Review 2024 National Draft Thread Part Deux - Welcome FOS, M.Whitlock, L.Urquhart & River Stevens

[The Filth Wizard]

Of course, I but our young midfield is loaded with potential and if we managed to get Jack or Mraz then we all of the sudden have loaded our potential kps. Small fwd would be nice but that we might be lucky and address next yr

Get out of today with Jack or Mraz, not bad. Or hold our picks and we can grab a Stumpf/Nicholls/Burmeister at the back end (I could have mentioned Gerreyn but I hear we're not interested).

 

[iloveireland]

He wont give a **** about the trade. Nor should he. He's playing AFL football. Literally living his dream.

In fact, none of the players in the squad will give a shit about us having a 1st rounder next year, nor would i expect them to.

I meant more media pressure wise. Despite it not being his fault / in his control, I am sure they’ll bring it up constantly, especially if he has a bad day here or there.

But I agree, within the club walls it should be irrelevant.

 

[backtothedraft]

So, if we have a player ranked at 18 available at Pick 75, should we trade a F2 for it because of that?

Would likely need to be a F2 + F3 for 75 to get it done.

 

[Shermanator]

So, if we have a player ranked at 18 available at Pick 75, should we trade a F2 for it because of that?

Any good examples of a player ranked at 18 still available at pick 75 off the top of your head?..

 

[Skarrz]

Isn't this move mega risky if LDU leaves now? As it would mean Band 1 would be (at best) for us Pick 20?

Not how it works

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I meant more media pressure wise. Despite it not being his fault / in his control, I am sure they’ll bring it up constantly, especially if he has a bad day here or there.

But I agree, within the club walls it should be irrelevant.

That’s on us to reiterate it makes no difference to us what so ever.

Just because the media says it doesn’t make it true.

Would we have this discussion if we got 10 for the f1 and took him

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

So, if we have a player ranked at 18 available at Pick 75, should we trade a F2 for it because of that?

If there are 10 other clubs also offering F2 for that pick and we value the player available at 75 more than the speculative selection next year with 1 less year of development then yes

 

[Supa_Nova]

Pretty much says it all no? That pick 7 by all reports back to pick 10 potentially.

Other clubs vary of us rising to a 9th or 10th finish (pick 7 or 8) and us arguing we will have pick 4 or 5.

Paid overseas slightly, massively if we don't do well. We are backing ourselves the value system is flawed, but gee even though I melted down over this, the trade isn't the worst trade ever YET, and might end up being alright regardless

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Small forwards are defiantly a need, mainly just to add pressure to start with, if we can stop that run off HB, get repeat entries, it'll go. a long way to winning games.

two that may surprise is Konstanty and Paine

Yep agreed that’s a need but I guess we have addressed mids, one kpp away from addressing that then sml fwd.

We actually are close to a balanced list (based on potential)

 

[The Y Factor]

Get out of today with Jack or Mraz, not bad. Or hold our picks and we can grab a Stumpf/Nicholls/Burmeister at the back end (I could have mentioned Gerreyn but I hear we're not interested).

This is an important point - we are not done yet! More to play out and we have options.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Pretty much says it all no? That pick 7 by all reports back to pick 10 potentially.

Other clubs vary of us rising to a 9th or 10th finish (pick 7 or 8) and us arguing we will have pick 4 or 5.

Paid overseas slightly, massively if we don't do well. We are backing ourselves the value system is flawed, but gee even though I melted down over this, the trade isn't the worst trade ever YET, and might end up being alright regardless

The focus of success/failure is how Whitlock goes not next yrs finish. I’m convinced we’d not have done this trade if not for him being available

 

[krakouers]

Alright, fess up:

 

[Supa_Nova]

The focus of success/failure is how Whitlock goes not next yrs finish. I’m convinced we’d not have done this trade if not for him being available

Media and us are clueless to what we factored into with this trade.

Maybe tauru was a smoke screen, maybe we wanted 6 and 11 for tauru then Whitlock, maybe we don't see any KPP worthy next year, or note it'll just be too darn late and detrimental - maybe we also have a FA lined up for next year's trade

Who knows. Given viney and clarko were in that room, I trust the decision even if I wouldn't have done it myself still

 

[shintemaster]

Considering we have W.Dawson, Whitlock, Maley, Comben, CCJ and Goad who are all basically 2M, do we need to go after the other Whitlock? Is there small forward available in the same range that makes more sense?

I don't think so. We've brought in a bit in that space - last year and pre draft this year. FOS in also leaves room for Wardlaw or others to be pushed forward more. Do I think we might still want a gun small forward in the next 1-2 years from the draft - yes, if that player isn't there this year though we get a good look at the RHJ, New Konstantinople, Paine, River Stevens and make a call next year.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

Media and us are clueless to what we factored into with this trade.

Maybe tauru was a smoke screen, maybe we wanted 6 and 11 for tauru then Whitlock, maybe we don't see any KPP worthy next year, or note it'll just be too darn late and detrimental - maybe we also have a FA lined up for next year's trade

Who knows. Given viney and clarko were in that room, I trust the decision even if I wouldn't have done it myself still

Yeah I just think the deal was made for the player not the picks. Looks like we rate him that highly

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

So, if we have a player ranked at 18 available at Pick 75, should we trade a F2 for it because of that?

The interesting thing is, by all reports, north were trying to flog off the F1 pick all the way through for Whitlock. What’s strange is that teams were turning it down.
I’m assuming Sydney, Bris, and GWS got the offer, but instead of taking a likely top 6 pick next year, they went with their picks in the 20’s. If Richmond are looked at as geniuses for jumping at it, are Syd, Bris and GWS looked at as poor for not grabbing the offer? Potentially their view is that a pick in the 20’s this year, is worth more than next years top 6.

My major concern is similar to your example. North had this bloke pencilled for top 10, and no other team seemed to.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

This is blatantly wrong. Why do people keep repeating it. You don’t know what we were asking.

Did they have the First pick of R2 2025 attached to it?

Richmond is the outlier there. A bottom 4 team picking in the spot of a top 4 team.

Say, Sydney offer their future second (late 30’s) and 24 for your first. That’s a far worse deal than the one you took. It’s likely you were asking for more than two seconds for a first from those better performing clubs.

Edit:

It’s also well known that rich, Collingwood, north and few others are agitating about the academies. Dillon even indicated that the costs will be going up next year.

So the days of Levi Ashcroft for 3 picks in the 40s might be over. In which case a high second may be worth a lot more to a team next year.


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[Psychic Roo]

Not how it works

How does that work if we dont have a 1st round?

 

[TiAn_]

Ok so lets look at it another way.

Reports today that the club had MW ranked in our top 10. We need high end KPP's so that makes sense if true.

Lets say a few weeks ago we offered Richmond our F1 for their pick 11 and they agreed. We take FOS with pick 2 and MW with 11 and everyone goes "ya we got our gun big man and a gun mid" and we absolute don't care about the future first because everyone is happy and it's a compromised draft next year, yadda, yadda..

Fast forward to today and the result is this; We took FOS with pick 2, MW with pick 27 (17 picks after our rating board) and we potentially got THE BEST SECOND ROUND PICK OF THE 2025 DRAFT thrown in as ****ing steak knives!
Cue the sudden outrage over our future first next year.. WTF?!

So...

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 11 (Whitlock) = good drafting.

Pick 2 (FOS) + F1 for RFC pick 27 (Whitlock) + 2025 pick 19 = worst drafting of all time....

Am I in ****ing bizarro land???..

I suppose your point about perception is correct. We now know no other club would have used one of the first 27 picks on him, maybe more. So it would have still been a big overpay, but it at least would have been hidden from the public.

 

[kirbatron]

ppl were critical of our Weddle move few yrs ago... look you have to be bold... great move guys fk the haters.

 

[kirbatron]

How does that work if we dont have a 1st round?

its tied to finishing position not picks held

 

[The Y Factor]

Pretty much says it all no? That pick 7 by all reports back to pick 10 potentially.

Other clubs vary of us rising to a 9th or 10th finish (pick 7 or 8) and us arguing we will have pick 4 or 5.

Paid overseas slightly, massively if we don't do well. We are backing ourselves the value system is flawed, but gee even though I melted down over this, the trade isn't the worst trade ever YET, and might end up being alright regardless

Yeah good call.

For me it’s not so much about winning and losing a particular pick but rather simply using a pick to fill critical list needs.

In fact we only used half the pick for a team of the year full Back.

If we get another KPP and can say we got 2 Keys for our F1 then I’m very happy!

Plenty to play out here!

 

[Shermanator]

Media and us are clueless to what we factored into with this trade.

Maybe tauru was a smoke screen, maybe we wanted 6 and 11 for tauru then Whitlock, maybe we don't see any KPP worthy next year, or note it'll just be too darn late and detrimental - maybe we also have a FA lined up for next year's trade

Who knows. Given viney and clarko were in that room, I trust the decision even if I wouldn't have done it myself still

It was generated clickbait by the media and hope generated by Carlton that we take a relatively unknown a couple of months back at 2 and FOS slips through to them at 3.

Souup is the only draft guru I trust around these parts and he picked FOS a mile out - last year even. The rest was piss-n-wind generated by the media and hopeful fans of other clubs that we would pass on FOS.

As it stands our midfield has the potential to be mind-blowing.

 

[shintemaster]

My major concern is similar to your example. North had this bloke pencilled for top 10, and no other team seemed to.

This will always happen though. The same occurred with Larkey for example and that was a huge win for us. History will judge but the team can only recruit based on our needs and how they rate the players. Can't draft based on Cal Twomey - who doesn't get a gig at a team - or what you think other teams rate.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

How does that work if we dont have a 1st round?

Compo picks are based on what our natural picks would have been. So if we get band 1 as compo it will be after wherever our first pick would have been