List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets

[Eski3]

I would normally absolutely hate it, but Walls has just got everything so right recently that I'm willing to back him in

 

[serial_thrilla]

Just Andy, Sturt and Banners left. Banners allegedly already done and Andy is a formality I suspect. Sturt is the one.

Wagner?

 

[FreoBraddles]

Wagner?

Josh Gabelich wrote yesterday that Wags is done - 2 years.

 

[james brayshaw]

Hate to be a downer, but Warner is unlikely be an option. Bolton will be if we satisfy him $$ wise.

I trust my source, however im sure others here have legitimate sources as well who have heard differently.

Like i mentioned here, we will need Richmond to take on a significant amount of Boltons salary to make this work.

 

[DragoDelph]

I hate it. The guys has been over rated since he was drafted, and always injured.

It’s a shit idea.

Check his stats for the finals last year.

Big reason the blues went as well as they did imo.

For a cheap contract, if we have the space, you take the punt that you can have him right when it matters.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Check his stats for the finals last year.

Big reason the blues went as well as they did imo.

For a cheap contract, if we have the space, you take the punt that you can have him right when it matters.

With another preseason I think Cooper Simpson can play his role, but if he wants to come for peanuts & costs nothing then I don’t see the issue in bringing him in as he can play when fit.

 

[Docker82]

Think fans on here need to get their heads around Martin being a target, they have been saying all year freo are into him, I don’t hate the idea if he’s cheap

I hate the idea of using a list spot on him tbh.

I want to use those four picks to bring in four new players (if we trade two picks for a player I'd still use three selections btw). By the time you delist five players to make room for even that to happen I'm not sure I'd rather have Martin on our list than any of the remaining out of contract players tbh.

Outside of SSPs, Wagner and perhaps Colyer none of the genuinely cheap recycled players (i.e. third or fourth round picks) have been worth the time and effort from an on field perspective.

 

[DragoDelph]

Ugh.

It’s SSP. Supplemental Selection Period.

Not Sam Powell-Pepper

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Sam Powell-pepper

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187cm

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98kg

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0.8

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For frells sake

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Brayshaw is basically our franchise player. The club wouldn't be stupid enough to do anything that would risk losing him. We no doubt have the money to pay our guys and bring in a couple of big names. TREACY TIL 2030 LFG!!!!!

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Has our future ever looked brighter? Exciting time to be a Freo fan.

 

[Taylor]

2025 List Management Thread will look pretty threadbare considering this is our list of players coming out of contract:
Fyfe
Brayshaw (I expect to be signed before the date even says 2025)
Walters
Aish
Sharp (I'd hope he too is extended prior to end of the season)
McDonald
Worner
Pearce
Erasmus
Delean

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

2025 List Management Thread will look pretty threadbare considering this is our list of players coming out of contract:
Fyfe
Brayshaw (I expect to be signed before the date even says 2025)
Walters
Aish
Sharp (I'd hope he too is extended prior to end of the season)
McDonald
Worner
Pearce
Erasmus
Delean

That list looks extremely grim for Worner, Delean, McDonald, Aish and Ras (good for freo_leo29 though).

 

[Taylor]

That list looks extremely grim for Worner, Delean, McDonald, Aish and Ras (good for freo_leo29 though).

Early assessment would have me thinking we have room on the primary list for one of Alex Pearce or Oscar McDonald and the process for deciding which would be that Alex Pearce is signed to an extension right now and McDonald needs to play significant games in 2025 to be retained.

I think the spot for a small forward and Erasmus with Walters and Fyfe phasing out next year - assuming Fyfe's impact in games begins to fade.

But this doesn't include the list of players out of contract this year who sign a single year extension:
Emmett, Corbett, O'Driscoll, Voss, etc

 

[Cowboy Neale]

That list looks extremely grim for Worner, Delean, McDonald, Aish and Ras (good for freo_leo29 though).

I think we hang onto Aish, he's very versatile and can plug a gap down back, in the middle and at a pinch on the forward flank, plus he's a pretty smart footballer. Great depth IMO.

 

[go_the_dockers]

2025 List Management Thread will look pretty threadbare considering this is our list of players coming out of contract:
Fyfe
Brayshaw (I expect to be signed before the date even says 2025)
Walters
Aish
Sharp (I'd hope he too is extended prior to end of the season)
McDonald
Worner
Pearce
Erasmus
Delean

Fyfe and Walters will be very close to retiring at this point.

McDonald will probably be in trouble, with Draper and Davies going past him.

Dealan and Worner will depend on what we draft this year.

 

[Taylor]

But now for something a little different.

St Kilda list manager James Gallagher

James Gallagher

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44

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176cm

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70kg

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12.3

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8.2

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4.1

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2.5

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1.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

16.2

4star

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12.2

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4.0

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3.2

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1.0

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signed Josh Battle

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Josh Battle

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26

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193cm

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93kg

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12.9

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9.0

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3.9

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5.0

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2.4

4star

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196.8

3star

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11.0

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7.3

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3.8

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4.0

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1.8

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142.8

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10.8

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6.2

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4.6

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3.4

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2.0

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175.6

3star

to a two year extension in 2022, taking him to end of this year where he became a free agent. Gallagher left St Kilda end of that season.

A restricted free agent needs to have their salary in the last year of the contract place them in the top 25% of the playing list. Roughly the top nine to ten players at the club.

Josh Battle

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Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

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Def

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Last 5

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12.9

3star

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9.0

3star

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3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

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10.8

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6.2

3star

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4.6

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3.4

4star

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2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

does not sit within the top 25% of the list at St Kilda and as a result is an unrestricted free agent. He can go to any club he wants without St Kilda having any opportunity to counter an offer outside of regular negotiations.

End of 2023 St Kilda brought across Liam Henry. It is the standard that players are paid to move, they have their contract front loaded to incentivise the movement and attract the player to that specific club.

I put it to you that the buying of Liam Henry last year, with his front loaded contract in 2024, pushed Josh Battle

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Josh Battle

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Def

Career

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Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

196.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

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1.8

3star

MG

142.8

3star

D

10.8

3star

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6.2

3star

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4.6

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

175.6

3star

out of the top 25% of players in his free agency year and stuffed St Kilda on matching offers.

 

[freo_leo29]

But now for something a little different.

St Kilda list manager James Gallagher signed Josh Battle to a two year extension in 2022, taking him to end of this year where he became a free agent. Gallagher left St Kilda end of that season.

A restricted free agent needs to have their salary in the last year of the contract place them in the top 25% of the playing list. Roughly the top nine to ten players at the club.

Josh Battle does not sit within the top 25% of the list at St Kilda and as a result is an unrestricted free agent. He can go to any club he wants without St Kilda having any opportunity to counter an offer outside of regular negotiations.

End of 2023 St Kilda brought across Liam Henry. It is the standard that players are paid to move, they have their contract front loaded to incentivise the movement and attract the player to that specific club.

I put it to you that the buying of Liam Henry last year, with his front loaded contract in 2024, pushed Josh Battle out of the top 25% of players in his free agency year and stuffed St Kilda on matching offers.

Battle is only on 400k so probably not 25% anyway

 

[freo_leo29]

I have always wondered why clubs can't manipulate it though?

Renegotiate other players deals to push battle into the top 25%


Eg drop someone who was 8th down to 12th and push someone who was 4th upto 1st (but then it's reversed the next year)

Might just be too annoying for players, I suppose noone really wants their pay to shift down even if only for a year

 

[Ge3ks]

But now for something a little different.

St Kilda list manager James Gallagher signed Josh Battle to a two year extension in 2022, taking him to end of this year where he became a free agent. Gallagher left St Kilda end of that season.

A restricted free agent needs to have their salary in the last year of the contract place them in the top 25% of the playing list. Roughly the top nine to ten players at the club.

Josh Battle does not sit within the top 25% of the list at St Kilda and as a result is an unrestricted free agent. He can go to any club he wants without St Kilda having any opportunity to counter an offer outside of regular negotiations.

End of 2023 St Kilda brought across Liam Henry. It is the standard that players are paid to move, they have their contract front loaded to incentivise the movement and attract the player to that specific club.

I put it to you that the buying of Liam Henry last year, with his front loaded contract in 2024, pushed Josh Battle out of the top 25% of players in his free agency year and stuffed St Kilda on matching offers.

How does this apply to us?

 

[Swiggy]

I hate it. The guys has been over rated since he was drafted, and always injured.

It’s a shit idea.

if can get him fit, can never have enough talent in the front half

 

[Taylor]

How does this apply to us?

An example of list management elsewhere. The darkness by which the light of our own is seen and allows measure.

 

[go_the_dockers]

if can get him fit, can never have enough talent in the front half

We don't have the list space to take an over paid, injury prone player who does not deliver.


He plays about 50% of games each year.
Averages about 1 goal a game, 2 to 2.5 tackles per game and 10 possessions.

He is not an upgrade on Sturt or Banfield.

 

[Docker82]

That list looks extremely grim for Worner, Delean, McDonald, Aish and Ras (good for freo_leo29 though).

Quite a few of our 2024 guys probably join that list tbh. Maybe not as grim for the names you’ve listed once that happens.

 

[Docker82]

We don't have the list space to take an over paid, injury prone player who does not deliver.


He plays about 50% of games each year.
Averages about 1 goal a game, 2 to 2.5 tackles per game and 10 possessions.

He is not an upgrade on Sturt or Banfield.

Not sure he offers much more than Emmett even before you consider availability.

Sure Martin looks better when watching a game but I don’t think I’ve ever seen Martin dominate a game.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Quite a few of our 2024 guys probably join that list tbh. Maybe not as grim for the names you’ve listed once that happens.

Realistically I'd think it's just Noddy and Emmett getting 1 year deals though right? Voss, Sturt and Banners definitely need at least two.