List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Demons09]

To improve our forward line and outside class.

Next year I am happy to go all in on Warner. I think this year is 1 year early.

Afraid we will end up like St Kilda. Without true top end talent.

Why so they can sit at Peel for the next 3 years developing, our experienced players all have one or two years left we need to trade more experience in if anything.

 

[Lach72]

It may be one year early but the problem is this is the year we will have the draft capital to go and get him.

Weird because Warner is instant top end talent too, not talent we need to wait five years to mature for

 

[BettercallSaul]

WA blitzed SA Adelaide today by 60+ points. Bo Allen was very good apparently. Curtin’s younger brother too. FYI

 

[apuchar]

WA blitzed SA Adelaide today by 60+ points. Bo Allen was very good apparently. Curtin’s younger brother too. FYI

Curtin was really good as was Rohr and the whole defense. Thought oi was ok but I may have missed some of his work. Urquhart was good inside mid but his kicking is unreliable unless it is an easy kick. Liked Will Hayes. Small passy wing hf. Best I have seen Gerryn play. Looked a little more agile and a little quicker. Takes a good contested mark. Davis good too

 

[WilloTree]

I'm not for one second saying Darcy was good. My point is how can you watch that game and pinpoint it on Darcy. Could point out a dozen other players who were worse

only 12?

 

[Docker82]

I would’ve preferred to use these picks two years ago tbh.

I’m reasonably comfortable that Walls can find decent players with first round picks but if having everyone close enough to their peak is not important, it’s damn close to essential.

Is a 33-34 year old Alex Pearce

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Alex Pearce

Age

29

Ht

201cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

106.3

2star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

103.2

2star

and Luke Ryan going to help us win a flag? They could possibly but they could also be banged up and/or retired by then. Having the window 2-3 earlier could mean it’s a genuine 4-5 window rather than relying on miracles for it to more than 2-3 years.

Drafting isn’t always the answer. It is at the start of a rebuild and is the answer a lot of the time but good lists are built through the draft - premiership lists are built through both the draft AND trading. No good list is built by just trading but we’ve already drafted heaps.

We should be looking to trade but also paying a fair price, which imo is pretty much what we’ve been paying for players we’ve bought in - all these hindsight heroes can say we got screwed in a trade or two but that wasn’t the case at the time. More than happy to go to the draft if we’ve still got those picks after trade week. I’m not a fan of trading into the future again tbh. We’ve got to improve our list now before we’re trying to do so whilst falling 10-15 points short in Grand Final like we did in 2013.

It’s about having enough A Grade talent at their peak at the same time. I honestly think relying on three 18 year olds to come good in 3-4 years is basically accepting we’ve ****ed this rebuild tbh. Let’s not overreact on yesterday - we’re 1-2 players and 1-2 years off being a very good list that’s capable of competing for top four. Sooner we get those 1-2 players the better - drafting and developing is the slow way.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Do we have our 6 plus A graders to win a flag?
Richmond has Dusty, Reiwoldt, Cotchin, Rance or Lynch, I am sure I missed a few.
Hewks. Buddy, Roughead, Mitchell, Lewis, Hodge, , Burgoyne, Rioli plus a great supporting cast of hill, Smith, lake, etc

We have Serong
Amiss in a few years
Pearce,
maybe Brayshaw, probably 1 level below.
maybe Young.
Treacy hopefully, needs to do this year again.
Jackson, Darcy as well.
Can't help but feel we need 2 more A graders. Would love to hit draft this year, and then top up.

Clark and Ryan are A grade.

 

[chinggis77]

Logan McDonald's role at the swans has been reduced to being a decoy for Amartey.
His value is diminishing by the week

Why do we want another tall forward when our mids get smashed like they did on the weekend? Warner is the one we should want. Goal kicking midfielder. We also saw how having Taberner in the side really took away from Amiss.

The more goal kicking midfielders we have, the more uncertainty it creates for our forward entries, and the more space it creates for Amiss/Traecy.

 

[The Feeder Club]

Why do we want another tall forward when our mids get smashed like they did on the weekend? Warner is the one we should want. Goal kicking midfielder. We also saw how having Taberner in the side really took away from Amiss.

The more goal kicking midfielders we have, the more uncertainty it creates for our forward entries, and the more space it creates for Amiss/Traecy.

I agree

 

[theGav56]

Why do we want another tall forward when our mids get smashed like they did on the weekend? Warner is the one we should want. Goal kicking midfielder. We also saw how having Taberner in the side really took away from Amiss.

The more goal kicking midfielders we have, the more uncertainty it creates for our forward entries, and the more space it creates for Amiss/Traecy.

Voss also seems decent depth, and if Kuek gets through his injury issues he may provide a point of difference.

 

[Taylor]

No good list is built by just trading but we’ve already drafted heaps

I completely agree with you I just wanted to take this opportunity to say Carlton can't develop their own talent.

 

[Lach72]

So, Stengle is a good citizen these days?

If so we should be throwing some money his way

 

[Ge3ks]

I would’ve preferred to use these picks two years tbh.

What does this mean? Can't make sense of it.

 

[Taylor]

So, Stengle is a good citizen these days?

If so we should be throwing some money his way

Anna Scullie, the wife of Eddie Betts, is Tyson's legal guardian and holds power of attorney over his affairs. She's the one you need to convince.

 

[Docker82]

What does this mean? Can't make sense of it.

It means I think we need these players to be at their peak at the right time. Drafting them two years ago would've really helped close the gap between the peak of these guys and Pearce, Ryan etc. still being able to contribute at their current level.

Yes, I'm aware taking those picks two years ago wasn't an option but I don't think we can wait 4-5 for these guys to be A Graders. We need it in 2-3 years otherwise we're looking at a one or two year premiership window at best.

Either we get lucky and one or two of these guys comes in like Serong and performs pretty much straight away but a situation like Johnson, Erasmus and Simpson is more likely. In that less ideal, more likely scenario they're either developing at Peel contributing little to a premiership push or are an inconsistent bottom six player that's in the team more to do with potential than current performance. Then we get to say the 2026 Grand Final and fall short and wonder if we could've traded in an extra tall forward (using 2013 as an example - would be small forward in 2026).

 

[Taylor]

Scott Gumbleton

Scott Gumbleton

Age

35

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

, 2013 traded to Fremantle for pick #55

What could have been...

 

[Wizard]

So, Stengle is a good citizen these days?

If so we should be throwing some money his way

Reported this morning that he is going to go with the highest Victorian bidder.

 

[Swiggy]

So, Stengle is a good citizen these days?

If so we should be throwing some money his way

I'd stay well away from few story been told

 

[Ge3ks]

It means I think we need these players to be at their peak at the right time. Drafting them two years ago would've really helped close the gap between the peak of these guys and Pearce, Ryan etc. still being able to contribute at their current level.

Yes, I'm aware taking those picks two years ago wasn't an option but I don't think we can wait 4-5 for these guys to be A Graders. We need it in 2-3 years otherwise we're looking at a one or two year premiership window at best.

Either we get lucky and one or two of these guys comes in like Serong and performs pretty much straight away but a situation like Johnson, Erasmus and Simpson is more likely. In that less ideal, more likely scenario they're either developing at Peel contributing little to a premiership push or are an inconsistent bottom six player that's in the team more to do with potential than current performance. Then we get to say the 2026 Grand Final and fall short and wonder if we could've traded in an extra tall forward (using 2013 as an example - would be small forward in 2026).

Oh got it. You left out the word 'ago' in your opening sentence. Makes sense now.

 

[nurries]

Reported this morning that he is going to go with the highest Victorian bidder.

Fair enough. We don’t need another resting sad face, we already got rid of Schultz

 

[Firesharter]

I’d trade Darcy and Stengle if either were willing plus whatever picks it takes to make it happen

 

[freo_leo29]

I’d trade Darcy and Stengle if either were willing plus whatever picks it takes to make it happen

Stengle is a UFA


Darcy isn't going anywhere

 

[Firesharter]

Stengle is a UFA


Darcy isn't going anywhere

That’s a shame

 

[freo_leo29]

Looks like Yeo is getting his 3 year deal with WCE


Probably unders on MV but still 3 years is a long time for WCE

 

[DragoDelph]

Also looks like baker will stay.