List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Demon 16]

I think that's why I think it is a fake ITK. That line was unnecessary in this context. He added that line to get credibility

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Hi Vimal Anand.

I come in peace.

I’ve got limited interest in drumming up something from earlier, but I just wanted to let you know that firstly, I suffer from from mental health issues personally. Nothing heavy and I’m not seeking sympathy - I have some general anxiety issues and panic disorder. I take medication but I’m functioning fine in life. It’s got a lot better as I’ve got older. Point here is that I’m very well qualified to understand and empathise with mental health issues and I think I know what is appropriate and not appropriate to put into a forum about someone else in this area.

Secondly, the ITK post that I made was related to a presentation made by a senior figure in the MFC. It was a smallish coterie style group, so I don’t think I’ve betrayed any serious trust there. I also have various friends at the club and broader AFL industry that tell me some interesting things at times and I assure you they don’t all make it onto bigfooty.

The simple fact is that Angus Brayshaw is pretty flat about his career ending and the head knocks have affected him too. I don't think he’d be upset with people understanding that.

Thanks to Scythe94 for the kind words about my posting history too whilst I’m here.

All the best.

 

[FreoRicci]

He was more than fine - he actually had a good season on the wing. People are just blinded by the last month of the year

Just admit Hawthorn wanted a young ruck and needed to dump list/salary of their older players.
Why you think they also traded Mitchell too?
Perfectly fine without them these days.
Would love to know who initiated JOM to Fremantle.. did Hawthorn offer?
Because this club got absolute sucked in. 4 ****ing years of a player that isn’t designed for today’s game.
Instead we gifted Meek on the pretence that a ‘elite, experienced’ player was coming back.

 

[Demon 16]

Good on you for standing up for a mate and I don't know Demon 16 at all but in general I would say if you hear/know that someone is not going well from a mental health POV it is not wise to spread the news. I don't see how it helps anyone but I can see how easily it could add to someone's pain if they are already vulnerable.

Hi DocT.

See my post above. I hope this provides a bit of comfort that my post wasn’t intended as nefarious in any way whatsoever.

 

[s_wd6]

Just admit Hawthorn wanted a young ruck and needed to dump list/salary of their older players.
Why you think they also traded Mitchell too?
Perfectly fine without them these days.
Would love to know who initiated JOM to Fremantle.. did Hawthorn offer?
Because this club got absolute sucked in. 4 ****ing years of a player that isn’t designed for today’s game.
Instead we gifted Meek on the pretence that a ‘elite, experienced’ player was coming back.

Meek was always going to Hawks. JOM or no JOM. He would’ve gone for a third rounder that we wouldn’t have used anyway.

Hawks had to offload them because they ****ed up their rebuild way earlier by bringing them in.

 

[FreoRicci]

Meek was always going to Hawks. JOM or no JOM. He would’ve gone for a third rounder that we wouldn’t have used anyway.

Hawks had to offload them because they ****ed up their rebuild way earlier by bringing them in.

There was no need for JOM. None at all. Brodie into Mindy’s role, and a Johnson or Erasmus on the wing.
But he’s a good bloke and straight into the leadership group.

 

[freoforever94]

Alot of salty people here today

 

[Lach72]

O'Meara hate on here is overdone, he had a rough start to the season but he was fine for the most part.

You know what though? I could do with a bit more than “fine” ya know.

We need more than “fine”.

We need to start blooding the kids who will take us forward…

If it comes down to a choice of Noddy or Erasmus or Jaeger next year, it ain’t Jaeger, sorry…he’s no Isaac Smith type that’s still going along at his age. It’s mostly beige with some uptick every now and then.

 

[s_wd6]

There was no need for JOM. None at all. Brodie into Mindy’s role, and a Johnson or Erasmus on the wing.
But he’s a good bloke and straight into the leadership group.

I’m not disagreeing there. Just that JOM has no impact on Meek getting to Hawks. Meek would’ve been a Hawk even if JOM stayed. Only difference was the difference was us giving them 35 instead of them giving us 40. which I don’t think really mattered looking at the players we drafted that year.

 

[s_wd6]

You know what though? I could do with a bit more than “fine” ya know.

We need more than “fine”.

We need to start blooding the kids who will take us forward…

If it comes down to a choice of Noddy or Erasmus or Jaeger next year, it ain’t Jaeger, sorry…he’s no Isaac Smith type that’s still going along at his age. It’s mostly beige with some uptick every now and then.

Exactly. I have an issue with JOM being “fine” because I’m sure if you prioritised our youth in that role over him they would’ve also given us a “fine” performance this year, except with a massive scope to improve. JOM isn’t getting any better. Waste of a list spot and his leadership on field is basically non existent

 

[FreoRicci]

Exactly. I have an issue with JOM being “fine” because I’m sure if you prioritised our youth in that role over him they would’ve also given us a “fine” performance this year, except with a massive scope to improve. JOM isn’t getting any better. Waste of a list spot and his leadership on field is basically non existent

If his fine meant we’re challenging for the flag this year, sure.
But gee 15 disposals in each of the last 4 games, I’m sure NOD, Erasmus, Johnson would’ve done better.
This production for the next two years? Yeah, no thanks he can go to Peel and be a player coach.

 

[s_wd6]

If his fine meant we’re challenging for the flag this year, sure.
But gee 15 disposals in each of the last 4 games, I’m sure NOD, Erasmus, Johnson would’ve done better.
This production for the next two years? Yeah, no thanks he can go to Peel and be a player coach.

Need to be prioritising NOD over him. Will be furious if next year comes and NOD is gone yet JOM is still somehow a b22 lock

 

[Lach72]

The move now is to fast track Knobel.

If that kid gains a half a yard of pace he’s going to be something.

Would entertain offers for Reidy, so Knobel can play league, because if Darcy’s knee gets worse next year I want Knobel ready for 2026

 

[s_wd6]

The move now is to fast track Knobel.

If that kid gains a half a yard of pace he’s going to be something.

Would entertain offers for Reidy, so Knobel can play league, because if Darcy’s knee gets worse next year I want Knobel ready for 2026

Going off Reidy’s interview in The West the other day looks pretty certain he’s at the club next year

 

[malpaso]

Geez wake the **** up people. English is a crappy ruck, almost every capable ruck in the league tears him apart. Meek is playing well no doubt but he always wanted out as he did not see a way into the team with Darcy here and we had Lobb.
Bunch of hindsight cry babies..

 

[s_wd6]

Will say I liked it a lot more when there were no finals games being played and we were getting Pickett and Bolton that was quite fun

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Really? One brother Ashton is 18 and has been playing WAFL colts this year. There is another brother Troy who is 15. Isn't he at Aquinas still? Are you saying his parents have moved to Victoria with the 15 year old and left their 18 year old kid by himself in Perth? I just assumed the parents and 2 youngest brothers were all in Perth.

His dad works in Victoria and that's where the parents spend most of their time. I said including his parents for a reason eg not his whole diret family. Its also he case that Warner's extended family live in Victoria and thats where Chad spent his early ears. Im speaking to a friend of his parents in a couple of weeks. Pretty sure the younger bros are boarders.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

Macdonald would be the logical one to move to the rookie list if you are wanting an extra main list spot.

We played with the maximum rookies last year so delisting 2 of Keuk, Stanley or Jones frees up two spots.

 

[Sherriff Incorporated]

He was more than fine - he actually had a good season on the wing. People are just blinded by the last month of the year

He looked injured in the Port game. His man was running off him massively. I think we were playing too many sore or injured players late in the year.

 

[Purple Suit]

Because as one of our experienced leaders he should have been standing up in those games. Instead he was piss poor and that is being kind. He showed he is nothing more than a downhill skier.

He stood up in the 2nd Derby and swung the game. Hard to impact every week playing a wing, especially if you get beaten in the middle.

He’s been solid without being a world beater. We got him to replace Mundy after losing 5 old heads, it was a reasonable move for our list profile to try and balance the 2022 age shift.

I think shouldn’t be gifted games anymore. The best team is selected every week and you should only have two bad games in a row before being replaced if replacements are performing at Peel.

 

[FreoMatt]

Ok so based on the last few days posts, a complete list of those who we could possibly
a) trade and b) cut is something like:

TRADE

• erasmus
• brodie (if we can)
• NOD?

CUT
Definites:

• corbett
• hughes
• taberner

Probables:

• walters?
• stanley

Possibles to sacrifice if need list space:

• reidy?
• emmett?
• kuek?
• delean?
• worner?
• murphy?
• williams?
• jones?
• knobel?
• NOD?

Anyone else you can think of? Or who should not be on that list?

In terms of list spaces in 2025, far more likely than not someone we dont want to lose will want to go home “for personal reasons”. (Heh, bolton possibility means we cant complain.). Reasonable to include this extra list spot when planning who and how many to bring in and cut for next season.

You can’t cut Walters, Worner, Murphy or Delean as they are all contracted for 2025


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[FreoMatt]

Based on that information:
Emmett delisted and rookie listed
Delean delisted

Delean has a contract for next year


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[freo1997]

You can’t cut Walters, Worner, Murphy or Delean as they are all contracted for 2025


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Yeah, You can pay them out or the two parties mutually come to the decision to pay half of the remaining salary which we would of done with Jack Anthony and Sylvia back in the day. Eagles cut their Langdon with a year to go. Happens now and then.

 

[DQ 4EVER]

There was no need for JOM. None at all. Brodie into Mindy’s role, and a Johnson or Erasmus on the wing.
But he’s a good bloke and straight into the leadership group.

Brodie into Mindy's role is fair enough, but who replaces Mork?

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[Lach72]

If we snag Bolton and Warner, I’d leave Baker to west Coast and take Joe Richards instead. Cheaper in salary and more of a need

 

[Joao]

If we snag Bolton and Warner, I’d leave Baker to west Coast and take Joe Richards instead. Cheaper in salary and more of a need

We don't need Richards if Switta stays. He can just be a pure pressure forward since Bolton and Warner are far better mid rotations.