List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[HoraceStrasbork]

The picks move up and the points increase.

Would make more sense if those picks used to match bids were just extinguished and all picks maintained their value. The moving up scenario would be preserved as the matched picks are voided

 

[Lings of Geelong]

They won't have the list spots to do a swap like that before matching the Ashcroft bid. So it's about what's left over after they match. If the bid is late enough 43 might be available as a swap, but more likely 49 is the best left.

If we could trade 60 +66 back to them to get 49, that'd make sense, but I don't think you can do that?

 

[Jen2310]

Since Bids were mentioned..

WHERE THE BIDS ARE SET TO COME​

Reigning premier Brisbane is set to avoid paying top dollar for father-son gun Levi Ashcroft, with Richmond looking increasingly unlikely to place a bid on the midfielder at No. 1 in this month’s national draft.

If North Melbourne keeps hold of pick 2, a bid on Ashcroft may be left to Carlton at pick 3 — saving the Lions a significant number of draft points.

Brisbane would have to stump up 2,400 points (after a 20 per cent discount) to match a bid on Ashcroft at pick 1, but a bid at pick 3 would only cost it 1787 points.

It could be the difference between heading into next year with a points deficit or not, given the Lions will also need to match a bid on Academy member Sam Marshall around pick 20.
Clubs expect two other bids to be placed on Academy members within the top-10 selections on draft night, with St Kilda favoured to bid on Gold Coast Suns Academy member Leo Lombard with one of its first two selections.

The Saints (picks 7 and 8) and Melbourne (pick 9) have also been linked to placing an early bid on Essendon Next Generation Academy (NGA) member Isaac Kako.

Carlton will be sweating on whether a bid comes for father-son Ben Camporeale before its second selection at No. 38, with recruiters having the South Australian midfielder either just before or just after that pick on their draft boards.

Twin brother Lucas is expected to come into play later in the order.

St Kilda NGA member Adrian Cole is considered likely to attract a bid in the late 30s or early 40s, after St Kilda’s third selection which currently stands at No. 32.
Giants Academy ruckman Logan Smith is also set to come into calculations at that range, with a bid in the 30s considered a good chance.

Some clubs believe Sydney Swans Academy defender Joel Cochran could attract a bid anywhere from pick 25 onwards, with one scout saying the Swans had done “a good job of hiding him away”.

Cochran won the 2km time trial at the national draft combine last month.

Another St Kilda NGA member, defender Lennox Hofmann, is expected to receive a bid later in the draft, while Hawthorn NGA midfielder Cody Anderson is also said to have “lots of fans” from about pick 45 onwards.

Adelaide father-son prospect Tyler Welsh has attracted little interest, despite scouts recognising the marking forward’s potential.

The Crows are therefore likely to be able to secure Welsh — the son of former Adelaide goalkicker Scott — with their second and final pick in the draft, which currently sits at No. 64.

North Melbourne should be able to secure River Stevens — the son of two-time premiership player Anthony — as a rookie.

 

[Apex36]

exactly, most NGA's slide.
Can only think of Jamara who went around where he was expected. Alot of other academy kids have slid further back than even roughly where they were expected to go.

lol you’re completely missing the point, this has nothing to do with NGA, just player ratings in general, and there have been NGA’s bid on earlier than expected in the past, just not the top tier ones.

Essendons recruiting dept would be well and truly on top of where a bid is expected to fall for Kako, and they traded out their first pick because of it. If you’re expecting him to get bid on later it’s pretty likely you’re setting yourself up for disappointment.

Take a leaf out of the superannuation disclaimer leaflet in regards to bids. Past performance is not an accurate indicator of future performance

 

[sr36]

You'd hope there is some good plan, because if we have to trade all our 50's picks just to move 3 spots, seems a bit extreme.

Don't worry about it Jen. Whatever they do will be about maximising our chances of getting players.

If there's a Hine smokie - someone we like who we think makes it through to the end of the draft, we can trade 3 of them to slightly improve our position for 2 picks without it costing us. Likewise if we plan to only take 2 in the draft.

The reality is we're no chance of trading up far. It'll just be a few spots - or nowhere at all.

 

[Jen2310]

Don't worry about it Jen. Whatever they do will be about maximising our chances of getting players.

If there's a Hine smokie - someone we like who we think makes it through to the end of the draft, we can trade 3 of them to slightly improve our position for 2 picks without it costing us. Likewise if we plan to only take 2 in the draft.

The reality is we're no chance of trading up far. It'll just be a few spots - or nowhere at all.

Yeah, surely they know what they are doing and some sort of plan here. Otherwise could have just stuck with the picks we had, given they were all close together.

 

[JuniorB]

You're really not showing your namesake's wisdom here. No one knows when a bid will come, but it goes without saying that Essendon traded out 9 because there's a distinct possibility that a bid comes before that pick.

It doesn't matter where Twomey or the big footy consensus rates him, it's where the clubs with the early picks rate him. Essendon clearly know that at least one of those clubs choosing before 9 rates him really highly, otherwise they wouldn't have traded that pick.

St Kilda?

 

[sr36]

Yeah, surely they know what they are doing and some sort of plan here. Otherwise could have just stuck with the picks we had, given they were all close together.

So many picks before and inbetween our picks will disappear that lots of gaps will shrink.

We've just traded down from 58 to 60, but 58 and 59 are now held by teams likely to use them to match, so 60 is likely to revert back to being the same pick as 58. So it may just have been to get an extra pick that might help us to move up.

I suspect a deal for 49 is locked in though. It just looks like something that suits both parties with us being perfectly placed for it. Who knows what it'll cost. If a bid comes later for Ashcroft 43 a possibility too.

 

[sr36]

St Kilda?

That's the rumour

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Yeah, surely they know what they are doing and some sort of plan here. Otherwise could have just stuck with the picks we had, given they were all close together.

They've done it for a reason. It's not in their favour to reveal publicly what that is. We haven't put a foot wrong in the trade period, no reason to think we're not being smart here too.

 

[Mollythedolly]

So who we taking with our 4 picks?

1 don’t know
2 don’t know
3 don’t know
4 Markov (rookie draft)
5 AJ (rookie draft)

 

[Mick F]

Since Bids were mentioned..

WHERE THE BIDS ARE SET TO COME​

Reigning premier Brisbane is set to avoid paying top dollar for father-son gun Levi Ashcroft, with Richmond looking increasingly unlikely to place a bid on the midfielder at No. 1 in this month’s national draft.

If North Melbourne keeps hold of pick 2, a bid on Ashcroft may be left to Carlton at pick 3 — saving the Lions a significant number of draft points.

Brisbane would have to stump up 2,400 points (after a 20 per cent discount) to match a bid on Ashcroft at pick 1, but a bid at pick 3 would only cost it 1787 points.

It could be the difference between heading into next year with a points deficit or not, given the Lions will also need to match a bid on Academy member Sam Marshall around pick 20.
Clubs expect two other bids to be placed on Academy members within the top-10 selections on draft night, with St Kilda favoured to bid on Gold Coast Suns Academy member Leo Lombard with one of its first two selections.

The Saints (picks 7 and 8) and Melbourne (pick 9) have also been linked to placing an early bid on Essendon Next Generation Academy (NGA) member Isaac Kako.

Carlton will be sweating on whether a bid comes for father-son Ben Camporeale before its second selection at No. 38, with recruiters having the South Australian midfielder either just before or just after that pick on their draft boards.

Twin brother Lucas is expected to come into play later in the order.

St Kilda NGA member Adrian Cole is considered likely to attract a bid in the late 30s or early 40s, after St Kilda’s third selection which currently stands at No. 32.
Giants Academy ruckman Logan Smith is also set to come into calculations at that range, with a bid in the 30s considered a good chance.

Some clubs believe Sydney Swans Academy defender Joel Cochran could attract a bid anywhere from pick 25 onwards, with one scout saying the Swans had done “a good job of hiding him away”.

Cochran won the 2km time trial at the national draft combine last month.

Another St Kilda NGA member, defender Lennox Hofmann, is expected to receive a bid later in the draft, while Hawthorn NGA midfielder Cody Anderson is also said to have “lots of fans” from about pick 45 onwards.

Adelaide father-son prospect Tyler Welsh has attracted little interest, despite scouts recognising the marking forward’s potential.

The Crows are therefore likely to be able to secure Welsh — the son of former Adelaide goalkicker Scott — with their second and final pick in the draft, which currently sits at No. 64.

North Melbourne should be able to secure River Stevens — the son of two-time premiership player Anthony — as a rookie.

Hopefully River is going well with his studies.

 

[Mollythedolly]

You would find history suggests that NGA and even father/sons often go later than most expect. I think only Jamara (at pick 1) was held to account. Even your own Nick Daicos was quite easily in the top 2 players of his draft year went at 4 despite every tom, dick, harry and the pool cleaners dog knowing full well you would match.

Kako has been projected to be a mid teens selections, missed a big patch at the back end of the year and has somehow grown in nature. Blows my mind.


Apart from the "**** Essendon" argument, there is genuinely no feasible explanation why clubs are bidding on Kako inside 10

Richmond at 10 or 11 it is then.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Hopefully River is going well with his studies.

Hopefully he hasn't pushed back the envelope.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Hopefully he hasn't pushed back the envelope.

Drank the slab the boss got drunk.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Drank the slab the Bon Scott got drunk.

FTFY

 

[magpies42]

Are picks draftable in the Rookie draft?

Any way we could move ahead of St Kilda, for example, to snag Brad Crouch?

I realise it would be unforgivably bad form... but we could always offer them AJ and/or Oleg in recompense

Why would we do that. He’s a nothing player, yes he can accumulate the ball but he seldom does anything with it. Would prefer we develop somebody else with any potential game time that would go his way.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Are picks draftable in the Rookie draft?

Any way we could move ahead of St Kilda, for example, to snag Brad Crouch?

I realise it would be unforgivably bad form... but we could always offer them AJ and/or Oleg in recompense

This Brad Crouch?

AFL veteran ‘appears to start new job’ before retirement

The 30-year-old is still contracted for next year, but may have played his final game.

7news.com.au

 

[Jen2310]

This Brad Crouch?

AFL veteran ‘appears to start new job’ before retirement

The 30-year-old is still contracted for next year, but may have played his final game.

7news.com.au

From what I read, he was at the stages of that degrenerative knee issue that forced Langdon to retire.

 

[Fat Jesus]

This Brad Crouch?

AFL veteran ‘appears to start new job’ before retirement

The 30-year-old is still contracted for next year, but may have played his final game.

7news.com.au

I personally know the Crouch family. I wouldn't pick either of the brothers.
Overrated hacks

 

[jmac70]

I personally know the Crouch family. I wouldn't pick either of the brothers.
Overrated hacks

Is there anyone in the AFL you don’t know?

 

[Fat Jesus]

Is there anyone in the AFL you don’t know?

I know heaps of players and families. No big deal if you are Fat Jesus.
Crouch family are nice people but I've never rated their sons.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

I personally know the Crouch family. I wouldn't pick either of the brothers.
Overrated hacks

I don't know any of the Crouch family from a bar of soap, but I do know I don't want one with a degenerative knee problem, is over 30 & still has a year to run on his contract which Saints are more than willing to pay out.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I don't know any of the Crouch family from a bar of soap, but I do know I don't want one with a degenerative knee problem, is over 30 & still has a year to run on his contract which Saints are more than willing to pay out.

Beautiful family but the two brothers are massively overrated. Steer clear.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Beautiful family but the two brothers are massively overrated. Steer clear.

Obviously we're not interested in Brad or his brother. I don't know why anyone brought his name up.