List Mgmt. 2024 National Draft - November 20-21

[Jen2310]

 

[sr36]

Nah, we’d be given end of draft picks so we could still make our 3 selections.

Well be taking 5 picks in anyway - the fifth one very late.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Well be taking 5 picks in anyway - the fifth one very late.

Yes, but the plan is to pass on the last two picks we have to create two rookie list spots, which we then use to draft Johnson/Markov.

 

[sr36]

Yes, but the plan is to pass on the last two picks we have to create two rookie list spots, which we then use to draft Johnson/Markov.

I know, but the discussion was around being given new picks if we trade a couple out.

 

[RobJD]

I know, but the discussion was around being given new picks if we trade a couple out.

We wouldn't be given new picks, they're already allocated, it's just that they don't have any points attached to them.

 

[sr36]

We wouldn't be given new picks, they're already allocated, it's just that they don't have any points attached to them.

The later ones are gone when you enter the draft, so they do issue new picks at the end of the draft if a team trades theirs out and still has list spots. Very unlikely for us though.

 

[RobJD]

The later ones are gone when you enter the draft, so they do issue new picks at the end of the draft if a team trades theirs out and still has list spots. Very unlikely for us though.

Thanks for that, I thought that they simply maintained their order as allocated and as teams either burnt picks by matching or started passing they move up the order - assuming new picks are added according to finishing position, it's the same outcome

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Very unlikely for us though.

It's not unlikely at all for us if we trade all 4 of our picks that have points to Brisbane for their single highest pick remaining after matching an Ashcroft pick, which I think will probably happen.

 

[sr36]

Thanks for that, I thought that they simply maintained their order as allocated and as teams either burnt picks by matching or started passing they move up the order - assuming new picks are added according to finishing position, it's the same outcome

Extremely similar outcome, but a slight reshuffle of really late picks. Eg. The last pick we take in is currently in the 80s. There are teams who will have picks in the 60s and 70s wiped due to not enough list spots - if they need to be issued new picks due to trading, it'll be after our pick in the 80s.

 

[celestial]

It's not unlikely at all for us if we trade all 4 of our picks that have points to Brisbane for their single highest pick remaining after matching an Ashcroft pick, which I think will probably happen.

If they have 43 available, we only need to trade our first two picks.

 

[sr36]

It's not unlikely at all for us if we trade all 4 of our picks that have points to Brisbane for their single highest pick remaining after matching an Ashcroft pick, which I think will probably happen.

Last year I think GC split picks straight away before matching Walter. So if true you must be able to hold more picks than list spots once the draft is underway - kind of defeats the purpose of only taking in the number of picks you have list spots, but thats the AFL. If you can, Brisbane will be trading picks down the moment the draft opens and will already have some of them lined up. If so, I'm hoping it's 52 and 55 for 43. 60 and 66 will move forward a lot with lots of picks disappearing in matching and we might end up doing something with them too.

So you're right, we might end up trading out and needing a new pick.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

So if true you must be able to hold more picks than list spots once the draft is underway... If you can, Brisbane will be trading picks down the moment the draft opens

If that's the case, the four picks we're currently holding are more points than the 34 that they hold. Could be a deal in conjunction with the one we made last week.

 

[sr36]

If that's the case, the four picks we're currently holding are more points than the 34 that they hold. Could be a deal in conjunction with the one we made last week.

I think we've probably already done a deal with them, but doubt we get that high. Everyone will be trying to move late picks higher and 34 is likely to go for more points than we hold.

 

[Jen2310]

Pick 47. (Collingwood) – Thomas Sims
Northern Knights/Vic Metro – FWD, 199cm
Collingwood’s search for a key forward will lead them straight to Tom Sims, who made his forward presence felt through his contested marking capability and leading patterns inside 50, with a downside of inconsistency hitting the scoreboard.


Pick 50. (Collingwood) – Charlie Nicholls
Central District/South Australia – FWD, 197cm
The tall forward moves extremely well for his height, able to get into great spots with his leading patterns inside 50, and the ability to push higher up the ground and make use of his kicking in transition.


Pick 54. (Collingwood) – Hugh Boxshall
Claremont/Western Australia – MID, 188cm
Boxshall has generated some good interest off the back of strong combine testing, presenting well as an endurance-based midfield with some spark around the stoppage, and a tough body with his tackling pressure.


Pick 58. (Collingwood) – Sam Toner
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country – FWD, 184cm
The Narre-Warren local came into contention with a plethora of goal-scoring performances at local level, seeing him get the invite to Dandenong, where he turned it on yet again with a bag of five goals early in his Talent League career. Injury unfortunately brought an early end to 2024, but his upside is quite evident.

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We won't pick 4 players though

 

[Matt_352]

Pick 47. (Collingwood) – Thomas Sims
Northern Knights/Vic Metro – FWD, 199cm
Collingwood’s search for a key forward will lead them straight to Tom Sims, who made his forward presence felt through his contested marking capability and leading patterns inside 50, with a downside of inconsistency hitting the scoreboard.


Pick 50. (Collingwood) – Charlie Nicholls
Central District/South Australia – FWD, 197cm
The tall forward moves extremely well for his height, able to get into great spots with his leading patterns inside 50, and the ability to push higher up the ground and make use of his kicking in transition.


Pick 54. (Collingwood) – Hugh Boxshall
Claremont/Western Australia – MID, 188cm
Boxshall has generated some good interest off the back of strong combine testing, presenting well as an endurance-based midfield with some spark around the stoppage, and a tough body with his tackling pressure.


Pick 58. (Collingwood) – Sam Toner
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country – FWD, 184cm
The Narre-Warren local came into contention with a plethora of goal-scoring performances at local level, seeing him get the invite to Dandenong, where he turned it on yet again with a bag of five goals early in his Talent League career. Injury unfortunately brought an early end to 2024, but his upside is quite evident.

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We won't pick 4 players though

Key Def is also a bigger need than Key Fwd as well so no key defenders in our picks would be ridiculous

 

[Jen2310]

Key Def is also a bigger need than Key Fwd as well so no key defenders in our picks would be ridiculous

Surely we wouldn't go for 2 key forwards. One forward, one def seems better.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Key Def is also a bigger need than Key Fwd as well so no key defenders in our picks would be ridiculous

Nicholls definitely has potential to make the switch to defense. With 18yo KP prospects, their current position isn't massively relevant as long as they have the attributes to make the switch.

 

[Stuart1966]

Surely we wouldn't go for 2 key forwards. One forward, one def seems better.

Charlie Nicholls can play key forward and key back did so on a number of occasions during the season

 

[Jen2310]

Charlie Nicholls can play key forward and key back did so on a number of occasions during the season

That's a good point.

If we can manage both Sims and Nicholls with our picks, that would be an achievement.

 

[sr36]

Surely we wouldn't go for 2 key forwards. One forward, one def seems better.

If you're trying to recruit an AFL standard kpf with late picks you'd expect to need more than one shot at it.

 

[manicpie]

If you're trying to recruit an AFL standard kpf with late picks you'd expect to need more than one shot at it.

You know us, the forward will become a defender and the defender will become a forward

 

[Couch Coach]

Pick 47. (Collingwood) – Thomas Sims
Northern Knights/Vic Metro – FWD, 199cm
Collingwood’s search for a key forward will lead them straight to Tom Sims, who made his forward presence felt through his contested marking capability and leading patterns inside 50, with a downside of inconsistency hitting the scoreboard.


Pick 50. (Collingwood) – Charlie Nicholls
Central District/South Australia – FWD, 197cm
The tall forward moves extremely well for his height, able to get into great spots with his leading patterns inside 50, and the ability to push higher up the ground and make use of his kicking in transition.


Pick 54. (Collingwood) – Hugh Boxshall
Claremont/Western Australia – MID, 188cm
Boxshall has generated some good interest off the back of strong combine testing, presenting well as an endurance-based midfield with some spark around the stoppage, and a tough body with his tackling pressure.


Pick 58. (Collingwood) – Sam Toner
Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country – FWD, 184cm
The Narre-Warren local came into contention with a plethora of goal-scoring performances at local level, seeing him get the invite to Dandenong, where he turned it on yet again with a bag of five goals early in his Talent League career. Injury unfortunately brought an early end to 2024, but his upside is quite evident.

SEN's 2024 AFL full Phantom Draft

Draft expert Nathan Sepe makes his predictions for every selection in the 2024 AFL National Draft.

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We won't pick 4 players though

Ascroft at Pick 4 .

All the KPD gone by our picks:

• Tauru (12)
• Trainor (18)
• M Whitlock (22)
• Mraz (38)
• O'Farrell (29)
• Barrat (34)
• Cole (33)

I would rather take a risk on Clancy Dennis or Charlie West than smalls

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

See this business with Brisbane is what the delisting of Markov/Johnson was about - Brisbane couldn't use the number of picks that they had because they didn't have list spots for all of them, but once the Ashcroft bid match happens, they'll extinguish a bunch of their picks and be able to take on more of them to match a bid on Marshall.

So we hold onto a couple of extra picks for them, which we can do because we have extra senior list spots from delisting Markov and Johnson, so we can carry those picks into the draft and hold them. Then we send them back to Brisbane once they have the list spots available to actually use the points from those picks, and trade us a pick back in return.

I think it's very clear we're set to move up the order through a trade with Brisbane on draft night.

So we hold the picks for Brisbane and hand them over on draft night.

Eg: Pick swap Brisbane #34 (542 points) traded for Collingwoods #52 (246 points) + #55 (207 points) + #60 (146 points) + #66 (80 points) (total 669 points)
We then use #34 and 2 extra picks later in the draft.

Plus the later picks come in more increasing points and pick 34 goes out more to about pick 38. Making the points difference worth more to Brisbane.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

I know, but the discussion was around being given new picks if we trade a couple out.

We can give Brisbane all out picks for 1 pick and still take 3 picks on draft night. Brisbane's #34 is worth less points wise than our 4 late picks.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

It's not unlikely at all for us if we trade all 4 of our picks that have points to Brisbane for their single highest pick remaining after matching an Ashcroft pick, which I think will probably happen.

We could do it for #34 near the start of draft night to make sure we got #34. Our points are worth more than #34 anyway.

 

[sr36]

So we hold the picks for Brisbane and hand them over on draft night.

Eg: Pick swap Brisbane #34 (542 points) traded for Collingwoods #52 (246 points) + #55 (207 points) + #60 (146 points) + #66 (80 points) (total 669 points)
We then use #34 and 2 extra picks later in the draft.

Plus the later picks come in more increasing points and pick 34 goes out more to about pick 38. Making the points difference worth more to Brisbane.

We're not going to be the only ones trying to trade up, so whilst 34 might be possible it seems unlikely to me. I think their highest ones might get traded down a couple of times to maximise value.