Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

[The Nostradamus]

The most sensible post I’ve read since the draft.

i'd be getting new recruiters if they genuinely rated him top 10

 

[The Nostradamus]

yeah Whitlock needs to be one, how many rookie spots we got?

1, which i'd have for the ssp

so we can either have 2 in the ND or 1 in ND and 1 in rookie list (SSP)

 

[krakouers]

Preview - 2024 National Draft Preview Thread

6+10 and 11 for 2 and our F1 is a good deal for both clubs, but going by the bleating Tiger media narrative, and the Tigers supporters, there’s little chance of that happening. It’s the move we should be holding firm to, but Tiger media will rant on with “North offered its F1 for GC 13 and were...

www.bigfooty.com

Come on down Malakai you Champion

 

[apollo_creed]

Ok so lets look at it another way.

Reports today that the club had MW ranked in our top 10. We need high end KPP's so that makes sense if true.

Lets say a few weeks ago we offered Richmond our F1 for their pick 11 and they agreed. We take FOS with pick 2 and MW with 11 and everyone goes "ya we got our gun big man and a gun mid" and we absolute don't care about the future first because everyone is happy and it's a compromised draft next year, yadda, yadda..

Fast forward to today and the result is this; We took FOS with pick 2, MW with pick 27 (17 picks after our rating board) and we potentially got THE BEST SECOND ROUND PICK OF THE 2025 DRAFT thrown in as ****ing steak knives!
Cue the sudden outrage over our future first next year.. WTF?!

So...

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 11 (Whitlock) = good drafting.

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 27 (Whitlock) + 2025 pick 19 = worst drafting of all time....

Am I in ****ing bizarro land???..

‘Reports’… aka the club in damage control. Amazing how gullible people are when it comes to blind loyalty.

Shermanator do you watch the North Korean state media and take is as an accurate portrayal of things?

 

[DesertRoo]

1, which i'd have for the ssp

so we can either have 2 in the ND or 1 in ND and 1 in rookie list (SSP)

I thought we had more then that, I was just flicking through the list now, geez we've got a fair bit of deadwood still..

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Considering we have W.Dawson, Whitlock, Maley, Comben, CCJ and Goad who are all basically 2M, do we need to go after the other Whitlock? Is there small forward available in the same range that makes more sense?

Nah go for him perfect compliment

 

[bigosacr]

Is it worth f2(rich) + our f2 for port 33 or saints 32 + thier f2 to get the other twin?
Could live with this considering what we traded for Mitlock

 

[giantroo]

 

[ROOMAN]

The most sensible post I’ve read since the draft.

The most sensible post I’ve read since the draft.

Absolutely spot on if we picked him at 11 would be nowhere near as much noise

 

[Shermanator]

‘Reports’… aka the club in damage control. Amazing how gullible people are when it comes to blind loyalty.

Shermanator do you watch the North Korean state media and take is as an accurate portrayal of things?

Yeah the club in damage control because they got their desired big man

 

[guapo]

Ok so lets look at it another way.

Reports today that the club had MW ranked in our top 10. We need high end KPP's so that makes sense if true.

Lets say a few weeks ago we offered Richmond our F1 for their pick 11 and they agreed. We take FOS with pick 2 and MW with 11 and everyone goes "ya we got our gun big man and a gun mid" and we absolute don't care about the future first because everyone is happy and it's a compromised draft next year, yadda, yadda..

Fast forward to today and the result is this; We took FOS with pick 2, MW with pick 27 (17 picks after our rating board) and we potentially got THE BEST SECOND ROUND PICK OF THE 2025 DRAFT thrown in as ****ing steak knives!
Cue the sudden outrage over our future first next year.. WTF?!

So...

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 11 (Whitlock) = good drafting.

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 27 (Whitlock) + 2025 pick 19 = worst drafting of all time....

Am I in ****ing bizarro land???..

Well said - agree entirely. Just need to add something to address the Caleb Daniel outrage and your job is done

 

[shinboner magic]

both are bad imo

there hasn't been one time we have traded future picks that imo has been more in our favour

The future pick hasn’t even got a number to it - let alone a name.

We wait another year to get a tall and that pushes the players development back a year and we know big men take time to develop.

And if we got shanahan you’d of been having a circle jerk

 

[DesertRoo]

Nah go for him perfect compliment

Brothers can either go one of two ways, these 100% look like the two which will be better playing and training together.
give 'em the body by Darling training course.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

GWS knocking back our f1 for a guy that no one’s ever heard of , tells you enough about how next years draft is rated

We may have asked for their F1 back. Which will be a late 1st.

 

[Wayne Campbell]

Am I right we no have two F2s and two F3s? If so I like the idea from the Adelaide poster above keep the two F2s and an F3 might be able to trade that to a club with a top 10 pick that wants to trade out for points for an academy player then see if we can use the extra F3 to upgrade what was 62 coming into this draft as high as possible ~40ish.


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[apollo_creed]

Yeah the club in damage control because they got their desired big man

Their desired big man at pick 27…
Yes, I’m sure he was their first preference. Nothing to see here. No one has ridiculously overpaid. Their is an entire AFL world laughing at our club but it’s all misplaced and the past five years of shit decisions by Brady was all just leading up to this masterstroke to turn things around..

And the CCJ trade was a great one as well, wasn’t it?

 

[DrZaius]

Everyone on here is judging him on 5 minutes of YouTube highlights and screenshot of his stats from Rookie Me Central. Not even our esteemed draft watchers, whose opinions I value, will have watched Matt anywhere near as much as our recruiters have.

I don't think many are passing judgement on the pick itself to be fair. Apart from a small handful most are wishing Mattlock nothing but the best and hope he becomes a great player for us. I think he will be and I'm glad we got him.

That is an entirely separate issue from how we acquired him and it's important not to conflate the two.

As a result of our trade we have most likely given Richmond the whip hand for next years draft as well as they will now probably hold two of the top 5 picks, this may have unintended ramifications for next years trade period (not to mention the draft obviously) as we saw this year some clubs doing crazy deals to acquire first round picks. Richmond may trade it down for another haul and get a few more talls. Or maybe they use our pick to trade for let's say, a key forward in their prime? Either way Jon Ralph must be absolutely creaming himself right now because after these two drafts they will be in a perfect spot for their rebuild.

I know the whole blah blah we shouldn't worry about other teams, but the reality is we are in a competition and while you can deal in good faith you don't generally set out to actively help your competitors. No issue with our bold drafting strategy but you simply must extract maximum value for trading these kind of picks because we can't afford for it to blow up in our face.

We still have tonight so let's see what happens before judging the draft fully but in isolation it's not even a debate about whether we got adequate value for our f1 and those jumping through hoops with their creative accounting in order to justify it are simply coping.

 

[GS WARRIORS]

Tiger's F2 will likely be the first pick of night 2 next year which holds added value in itself.

Until head office do something doggy like in 2001 and we get the 2nd pick on the night.

 

[Sphynx]

Absolutely spot on if we picked him at 11 would be nowhere near as much noise

So, if we have a player ranked at 18 available at Pick 75, should we trade a F2 for it because of that?

 

[LeFtBehinD]

Ok so lets look at it another way.

Reports today that the club had MW ranked in our top 10. We need high end KPP's so that makes sense if true.

Lets say a few weeks ago we offered Richmond our F1 for their pick 11 and they agreed. We take FOS with pick 2 and MW with 11 and everyone goes "ya we got our gun big man and a gun mid" and we absolute don't care about the future first because everyone is happy and it's a compromised draft next year, yadda, yadda..

Fast forward to today and the result is this; We took FOS with pick 2, MW with pick 27 (17 picks after our rating board) and we potentially got THE BEST SECOND ROUND PICK OF THE 2025 DRAFT thrown in as ****ing steak knives!
Cue the sudden outrage over our future first next year.. WTF?!

So...

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 11 (Whitlock) = good drafting.

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 27 (Whitlock) + 2025 pick 19 = worst drafting of all time....

Am I in ****ing bizarro land???..

Sensible reasoning on Bigfooty does feel like bizarro land. Great analysis.

 

[billnats]

Having Andrew Swallow

Andrew Swallow

Age

37

Ht

182cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

11.1

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.8

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

4.4

5star

in the wings to hand out our second round 1 draft pick their jersey made it pretty obvious we were always trading our first.

Where it was going and getting something back was the only surprise.

Pretty comfortable with it now considering it will most likely be the first pick of night 2 next year. Plus having two second rounders in a year where teams would want points makes it pretty likely we can trade up (unless we trade one of those again into this year)

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Brothers can either go one of two ways, these 100% look like the two which will be better playing and training together.
give 'em the body by Darling training course.

Of course, I but our young midfield is loaded with potential and if we managed to get Jack or Mraz then we all of the sudden have loaded our potential kps. Small fwd would be nice but that we might be lucky and address next yr

 

[Karanicolas]

I think he'd suit the number 2 more personally....quick, elusive, hard edged wingman in number 2 just feels right.....although he's not a left-footer

Although he seems to like going to his left and handballing on his left. Threw me a bit watching his highlights as I was then expecting him to kick on his left.

 

[Kanga1996]

Their desired big man at pick 27…
Yes, I’m sure he was their first preference. Nothing to see here. No one has ridiculously overpaid. Their is an entire AFL world laughing at our club but it’s all misplaced and the past five years of shit decisions by Brady was all just leading up to this masterstroke to turn things around..

And the CCJ trade was a great one as well, wasn’t it?

All will be forgotten when we are flogging you at the G next year. until then enjoy the the trade period.

 

[DesertRoo]

Of course, I but our young midfield is loaded with potential and if we managed to get Jack or Mraz then we all of the sudden have loaded our potential kps. Small fwd would be nice but that we might be lucky and address next yr

Small forwards are defiantly a need, mainly just to add pressure to start with, if we can stop that run off HB, get repeat entries, it'll go. a long way to winning games.

two that may surprise is Konstanty and Paine