List Mgmt. 2024 List Management thread - Trade Targets Part 2

[Snuffaluphagus]

List management discussion point if we can be objective. Do we think the days of 3 talls up front are done? Is the ideal (and other methods can be varying levels of successful) one genuine clunking tall (Treacy), a mobile hybrid tall (Amiss), a medium and then a fleet of fast running smalls?

If you are confident the three works as much because of what having Jackson as 2nd ruck should be doing in the middle (average year notwithstanding), does Sturt provide enough pace, pressure and ball movement to hold his spot in the future?

Basically, the more I watch of these finals (and even previous years), the more I think the 3 talls and a medium may not be sustainable, particularly because I think Bolton almost is a medium with his leap and marling ability.

 

[Dayts]

Absolutely!
Sturt is surplus to our F6 if we add Shai.
Not good below the knees and not really an aerial target. Plus Young is going to rest forward. He can get play the 3rd
He and Freddy to battle out for the same place. And id prefer Freddy

 

[Superkoops]

List management discussion point if we can be objective. Do we think the days of 3 talls up front are done? Is the ideal (and other methods can be varying levels of successful) one genuine clunking tall (Treacy), a mobile hybrid tall (Amiss), a medium and then a fleet of fast running smalls?

If you are confident the three works as much because of what having Jackson as 2nd ruck should be doing in the middle (average year notwithstanding), does Sturt provide enough pace, pressure and ball movement to hold his spot in the future?

Basically, the more I watch of these finals (and even previous years), the more I think the 3 talls and a medium may not be sustainable, particularly because I think Bolton almost is a medium with his leap and marling ability.

Depends on the three talls. Both Amiss and Jackson (when fully fit) are agile and good at ground level.

I guess with Jackson he would just spend some cameo’s down forward as part of rotations. He would relieve Darcy when Darcy needs a rest but his best work would be as the old ruck rover style.

Amiss, Treacy, Sturt/Banfield and a bunch of pressure forwards working their butt off to keep the ball in the forward line.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Depends on the three talls. Both Amiss and Jackson (when fully fit) are agile and good at ground level.

I guess with Jackson he would just spend some cameo’s down forward as part of rotations. He would relieve Darcy when Darcy needs a rest but his best work would be as the old ruck rover style.

Amiss, Treacy, Sturt/Banfield and a bunch of pressure forwards working their butt off to keep the ball in the forward line.

So on your last point, do you think having Jackson, Amiss, Treacy and Sturt as starting forwards can be successful in September or do you think it's unbalanced and not enough pressure / smalls?

 

[s_wd6]

So on your last point, do you think having Jackson, Amiss, Treacy and Sturt as starting forwards can be successful in September or do you think it's unbalanced and not enough pressure / smalls?

I think it can work, but I think there's a bigger likelihood of a different combination working a lot better.

There were games where our forward line looked really good with those guys in it, but at no point did we have good smalls to complement them. So I don't think you can come to any conclusions until we see what it looks like with decent smalls.

 

[arsesmart]

So on your last point, do you think having Jackson, Amiss, Treacy and Sturt as starting forwards can be successful in September or do you think it's unbalanced and not enough pressure / smalls?

I definitely do. It's all about the right plan. But they've all got a tonne of development left in them. Just need more attack from the wings and the mids to rack up a few more goals. Again, potentially, Bolton's a great addition and with more development in O'Driscoll as a mid, plus Young... that'll help in that department.

Jackson is just so mobile, he's a perfect third tall/part time ruck.

 

[Patty_Moz]

Straightforward? Yes and no.

Kuek is one of a few tricky ones. They've persevered with him as a longer term investment for a few years now, sunk cost fallacy or hold for more return this year?...it'd be one for summing up.

O'Driscoll's signature value could be tricky if he took to the idea of walking out on a club that had supported him so much through injury.

Emmett has shown enough glimpses as a second year player to give at least another year. Good trade presents itself, it might be take and run.

Jones needs more time. A single season on a list ain't generally in the cut table range. He's definitely up for at least one more year your think.

I really don’t see the Kuek decision as a tough one. 24y/o next season, never played a game, no chance of being promoted to the senior list, very lightly built as an afl player and coming back from an ACL. One of him or Jones should go but due to age/size/ACL I prefer Jones but honestly if both go, no dramas.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think it can work, but I think there's a bigger likelihood of a different combination working a lot better.

There were games where our forward line looked really good with those guys in it, but at no point did we have good smalls to complement them. So I don't think you can come to any conclusions until we see what it looks like with decent smalls.

We can take it further and tie it in with the club clearly chasing Warner very hard while getting Bolton at the same time. Incredibly, the defensive balance isn't there and there's only 22 spots on a field. While Bolton/Warner/Brayshaw/Young/Serong is mouthwatering on paper, you need a support mid to do the dirty work, every top team has them, which means basically every one of those names needs to have a 2nd position making best 22 spots even harder to come by.

 

[arsesmart]

I really don’t see the Kuek decision as a tough one. 24y/o next season, never played a game, no chance of being promoted to the senior list, very lightly built as an afl player and coming back from an ACL. One of him or Jones should go but due to age/size/ACL I prefer Jones but honestly if both go, no dramas.

I think the coaches really want Kuek to succeed. The upside could be so dazzling.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I definitely do. It's all about the right plan. But they've all got a tonne of development left in them. Just need more attack from the wings and the mids to rack up a few more goals. Again, potentially, Bolton's a great addition and with more development in O'Driscoll as a mid, plus Young... that'll help in that department.

Jackson is just so mobile, he's a perfect third tall/part time ruck.

I agree on Jackson but I think once you have all 4 of those names, you are possibly not getting enough pressure and speed for the modern game. Sturt, Treacy and Jackson are fine for their size, but fine for their size isn't the same as elite small pests

 

[s_wd6]

We can take it further and tie it in with the club clearly chasing Warner very hard while getting Bolton at the same time. Incredibly, the defensive balance isn't there and there's only 22 spots on a field. While Bolton/Warner/Brayshaw/Young/Serong is mouthwatering on paper, you need a support mid to do the dirty work, every top team has them, which means basically every one of those names needs to have 2nd position making best 22 spots even hard to come by.

Why I'd prioritise getting Pickett over Warner. Warner is a luxury. Pickett is a need.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This is all also to say just how much better Pickett and one of Bolton/Warner would be than both of the later. The Pickett stuff seems genuine, it means to me, the club has to do what they didn't do with Hogan and say sorry Chad, we've had to pivot. It's really hard to do but the club would be better off

 

[arsesmart]

I agree on Jackson but I think once you have all 4 of those names, you are possibly not getting enough pressure and speed for the modern game. Sturt, Treacy and Jackson are fine for their size, but fine for their size isn't the same as elite small pests

Sturt is working on his defensive pressure. He's quick enough and a bonus with his surety before the goals. Treacy scares the crap out of defenders and I would love Voss as super-sub swingman option.

But yes one of two more swarming mid-small forwards wouldn't go astray. Freddy could offer a little more defensively, but I'm not sure that's in his brief.

 

[arsesmart]

Why I'd prioritise getting Pickett over Warner. Warner is a luxury. Pickett is a need.

With Warner though there could be more (quality/rapid transition) i50s, which brings pressure of a different kind, but more pressure nonetheless.

 

[Lach72]

We can take it further and tie it in with the club clearly chasing Warner very hard while getting Bolton at the same time. Incredibly, the defensive balance isn't there and there's only 22 spots on a field. While Bolton/Warner/Brayshaw/Young/Serong is mouthwatering on paper, you need a support mid to do the dirty work, every top team has them, which means basically every one of those names needs to have a 2nd position making best 22 spots even harder to come by.

Brayshaw becomes that mid.

He has the discipline and the tank and the speed, and is probably the most iffy by foot.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Brayshaw becomes that mid.

He has the discipline and the tank and the speed, and is probably the most iffy by foot.

That's an expensive support mid...

 

[arsesmart]

Brayshaw becomes that mid.

He has the discipline and the tank and the speed, and is probably the most iffy by foot.

Brayshaw was the everything-mid this year. Defensively, attacking transitions, taking on the tackler with so much run. He offered so much.

 

[Lach72]

This is all also to say just how much better Pickett and one of Bolton/Warner would be than both of the later. The Pickett stuff seems genuine, it means to me, the club has to do what they didn't do with Hogan and say sorry Chad, we've had to pivot. It's really hard to do but the club would be better off

Nope. I’m taking 30+ midifield goals and the chutzpah, to be frank, everyday of the week.

I still think a lot about his grand final when he was THE ONLY Swan to stand up while they got absolutely fisted with a barb wire pole.

29 disposals, 2 goals 6 tackles at 20 years old

No way I’m passing that up

 

[Lach72]

That's an expensive support mid...

And?

Makes us better, he can attack the other way, he never gives up.

 

[s_wd6]

Nope. I’m taking 30+ midifield goals and the chutzpah, to be frank, everyday of the week.

I still think a lot about his grand final when he was THE ONLY Swan to stand up while they got absolutely fisted with a barb wire pole.

29 disposals, 2 goals 6 tackles at 20 years old

No way I’m passing that up

Yeah I doubt he gets even close to 30 playing for us

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Nope. I’m taking 30+ midifield goals and the chutzpah, to be frank, everyday of the week.

I still think a lot about his grand final when he was THE ONLY Swan to stand up while they got absolutely fisted with a barb wire pole.

29 disposals, 2 goals 6 tackles at 20 years old

No way I’m passing that up

If I could I'd go Warner/Pickett but that doesn't seem an option

 

[Lach72]

Yeah I doubt he gets even close to 30 playing for us

Then the coach gets sacked

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

And?

Makes us better, he can attack the other way, he never gives up.

Capspace is a limited resource

 

[Lach72]

Capspace is a limited resource

Well, we’re not trading Andy and we’re going for Bolton and Warner so maybe it’s not a problem, and if Brayshaw is playing defensive mid im a lot happier than say…Banfield….

 

[Rockmelon]

I’d be telling Sturt to study old Chris Mayne tapes. Has the speed to be a pressure beast but needs the aggression