People were literally stamping Langdon's papers gleefully when he left, his kicking his significantly improved but he couldn't hit a target 20 metres away in his last season with us. You're misremembering him
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People were literally stamping Langdon's papers gleefully when he left, his kicking his significantly improved but he couldn't hit a target 20 metres away in his last season with us. You're misremembering him
Why was I under the impression that Hill was in the 40 man AA squad in his final year? I took it as fact for 5 years until I just decided to google it again and realise he wasn't in it. I was certain he made the squad but missed out on the team...
Either way he had a B&F for us and a 3rd place finish in his two full seasons at the club. Add to that two years left on his contract and there was no way he was even coming close to Langdon in terms of value.
Langdon had finished 4th and 5th in 2018+2019 but whether or not that was because he was that good or because he actually played a full season I can't remember.
I do remember thinking he was a good player for us at the time but his final kick i50 was always a shocker.
Either way he had a B&F for us and a 3rd place finish in his two full seasons at the club. Add to that two years left on his contract and there was no way he was even coming close to Langdon in terms of value.
Langdon had finished 4th and 5th in 2018+2019 but whether or not that was because he was that good or because he actually played a full season I can't remember.
I do remember thinking he was a good player for us at the time but his final kick i50 was always a shocker.
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At the time I felt we would miss Langdon more than Hill.
One was under rated & the other over rated IMO
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Couldn't disagree more. Hill was a much better footballer over the 2-3 years prior.
I'm more than comfortable with what we got for Langdon given we traded similar for Nathan Wilson. When both were traded Wilson was the better footballer of the two imo. Wilson was contracted so in theory we should've paid overs but the difference was an irrelevant pick upgrade that everyone has forgotten about.
A second rounder is the going rate for a solid best 22 player which is all those two were. I think we get the 2019 second rounder rather than future pick for Langdon if contracted - again not as much of difference as other people would think. We were never getting a first rounder and that isn't because he was OOC.
Hill could've easily won an All Australian at Freo - Langdon has not and will not get to that level despite being a very good footballer who'll have a 10+ year career of being best 22 (and a top 10-12 player for a lot of that time) wherever he chooses to play.
Hill was a jet but we played a desperate and incompetent St Kilda perfectly. I think we could've done the same if he was OOC tbh. We've played a few incompetent clubs perfectly over the years but when clubs are competent we have paid/been paid mostly a fair price imo (Acres is another exception).
I see where you are coming from, but I always loved Langdon's support for the defence, combined with his attacking run. Yes, his disposal was less than good, regularly, but he really did work hard to shore up our backline.
As for Hill, he was a very good link up player, & his disposal with "safe" kicks has always been excellent, but the only support i remember him giving our backline was the outlet kick or handball receive.
Maybe I am being harsh on him as he was very, very outside and many of his disposals were the handball receive after a mark or free kick. Yes, that is not bad play & creates run, but for mine that was him one wood, which I believe has been diminished with the stand rule.
Now it is easier for players to play on, removing the reliance on many handball receives.
Excuse the meandering subject.
Hill was very good for us, but over rated & we fleeced the Saints, but Langdon was under rated & the Dees got the better of that trade.
Swings & roundabouts I suppose.
Similar to 2 other wingmen, Sharp & Acres.
I'll agree to disagree with you regarding Langdon & Hill.
Man, I really miss Stephen Hill
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There were certainly people who were in that category. No arguments there. Others weren't. I always thought it was crazy stuff bagging out an elite running high possession wing. They're as rare as hens teeth.
Just my onion, but of all the players we lost Langdon and Hogan were the two hardest to replace. We got a bit lucky with Treacy off the Rookie List come on the way he has, but we still haven't really replaced Langdon and there's no one on the list anywhere near his talent for that wing.
I still really want O'Driscoll to work out because he bleeds purple and would solve a gaping hole. I haven't given up hope but he's coming from a long way back now, particularly battling another injury. Our other options are Stanley or do as we do and just rotate players off that wing (O'Meara was good v Melbourne in that position I thought).
Langdon has been replaced on the wing like five times over what are you talking about. Literally even Sharp now is better than him.
Worst result for freo is he leaves, more money to offer Warner
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He will stay.
Who's his manger
I'm not sure he is worth huge dollars.
Who's his manger
mcdonald has looked underwhelming in the best team going around.
I'm not sure he is worth huge dollars.
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Langdon vs BHill
Just in case anyone's interested in some stats.
The below supports the statements that Langdon is unfairly bagged and is under-rated, whilst BHill is over-rated in a H2H comparison. They are remarkably similar.
Just in case anyone's interested in some stats.
The below supports the statements that Langdon is unfairly bagged and is under-rated, whilst BHill is over-rated in a H2H comparison. They are remarkably similar.
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What if we decide to look longer term and just go to the draft?
Still leaves a war chest, cash management and we bring in 4 really good
prospects?
Warner, Baker weren’t drafted on talent alone. The system they went too
helped nurture that development.
Sure one flag opportunity would be nice, long term you could be looking at a
dynasty club scenario.
Walls has had one hand tied behind his back last few years and has still delivered.
Striking too early usually ends up with that trophy catch swimming away.
We shouldn’t see Tabs, Hughes in Freo colours this year unless injuries occur.
Pretty much finished, then you have Walters who should retire at the end of the
year.
Brodie should find another AFL club, so positions should open up all over the ground.
Fyfe won’t play 300 games, and player movements are inevitable.
Unfortunately others will be moved on, who you would think are safe?
Reidy could also be another Meek scenario, so even the ruck depth changes.
Some tough calls will be made, as you expect from a club that is challenging.
Those stats are for now, and not when the conversation is centred around.
Most people would agree after they left Langdon continued to improve and Hill went backwards.
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We have looked longer term for nearly 30 years, the time to strike is now...free agents or trades for the right pieces for our team.
Hill might’ve even averaged out to be our best player over the period he was at the club and that is a period where Nat Fyfe won a Brownlow, Michael Walters was right in his prime and David Mundy was still very good.
He was 26 when traded to St Kilda. Anyone who says they saw the drop off coming is lying.
What I will say about both these guys is I think with them on our list we really should’ve made finals in 2019. I don’t think we’ve ever really replaced both - we’ve had one good winger at times since but not two.
Or a bit of both?
Skewing trades towards low/mid twenties.
Let’s be honest, the Luke Jackson trade has probably set what the core age of our group needs to be for a premiership push. Whilst I’m sure we’ll have some players make it from the 2022 and 2023, I don’t think it’s going to be much more than two or three players becoming best 22/23 tbh.
We’re in a good spot though as those on our list drafted between 2019 and 2021 are very good along with a handful of slightly older players. I’m sure guys like Darcy, Cox, Brayshaw, Clark etc. despite being older than the group I mentioned will be around for some time but the clock is already ticking for guys like Alex Pearce, Luke Ryan, Sam Switkowski and James Aish. The first two in particular are the sorts of players it’s really not ideal to need to replace during a premiership push.
Ideally get more players of the age of the 2019-2021 draftees or one or two years older. With that group we’re talking Serong, Young, Jackson, Sharp, Frederick, Chapman, Treacy, Walker, Amiss and Johnson plus four I listed above and a few of the leftover oldies. I still reckon Erasmus will be a gun if used correctly too. Imagine all those plus some other very good players right in their prime together.
Whilst it’s not impossible two or three players aged 21 or under play in our first flag, I can’t see it being it being much more than that. Ideally we use 2-3 high-ish draft picks (I’d still take three or four selections regardless) and trade in some more top end talent in or near their prime. Liam Baker is probably a year or two older than what is ideal but I’m not sure it really matters. Warner is the perfect age for us.
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I'd say we use one draft pick in first or second round, we already have multiple players like Davies, Draper (after Cox comes back), Wagner, Reidy, Simpson, Stanley, Voss, etc. to get games.
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