Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

The interesting thing is, by all reports, north were trying to flog off the F1 pick all the way through for Whitlock. What’s strange is that teams were turning it down.
I’m assuming Sydney, Bris, and GWS got the offer, but instead of taking a likely top 6 pick next year, they went with their picks in the 20’s. If Richmond are looked at as geniuses for jumping at it, are Syd, Bris and GWS looked at as poor for not grabbing the offer? Potentially their view is that a pick in the 20’s this year, is worth more than next years top 6.

My major concern is similar to your example. North had this bloke pencilled for top 10, and no other team seemed to.

Love the point you make in your first paragraph, it’s a very interesting thought that, and it has now been added to my ammunition for the boys chat.

Your second paragraph I can’t really agree with, not many clubs had multiple picks in the first round, so for all we know, after the majority of clubs who took only the one pick, after their player Whitlock may have been number 2 on their board, if you get what I mean?

 

[B4Bear]

The interesting thing is, by all reports, north were trying to flog off the F1 pick all the way through for Whitlock. What’s strange is that teams were turning it down.
I’m assuming Sydney, Bris, and GWS got the offer, but instead of taking a likely top 6 pick next year, they went with their picks in the 20’s. If Richmond are looked at as geniuses for jumping at it, are Syd, Bris and GWS looked at as poor for not grabbing the offer? Potentially their view is that a pick in the 20’s this year, is worth more than next years top 6.

My major concern is similar to your example. North had this bloke pencilled for top 10, and no other team seemed to.

Because our need is so much greater than theirs.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

That was yesterday, its done, its today, lets get the other Whitlock!!!!

It’s about time we have another set of brothers loving life, kicking arse and playing for North.

Make it happen Euge!

 

[CURVE]

Club rated Matt at 10. Jack being too 1 dimensional is why we saw took Matt over jack... don't be surprised if we somehow get it aswell

How do we know the club rated Matt at 10?

Surely when we were making our first enquiries with St Kilda about picks 8 and 10 it would have been about trying to draft Tauru, and then with our later enquiries to clubs like West Coast and Giants it would have been with players like Trainor and Armstrong in mind. Like everyone here I'm only speculating, but I don't think Matt really came into the picture until the early to mid 20's when both Trainor and Armstrong were gone and there were only a few "top end talls" left on the table. Our hand was forced, and we had to pay overs to get back in the game.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

How do we know the club rated Matt at 10?

Surely when we were making our first enquiries with St Kilda about picks 8 and 10 it would have been about trying to draft Tauru, and then with our later enquiries to clubs like West Coast and Giants it would have been with players like Trainor and Armstrong in mind. Like everyone here I'm only speculating, but I don't think Matt really came into the picture until the early to mid 20's when both Trainor and Armstrong were gone and there were only a few "top end talls" left on the table. Our hand was forced, and we had to pay overs to get back in the game.

I won't go into my sources but that's around the mark for where we rated Matt (based on all players) and we tried trading for him from around 13-14 up until we finally got a willing party involved. You can assume correctly we tried on Tauru as well but the Saints wanted him.

 

[the big lebowski]

If you were to take this years score lines and add to it to show what improvement North would need.

A 4 goal improvement over every single game would see a total of 8 wins next year. That would put North at 15th and they would have traded away pick 4.

North will need a 7 goal improvement over every single game to see them make the 8 with 13 wins based on 2024 score lines.

That's the reality of the situation.

Not sure any team has leapt into finals with such a big turn around. Any team that has was either a blip year in a finals run (Geelong 2023, Collingwood 2021), or had shown sustained improvement in percentage (Carlton 2022, Brisbane 2018). For example; Brisbane's dramatic 2018 to 2019 turn around was only off the back of a percentage improvement that saw them improve their scoring by an additional 24.27 points per game (combination of for/against improvement).

It’s interesting.

If it’s such a good deal, why did every team in the comp say no?

Reality of the situation is there is a middle ground where we give Richmond pick 8. They give us 19.

Mattlock and 19 and an extra year development for

Pick 8

Most of us would do that

That said, other than hope and assumption, there is nothing to say we improve at all.

 

[DesertRoo]

I won't go into my sources but that's around the mark for where we rated Matt (based on all players) and we tried trading for him from around 13-14 up until we finally got a willing party involved. You can assume correctly we tried on Tauru as well but the Saints wanted him.

I have it on good authority Brady had Bigfooty open when he dropped that trade last night, was genuinely laughing at us,
f that guy...

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I have it on good authority Brady had Bigfooty open when he dropped that trade last night, was genuinely laughing at us,
f that guy...

I heard he slipped away to the toilet with his laptop.

 

[CURVE]

I won't go into my sources but that's around the mark for where we rated Matt (based on all players) and we tried trading for him from around 13-14 up until we finally got a willing party involved. You can assume correctly we tried on Tauru as well but the Saints wanted him.

My sources (I have no issues naming them, tomato and barbeque) tell me he was on a short list of 5 or 6 talls at the start of the draft, but not seriously considered until after the first three (Tauru, Faull and Trainor) were drafted.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

My sources (I have no issues naming them, tomato and barbeque) tell me he was on a short list of 5 or 6 talls at the start of the draft, but not seriously considered until after the first three (Tauru, Faull and Trainor) were drafted.

Ok, I back my sources over yours

Oh wait you said tomato...

 

[LB2Snake]

Their desired big man at pick 27…
Yes, I’m sure he was their first preference. Nothing to see here. No one has ridiculously overpaid. Their is an entire AFL world laughing at our club but it’s all misplaced and the past five years of shit decisions by Brady was all just leading up to this masterstroke to turn things around..

And the CCJ trade was a great one as well, wasn’t it?

See I just don't get this sort of post....what are you 16? You should be gracious. Had a great draft hand, think you've maximised it and let's see what plays out.
I think you could have done even more things with the draft hand you had, but you've still gotta be happy. Instead you are here trolling North fans...it's a little odd

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Se I just don't get this sort of post....what are you 16? You should be gracious. Had a great draft hand, think you've maximised it and let's see what plays out.
I think you could have done even more things with the draft hand you had, but you've still gotta be happy. Instead you are here trolling North fans...it's a little odd

It's confusing but old apollo is a North guy.

 

[DocSholl]

It's confusing but old apollo is a North guy.

He should put the correct logo up then

 

[Harvey Manfrenjensenden]

He'd fit in well around here.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

My major concern is similar to your example. North had this bloke pencilled for top 10, and no other team seemed to.

Just a couple of points around this... we don't know for sure that North had M. Whitlock pencilled in for top 10 just because we were trying to make a trade to every club from pick 10. It's possible, and perhaps quite likely, that we had Tauru, Armstrong, Faull, and maybe even Trainor ahead of Whitlock. So really, he could have been ranked anywhere from 10-14 on our board.

Secondly, it's unknown how many clubs may have also considered Whitlock at around pick 10-14 because many clubs didn't get to make a selection between 10 and 27. For instance, Collingwood, Carlton, Brisbane, Essendon, Gold Coast, Hawthorn, Adelaide, and Geelong had no live pick in this range. StKilda and Melbourne just squeezed in at the top of the range but may well have considered Whitlock at 11 or 12 onwards.

Of the remaining 7 clubs, GWS, Fremantle, and Western Bulldogs are well stocked for young KPFs so it's understandable that they would look elsewhere. West Coast took the best home town boy so that rules them out. Port Adelaide clearly had the hots for the kid they took at 15, having bizarrely traded up to get him despite the fact that everyone knew West Coast was going with Bo Allan. They may well have ranked Whitlock from 16. That means just Richmond and Sydney are the only clubs we can confidently say didn't agree with us on how highly we regard Matt Whitlock.

 

[Newbie Real Talk]

FOS Sheezel McKercher
Xerri LDU Wardlaw


What's there to be upset about?

This is drool worthy. No team will get near that in a couple of years.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Thing is, did any other club have Matt Whitlock in their Top 10? Doesn't look like it. Why would we be right and all the other clubs are wrong?

See above.

 

[ohmygewd]

Actually quite disappointed at not picking up Trainor as on TV that was a North Melbourne family there and when he screamed out Go Tigers, thought he said it with quite a level of frustration from a boy that was a passionate North supporter only 5 mins ago or when his manager said the Tigers will pick at such and such pick.
Oh well, maybe Tigers were always going to buy our F1 but on their terms.

Anyway, onwards to pick 54..

 

[LB2Snake]

It's confusing but old apollo is a North guy.

Didn't even read the name....just sounded like another Richmond flog. Apologies Apollo

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

The club knows LDU is gone and will net us a 2025 first rounder after our natural selection hence the trade last night.

I also had a dream last night that we lost to Port Adelaide in a grand-final 76 to 33.

The club knows LDU is 100% staying. If you want to look for signs, read The daVinci Code.

 

[Lomas]

He'd fit in well around here.

I think he's already here.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

The club knows LDU is 100% staying. If you want to look for signs, read The daVinci Code.

I knew the Knights Templar were behind this!

 

[LB2Snake]

Actually quite disappointed at not picking up Trainor as on TV that was a North Melbourne family there and when he screamed out Go Tigers, thought he said it with quite a level of frustration from a boy that was a passionate North supporter only 5 mins ago or when his manager said the Tigers will pick at such and such pick.
Oh well, maybe Tigers were always going to buy our F1 but on their terms.

Anyway, onwards to pick 54..

I know for a fact Luke was 100% desperate to get to North, but it's now a "soft spot" for North. Tigers are lucky to have him. Kid's a ripper. We would've loved his insane attack on the ball. That's the only reason why he's had concussions.....launches at absolutely everything.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I knew the Knights Templar were behind this!

There's a Sherrin buried under the Al Aqsa Mosque.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Why are wasting your life worrying about what the other clubs think or do?..

I only care about where the NMFC have prioritised our list needs and that they address them, couldn't give a rats ass about the other 17 clubs or their supporters

Strap yourself in brother, LDU, Sheez, Kerch, Warden, FOS and co are going to be a joy to watch!

Now everybody say this out loud: SHERM SHERM SHERM SHERM SHERM!