints second.

That sets us up for years - blowing it all on the solid but not spectacular McDonald does not fill me with joy, even though that seems to be locked.

If we rely on 3 draft picks again we will be wasting prime years of Darcy, Young, Clarke, Jackson, Brayshaw, Serong while we wait for the draft pricks to develop. We have had 3-4 years of high draft picks already. We are crying out for forward talls so McDonald would be a no brainer to be next to Amiss and Treacy and would replace Tabs easily.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think quality smalls is a glaring whole on our list, to be worse with Walters goes. Switta is a half season player injury wise.

Why not keep the three firsts, draft a developing tall forward and the two best small goal kickers available, take a half back flanker with the saints second.

That sets us up for years - blowing it all on the solid but not spectacular McDonald does not fill me with joy, even though that seems to be locked.

I dont normally put a lot of stock in managers but McDonalds was as definitive as they can get on Gettable, dont think we are getting McDonald.

I also disagree 3 more kids is really a good thing. It's ok, 3 1sts is 3 1sts but I'd much rather established talent at this point

 

[FreoRicci]

If we rely on 3 draft picks again we will be wasting prime years of Darcy, Young, Clarke, Jackson, Brayshaw, Serong while we wait for the draft pricks to develop. We have had 3-4 years of high draft picks already. We are crying out for forward talls so McDonald would be a no brainer to be next to Amiss and Treacy and would replace Tabs easily.

If Tabs can’t play this week with Jackson and Darcy, what if McDonald comes in next year and have the same dilemma?
Would we play all of McDonald, Treacy, Amiss with Jackson and Darcy? Would’ve that then make the whole trade null and void?

It’s an interesting concept. McDonald isn’t necessary mobile and agile. Amiss hardly adds pressure with his half assed chasing. Treacy is a medium forward the way he plays.

Really really need small forwards. Schulz trade really has this list behind the 8 ball. Elite midfield, solid defence is possibly undone by a young, developing talls with lack of small depth.

 

[FreoRicci]

I dont normally put a lot of stock in managers but McDonalds was as definitive as they can get on Gettable, dont think we are getting McDonald.

I also disagree 3 more kids is really a good thing. It's ok, 3 1sts is 3 1sts but I'd much rather established talent at this point

Issue is firsts aren’t used on small forwards. They’re on elite talls and midfielders with the unicorn rucks- like English and Jackson.

 

[Feathercap]

If we rely on 3 draft picks again we will be wasting prime years of Darcy, Young, Clarke, Jackson, Brayshaw, Serong while we wait for the draft pricks to develop. We have had 3-4 years of high draft picks already. We are crying out for forward talls so McDonald would be a no brainer to be next to Amiss and Treacy and would replace Tabs easily.

I’ve got no problem trading for some or all of the picks but we don’t need a tall - we need one touch smalls. Class in the forward line continues to hurt us.

Much prefer Baker than McDonald - think he is a ripping, clean player and would suit the system.

Ultimately I see us having 3 young tall forwards already all who are genuine players so it’s not crisis mode. For small (other walters) the cupboard is literally bare: Simpson maybe but he’s a mid, switta is a mid turned forward.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I dont normally put a lot of stock in managers but McDonalds was as definitive as they can get on Gettable, dont think we are getting McDonald.

I also disagree 3 more kids is really a good thing. It's ok, 3 1sts is 3 1sts but I'd much rather established talent at this point

If there's 1 position where you can get a 1st rounder and have them be a real contributor as quick as possible, it's probably small fwd, and if a blue chip prospect small fwd is there for the taking I'd be stoked.

Your wider point about wanting to translate our apparent warchest of picks and cap space into win-now impact is definitely correct though, and based on what Cal has said directly (literally saying that we'll be aggressive in the trade/FA market) and indirectly (us proving it by trying it with Errol Gulden of all people), we'll be asking the question of everyone that's remotely available and hoping something shakes loose.

 

[Lach72]

I dont normally put a lot of stock in managers but McDonalds was as definitive as they can get on Gettable, dont think we are getting McDonald.

I also disagree 3 more kids is really a good thing. It's ok, 3 1sts is 3 1sts but I'd much rather established talent at this point

Yeah

I’m coming around to Baker. If he wants to come he can slot straight into half forward.

One first for him, then two elite forwards drafted or Chad Warner

 

[Deathly]

Baker seems unlikely. Baker and Smith this offseason would be a pretty good haul.

 

[theGav56]

Delean and Simpson have both been recruited to spend time forward and at some stage I expect them to debut in the current season. They should be making a serious push for inclusion next year.

If there is an outstanding prospect in the draft, grab him, but we already have options developing.

 

[pK75]

Have to admit, Baker probably would have won that game last night for us, 1 touch, composed under pressure, can kick goals. All the things Switta wasn’t.
I still want to see what Simpson and Delean can do at the top level before we go all in for two more small forwards. Elite users of the ball is what we really need, maybe JOM to the wing/HHF role will improve our I50s this week.

 

[blue shark]

Issue is firsts aren’t used on small forwards. They’re on elite talls and midfielders with the unicorn rucks- like English and Jackson.

This is sort of correct, but sometimes clubs take a chance on small forwards early.
It is uncommon, usually it’s after the top ten or so players.
But where our picks are predicted I’d take the chance especially if it’s the difference
of winning finals.

 

[go_the_dockers]

This is sort of correct, but sometimes clubs take a chance on small forwards early.
It is uncommon, usually it’s after the top ten or so players.
But where our picks are predicted I’d take the chance especially if it’s the difference
of winning finals.

At the moment there is a lack of small forward talent in the draft.

 

[Ysaye]

This is sort of correct, but sometimes clubs take a chance on small forwards early.
It is uncommon, usually it’s after the top ten or so players.
But where our picks are predicted I’d take the chance especially if it’s the difference
of winning finals.

List managers will take small forwards early if they are "worth it" - ie. they empirically have kicked lots of goals at colts/TAC cup level, tackle a lot, have demonstrated the right attitudes to training, have the athleticism (super speed and agility, leap, endurance) and skills. Look at this draft year though, what small even has the right athleticism? Kako and Champion I don't think are going to be world beaters when it comes to testing; more like just okay. Ball gathering inside mids with a splattering of talls and a few hbf/utility types will likely be the first round mix this year.

 

[Joao]

We definitely don't need a developing 1st round tall unless we're putting a line Treacy and I personally think he's tracking fine.

Walters maybe has this year and next and we absolutely should be prepared for the possibility he's not up to it next year.
Switta never plays a full season.
Sturt may get back but even his supporters (including me) are rightly concerned the jig is up


We're looking for a proper class finisher and HHF that get into space and can kick to forwards advantage. They absolutely can be gotten in the mid-late first round and can impact ok in their first couple of years.

Weightman
Miers
Bailey
Pickett
Probably a bunch of others I've forgotten.

All taken around or after where our first 3 picks are going to be.

 

[blue shark]

At the moment there is a lack of small forward talent in the draft.

This always changes once the U18’s starts or has finished.
Sure there is not much ATM in the first round, but guys who are around
174cm and light on are never rated.
The reality is that we should of taken Bobby Hill instead of Sturt.

 

[blue shark]

List managers will take small forwards early if they are "worth it" - ie. they empirically have kicked lots of goals at colts/TAC cup level, tackle a lot, have demonstrated the right attitudes to training, have the athleticism (super speed and agility, leap, endurance) and skills. Look at this draft year though, what small even has the right athleticism? Kako and Champion I don't think are going to be world beaters when it comes to testing; more like just okay. Ball gathering inside mids with a splattering of talls and a few hbf/utility types will likely be the first round mix this year.

Not always we picked Henry after all.

 

[Midnite65]

Not always we picked Henry after all.

Henry is not a very good small forward unless you want one that doesn't kick a lot of goals.

 

[eastfreo75]

Caleb Daniel seems to be on the outer, pretty good user of the ball.

Something smells at the Dogs.

Remember speaking with Weightman that no one can predict what the coach will do in selection.

 

[Ysaye]

Henry is not a very good small forward unless you want one that doesn't kick a lot of goals.

Henry actually was kicking heaps of goals at a Colts and U18 nationals before being drafted. He was / is also an incredibly hard trainer and was top 10 nationally in terms of agility for his year. He was also perceived by recruiters as versatile; there were numerous times where he would go into the claremont midfield and get something like 20 odd possessions and 4 goals and basically win the game for them. He was a most excellent junior IMO worth a top 10 pick.

Anyway, there is no one of Henry's junior form level out there this year in the WAFL.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

Is baker a free agent?

Zurhaar looks half out the door ?

Could get them both for nothing plus use our round 1 picks.

Curtain the other temptation