List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Midnite65]

One of the firsts is a 3 spot downgrade.

Arguably, it’s 9 and 10 for Bolton and their future 2nd, likely a pick around ~25

Too much

 

[anchor man]

The thing is, (and I need to do a post up on the DTFA board), a lot of people are simply passing on information they get.

That info can be distorted through someone else's perception, or hopes.

Information can also change hourly, let alone weekly, as clubs and players pivot. So info that was right yesterday, can look silly tomorrow.

We just need to give people the benefit of the doubt, it's not often that people troll for the sake of it. (and those that do get found out pretty quickly).

Treat them with grace, take it with a grain of salt, and more people may be inclined to share the hints and tips they receive.

Informatiin from who? It certainly wouldn't be from people close to the club.
Rumour and innuendo are not information.
But, I guess it floats some boats.

 

[kp junior]

Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?

He’s very good, right age, right position of need, and he’s a local who’s dad played for Freo and Peel. And he wants to come here.
We will pay overs if we have to.


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[Wee Jessies]

Call me crazy, but with Bolton wanting to come back to specifically play for Freo, why are we contemplating loading up a swag of our first rounders? Yes, he’s a very good player and in a position we desperately need, but I look at the Cerra trade where he selected Carltank, was a high performing very early draft pick and we gave him away for a single first rounder and chips. Why is Bolton worth so much more than that?

Cerra trade was reasonable at the time maybe a second round pick as well. Looks very vanilla now though especially compared to top shelf Bolton. Question is can Bolton reach those heights again.

 

[Dockernut]

He’s very good, right age, right position of need, and he’s a local who’s dad played for Freo and Peel. And he wants to come here.
We will pay overs if we have to.


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Hate to hear it, but I know you’re right.

 

[Barls_7]

It’s not our fault Bolton wants to leave. Why should we have to cough up our good draft hand? Pass on the bloke. He isn’t worth two of our first rounders, let alone three!

 

[Stinky Lomax]

It’s not our fault Bolton wants to leave. Why should we have to cough up our good draft hand? Pass on the bloke. He isn’t worth two of our first rounders, let alone three!

That’s not going to happen. The reason he has chosen us is because we’ve already promised him we’ll do what we can to make a deal.
For us supporters he is a proven X factor that we don’t have & is guaranteed to make us better.
Edit, I’m pretty sure it is partly our fault he wants to leave.

 

[MadMundy]

Whether or not people agree, Bolton from an objective standpoint is a big upgrade to our team.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

I just really hope we don't end the offseason with:

In: Bolton, Martin, 2nd and 3rd round Pick
Out: 9,10,17, Switkowski and Sturt

It would kill us and I don't think it's that unrealistic.

 

[SPEEDWAGON]

Sturt must be leaving - why has he not signed ? Injury prone but I’d prefer he stayed

Swit I’m not sure, kind of always annoyed me but was good at times this year

Banfield should have been delisted sorry he’s not afl standard

 

[MadMundy]

Sturt must be leaving - why has he not signed ? Injury prone but I’d prefer he stayed

Swit I’m not sure, kind of always annoyed me but was good at times this year

Banfield should have been delisted sorry he’s not afl standard

Sturt is 100% weighing his options up, can you blame him, likely waiting on the money factor.

None of this means he's leaving, he's just doing his due dilligence.

 

[freo1997]

Switta contracted to 2026? Yeah I’ll be hanging onto him unless we get overs. Richmond wants every pick under the sun for Bolton allegedly..would want a Shultz like trade for Switta. Not sure of Swittas destination? But he was Box Hill so..

As for Sturt. He is a great kick for goal but besides that adds little for mine. I would rather hang onto him but we can’t get bent over $ wise.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Switta contracted to 2026? Yeah I’ll be hanging onto him unless we get overs. Richmond wants every pick under the sun for Bolton allegedly..would want a Shultz like trade for Switta. Not sure of Swittas destination? But he was Box Hill so..

As for Sturt. He is a great kick for goal but besides that adds little for mine. I would rather hang onto him but we can’t get bent over $ wise.

Easily worth 4-500 for what he brings to our list. We need to add 2 goals a game, not lose them.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You know when your watching Cameron, Stengle, Pickett one out with defender and you just think, yeah, that defender is ****ed? Have you thought about anyone in our team since Ballas? We need another forward threat. Bolton is going to be massive for our transition and forward threat.

Depth is also the easiest position to fill out, half of it is coaching and using players properly.

 

[apuchar]

That’s not going to happen. The reason he has chosen us is because we’ve already promised him we’ll do what we can to make a deal.
For us supporters he is a proven X factor that we don’t have & is guaranteed to make us better.
Edit, I’m pretty sure it is partly our fault he wants to leave.

If we lose Switta and Sturt we won't be better overall.

 

[Purple Jesus]

You know when your watching Cameron, Stengle, Pickett one out with defender and you just think, yeah, that defender is ****ed? Have you thought about anyone in our team since Ballas? We need another forward threat. Bolton is going to be massive for our transition and forward threat.

Depth is also the easiest position to fill out, half of it is coaching and using players properly.

100%. We need multiple threats up forward so their defence shit themselves when it comes in hot.

 

[believe_it]

Bolton would be a good addition. Dangerfield at the same age effectively cost Geelong 9 and 28. I would suggest Dangerfield comparatively a more valuable player.
Bolton will be 26 next year and most AFL players don't go much past 30 and if they do they generally are on the decline. Mundys are the exception not the rule. Our list is youthful and strong - we don't need to squander picks in desperation. No way should we go more than one first plus trimmings.

 

[ilikepotatoes]

Bolton would be a good addition. Dangerfield at the same age effectively cost Geelong 9 and 28. I would suggest Dangerfield comparatively a more valuable player.
Bolton will be 26 next year and most AFL players don't go much past 30 and if they do they generally are on the decline. Mundys are the exception not the rule. Our list is youthful and strong - we don't need to squander picks in desperation. No way should we go more than one first plus trimmings.

Dangerfield was a free agent and Adelaide accepted that deal because it was better than the free agency compo.

 

[blue shark]

Bolton would be a good addition. Dangerfield at the same age effectively cost Geelong 9 and 28. I would suggest Dangerfield comparatively a more valuable player.
Bolton will be 26 next year and most AFL players don't go much past 30 and if they do they generally are on the decline. Mundys are the exception not the rule. Our list is youthful and strong - we don't need to squander picks in desperation. No way should we go more than one first plus trimmings.

Seems ridiculous that we always pay overs rather than market value.
Rory Lobb kicked 36 goals in 2022, yet we did the deal to the Bulldogs for
I think pick 30 and a future second?
So we have the players to fix the forward line, trade them instead of holding them
to a contract, or even try to talk them out of it.
At that stage we had Amiss who is still only a boy, Tabs with a back injury or some
other ailment and another lad in Treacy.
Sturt, Freddy, Switta, not the finished product and somehow this is not the clubs
fault?
Then you had the forward/mids, without Mundy and we decide to bring in JOM.
Jackson who has a lower output than Lobb, and has to play main ruck due to
Darcy.
You couldn’t make this stuff up, and now the missing piece is Bolton.
Inexperienced or poor management, development is why we are forever
rebuilding or chasing dream trades.

 

[JammoMonty]

You know when your watching Cameron, Stengle, Pickett one out with defender and you just think, yeah, that defender is ****ed? Have you thought about anyone in our team since Ballas? We need another forward threat. Bolton is going to be massive for our transition and forward threat.

Depth is also the easiest position to fill out, half of it is coaching and using players properly.

Cameron, Stengle and Pickett all 700k or less and won’t cost 2x firsts and 1M per year.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

There seems to be a few people on the saints board saying they'll look to cut their losses with collard and trade him out for a third rounder as he obviously doesn't want to be there.

He said bad words though so we won't touch him.

 

[pK75]

Cameron, Stengle and Pickett all 700k or less and won’t cost 2x firsts and 1M per year.

I think the 2x1sts is to get our portion of his salary down to that 7-800k mark, if we’re paying him 1m then it’s only 1st and 27.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

I agree but like Logue we would have had the chance to extend him before the season started on much less coin.

He deserved a multi year extension after the second half of last season in my opinion.

We do enjoy f#$%ing around and inevitably finding out. One offseason where we don't lose a b23 player would be nice.

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

You know when your watching Cameron, Stengle, Pickett one out with defender and you just think, yeah, that defender is ****ed? Have you thought about anyone in our team since Ballas? We need another forward threat. Bolton is going to be massive for our transition and forward threat.

Depth is also the easiest position to fill out, half of it is coaching and using players properly.

Except for when Walker is playing on them. You hardly notice that they are playing.

 

[CapitalA]

Gold Coast have 6,13 and 20
Freo 9,10 and 17
Richmond Bolton and Rioli

Here I go:

GC give 6, 20 get Rioli and 17 left with 13,17 values Rioli at ~8

Freo give 9,10,17 get Bolton, 20 and Richmond’s future 2nd values Bolton at ~4

Richmond give Bolton, Rioli future 2nd get 6,9,10

Sprinkle all sorts of later round picks or later round future picks around.

We still have a pick in the first round albeit the last one.

The alternative is sub out 10 for our future first, which would clearly be preferred but I think Tigers will go hard at 9 and 10.

Maybe swap 17 with our future first.

Thoughts?

For us - it means giving up 9 and 10. A 3 pick downgrade late in the first round. Getting Bolton and Richmond’s future 2nd.

Yuck.