Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

[Hearts to hearts]

Alright, fess up:

Hope his wife is ok. That’s horrible.

 

[Rooboy53]

Now lets swap our future 2nd for the tigers pick 28 and their future 3rd.
Pick up the other Whitlock and death ride the tigers to oblivion...

Not happening....Pick 28 if traded will be for a future first from somewhere we would need to add the F3 for any of 28-30

Everybody is looking for reasonable, you are overpaying if you want in we proved that its as simple as that.

 

[Carey4life]

There are two mutually exclusive questions here: (1) was pick 1 for pick 27 and Richmonds future 2nd round pick an optimal trade; and, (2) is Matt Whitlock a steal at pick 27.

I think it's irrelevant if we rate Whitlock at #10, as the market price was #27 and perhaps even later before we paid up.

I'm going to reserve full judgement on the first portion until after tonight, although the issue is that they could have optimised this trading a lot better.

Its interesting that people are speaking about second rounders being with a lot more next year with changes to bidding rules. That is only true if we don't trade either of the picks back into this year's "super draft".

BUT, we also can't delude ourselves into thinking late first round/early second round picks are worth more this year due to a strong draft, but also worth more next year due to changes in bidding rules. Nor can we say pick 27 was worth more given the super draft, but the pick 29 we gave away for Daniel was speculative at best.

None of it seems to make relative sense. Someone at North is a bad poker player ...

 

[krakouers]

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[The Nostradamus]

There are two mutually exclusive questions here: (1) was pick 1 for pick 27 and Richmonds future 2nd round pick an optimal trade; and, (2) is Matt Whitlock a steal at pick 27.

I think it's irrelevant if we rate Whitlock at #10, as the market price was #27 and perhaps even later before we paid up.

I'm going to reserve full judgement on the first portion until after tonight, although the issue is that they could have optimised this trading a lot better.

Its interesting that people are speaking about second rounders being with a lot more next year with changes to bidding rules. That is only true if we don't trade either of the picks back into this year's "super draft".

BUT, we also can't delude ourselves into thinking late first round/early second round picks are worth more this year due to a strong draft, but also worth more next year due to changes in bidding rules. Nor can we say pick 27 was worth more given the super draft, but the pick 29 we gave away for Daniel was speculative at best.

None of it seems to make relative sense. Someone at North is a bad poker player ...

the 3rd question being was there better KPP available at 27

 

[Heaps of fun]

Hope his wife is ok. That’s horrible.

It's fake.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

It's fake.

The photo is. The carry on is real, even if he is overstating it. It’s unhealthy to get so wound up, and even more unhealthy for people who live with it.

 

[Twangler]

The photo is. The carry on is real, even if he is overstating it. It’s unhealthy to get so wound up, and even more unhealthy for people who live with it.

I hope it’s just this person trying be funny and not at all based on reality, if so it would be very troubling for all involved!

 

[The Dingrel]

There are two mutually exclusive questions here: (1) was pick 1 for pick 27 and Richmonds future 2nd round pick an optimal trade; and, (2) is Matt Whitlock a steal at pick 27.

I think it's irrelevant if we rate Whitlock at #10, as the market price was #27 and perhaps even later before we paid up.

I'm going to reserve full judgement on the first portion until after tonight, although the issue is that they could have optimised this trading a lot better.

Its interesting that people are speaking about second rounders being with a lot more next year with changes to bidding rules. That is only true if we don't trade either of the picks back into this year's "super draft".

BUT, we also can't delude ourselves into thinking late first round/early second round picks are worth more this year due to a strong draft, but also worth more next year due to changes in bidding rules. Nor can we say pick 27 was worth more given the super draft, but the pick 29 we gave away for Daniel was speculative at best.

None of it seems to make relative sense. Someone at North is a bad poker player ...

Technically it isn't a market price at all. An efficient market requires many buyers and sellers. Whereas the draft there is only 1 buyer at each step. So working through the order, it is possible that he was ranked 2 or 3 on every clubs board (apart from Richmond's) without getting picked at 2 or 3. I know what you're saying but another consideration here is after taking a lot of high end talent, we are going to run into the constraint of the salary cap. Starting next year with sorting LDU out, McKercher with Tassie coming in, we've done well to lock Sheez and Larkey away long term. The Warden is going to need sorting, etc. as will Duursma when he starts lighting it up. We've addressed a need, and big guys generally take time and with that also buys some time in cap space.

 

[Sphynx]

Here's a positive thought.

Richmond traded Daniel Rioli

17

Daniel Rioli

Age

27

Ht

179cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

179.2

3star

D

8.1

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

3.3

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

2.6

4star

MG

144.9

3star

D

9.0

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.2

4star

M

0.8

1star

T

3.8

5star

MG

160.2

3star

, 51, 61, F2

for

Josh Smillie & North's F1.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I hope it’s just this person trying be funny and not at all based on reality, if so it would be very troubling for all involved!

I guess it's too woke to ask the question as to whether jokes about domestic violence are a little on the nose.

 

[Rooboy53]

Probably would target p31 for our own second

Not near enough....."Hey can we have 31 for our 26-27 next year"....

If you haven't worked it out yet you need to overpay....

Only one team were able to get back in one pick ago & that cost a speculative top 5 pick...

3-4 clubs looking to get back in last night to no avail & will try again today with there F1st pick

 

[The Dingrel]

I guess it's too woke to ask the question as to whether jokes about domestic violence are a little on the nose.

Ask this bloke...."The Things that Batter".....and he wasn't talking about your fish n chip shop worker. Was on the nose 20 years ago, daresay moreso now!

 

[giantroo]

Why North Melbourne’s shock draft night trade might be justifiable

“Maybe they're sending a message that the time is now.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[bigosacr]

Not near enough....."Hey can we have 31 for our 26-27 next year"....

If you haven't worked it out yet you need to overpay....

Only one team were able to get back in one pick ago & that cost a speculative top 5 pick...

3-4 clubs looking to get back in last night to no avail & will try again today with there F1st pick

yeah i think itll have to be both (north and rich) f2 for 31 + f2

 

[The Y Factor]

Hope his wife is ok. That’s horrible.

Don’t think you can marry at 12

 

[Firebat]

IF we manage to snare another pick in the 30-40 range, may I ask the keen draft observers which key position players should be on our radar?

I’ve been a big fan of OFarrell for quite some time but there seems to have been some surprises with the bigs thus far.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I think Tigers will flip 28 for a F1 and F2 off some team. Probably * and they take Shanahan.

 

[Farthers]

I guess it's too woke to ask the question as to whether jokes about domestic violence are a little on the nose.

How do you know someone in the room is anti-woke? They will tell you.

 

[chubbspeterson]

IF we manage to snare another pick in the 30-40 range, may I ask the keen draft observers which key position players should be on our radar?

I’ve been a big fan of OFarrell for quite some time but there seems to have been some surprises with the bigs thus far.

Defenders - Mraz, O'Farrell
Forwards - Shanahan, J Whitlock, Sims, Stumpf, Nichols, Gerreyn, Rohr

That's my limited knowledge off the top of my head.

 

[Chip Scab1]

We really need Gerryn to make it all work... you know, a bloke who can take a contested mark and kick more than 20m. It bothers me a touch that we don't rate him, apparently!

But at least we killed it in potential marketing revenue with MWhitlock - we'll be unstoppable when Matt takes his clothes off for the nudist calendar that I am waiting by the inbox to collect.

That's what, $1M on the old cap? Pretty easy to match for us at this stage.

I'm probably one out here, and whilst I love him and hope he stays, I wouldn't match that. I'd possibly regret it in a few years but IMO, 2x $800k p.a flankers (and Pick ~4-6) would be of more use to us! If he nailed his I50s then yeah, but AFAIC he doesn't and probably never will (as good as he is).

 

[The Y Factor]

Defenders - Mraz, O'Farrell
Forwards - Shanahan, J Whitlock, Sims, Stumpf, Nichols, Gerreyn

That's my limited knowledge off the top of my head.

I believe we have shown interest in Whitlock and Mraz so keep an eye for them.

 

[Shermanator]

Here's a positive thought.

Richmond traded Daniel Rioli, 51, 61, F2

for

Josh Smillie & North's F1.

Not having a future first in 2025 is choking you inside isn't it?..

Draft time is your time to shine, the BF faithful gathering around and hanging off your every draft word like Jesus giving out free advice to his disciples..

The days of early first round picks are going fast and once our kids get another 30+ games into them our first rounders will be 14 onwards.. looks like you'll have to get a real job now.

 

[Event Horizon]

The fact we offered that first for every pick after 8 and it was shut down by every club, shows what they think of this draft compared to next years

Wonder what happens when we try to offer one of our F2s to get back into second round tonight


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[Ichiro #51]

At the end of the day it's probably a swap of Pick 7ish for pick 19 and Whitlock.

The way I look at it, we're all passionate and we all want the best for the club. We'll agree to disagree on this one, but I'm sure there will be plenty in the future we'll agree on

A poor negotiator trades based predominantly on how they value the player. A smart negotiator will anticipate what the market values that player, and will seek to strike a trade that fits the market's perception, not their own.

Just about everyone had the Whitlocks going between 20-30, with Faull and Shanahan also in that range. Logic says at least two of them ought to fall there - and as it turns out, 3 of them will have come after pick 27.

Sure, we might have valued M Whitlock at 13, but just because we do, we shouldn't corner ourselves into having to pay pick 13 value when it was clear that Whitlock (or else another KPF we rated similarly) would be available at pick 27+.

This is what makes it poor list management.

Thank you. Absolutely spot on.