NFL 2024 NFL - Week 14

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FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6 @ 12:15 PM
Green Bay at Detroit LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 5:00 AM
Atlanta at Minnesota LIVE
Carolina at Philadelphia LIVE
Cleveland at Pittsburgh LIVE
Jacksonville at Tennessee
Las Vegas at Tampa Bay
New Orleans at New York Giants
New York Jets at Miami

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 8:05 AM
Seattle at Arizona

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 8:25 AM
Buffalo at Los Angeles Rams LIVE
Chicago at San Francisco LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 12:20 PM
Los Angeles Chargers at Kansas City LIVE

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10 @ 12:15 PM
Cincinnati at Dallas LIVE

OPEN DATE:
Baltimore, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, New England, Washington

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12:15 PM ON 6/12: Green Bay at Detroit
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 9/12: Cleveland at Pittsburgh
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 9/12: Atlanta at Minnesota
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 5.00 AM ON 9/12: Carolina at Philadelphia
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.25 AM ON 9/12: Buffalo at Los Angeles Rams
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 8.25 AM ON 9/12: Chicago at San Francisco
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.20 PM ON 9/12: Los Angeles Chargers at Kansas City
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.15 PM ON 10/12: Cincinnati at Dallas
LIVE ON watchESPN AT 5:00 AM on 9/12: NFL RedZone

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NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
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less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
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[Exe Gesis]

The most flagrant imo was the non-dpi call earlier this season

 

[Southerntakeover]

When i saw the play myself, it looked like an illegal shift from the WR on the sideline. I do believe it was a flag thrown for an illegal shift and he mistakenly thought he could stop the play and attribute it as a false start, but the head judge corrected him that because the clock was already stopped from the previous play and under 2 mins it couldnt be converted to a false start.

However, its true that the Chiefs always seem to benefit from these ticky tacky situations and sometimes downright help from the officials.

Your head cannon doesn't matter Geeg, they blew the damn whistle.

 

[Brasher]

Absolutely.

We don't care what they should have done. Having called it, and whistled the play dead, they've got no right to freelance to more favourable calls for the golden children.

Imagine if a Raider had recovered the fumble, saw the dead ball call and just tossed it to the ground where it was recovered by a Chiefs player.

You can't call a play over and then just decide to reactivate it regardless of how wrong you were to blow it dead.

Reminds me of when Spagnuolo tried to call a time out for the Chiefs when he wasn't allowed to yet wasn't flagged but still managed to accomplish the stop in play he wanted to.

 

[rumply]

 

[Southerntakeover]

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It's all good, he's the MVP

 

[Constantgin]

Man this could be so bad it could be good

 

[Constantgin]

 

[WAbulldog]

Lions and Packers should be a ripper on Friday.

 

[aussiedude]

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You should add tankathon so bad teams fans know whats best to root for

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[aussiedude]

Getting rid of the slide is the best way to move forward. it will remove the fake slide that Mahomes has used in the past. and if a hit is bad enough then its a flag anyway. I would also remove the protections for QB's slowing down going out of bounds. if you would throw a flag for a late hit on a RB/WR in the same situation sure, but QB's getting a brush shouldnt be a free 15.

The teams who exploit the QB run knowing the defenders cant hit them too hard will change fast when they are treated like a RB on scrambles. and if a QB goes down for the season, bad luck they chose to run you can still throw it away or give yourself up way before any hit. But they are trying to steal extra yds because they have the protection.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Getting rid of the slide is the best way to move forward. it will remove the fake slide that Mahomes has used in the past. and if a hit is bad enough then its a flag anyway. I would also remove the protections for QB's slowing down going out of bounds. if you would throw a flag for a late hit on a RB/WR in the same situation sure, but QB's getting a brush shouldnt be a free 15.

The teams who exploit the QB run knowing the defenders cant hit them too hard will change fast when they are treated like a RB on scrambles. and if a QB goes down for the season, bad luck they chose to run you can still throw it away or give yourself up way before any hit. But they are trying to steal extra yds because they have the protection.

No, that's the precise opposite of what they should do.

To avoid brain trauma, avoiding unnecessary hits is paramount.

They should make simulating 'giving yourself up' a penalty, with fifteen yards from the spot. Would stop it instantly. They should continue to suspend hits on defenceless players.

 

[aussiedude]

No, that's the precise opposite of what they should do.

To avoid brain trauma, avoiding unnecessary hits is paramount.

They should make simulating 'giving yourself up' a penalty, with fifteen yards from the spot. Would stop it instantly. They should continue to suspend hits on defenceless players.

removing the protection QB's are exploiting will lead to less slides. If you dont want to be hit dont run or try and get that extra yd when a LB is 5yds away. its a contact sport, QB's still get head knocks in the pocket and even that has gone too far with incidental little knocks being flagged, Which some crews are now letting go.

Sure you will still get dirty hits like the one on Lawrence, but too many QB's are "cheating" by faking a slide or going out of bounds.

You could also have QB's give themselves up by waiving like a fair catch and spike the ball at the spot and give them the kick/catch protection.

or have the QB's dive head first and have the play dead where the dive starts.

 

[Southerntakeover]

removing the protection QB's are exploiting will lead to less slides. If you dont want to be hit dont run or try and get that extra yd when a LB is 5yds away. its a contact sport, QB's still get head knocks in the pocket and even that has gone too far with incidental little knocks being flagged, Which some crews are now letting go.

Sure you will still get dirty hits like the one on Lawrence, but too many QB's are "cheating" by faking a slide or going out of bounds.

You could also have QB's give themselves up by waiving like a fair catch and spike the ball at the spot and give them the kick/catch protection.

or have the QB's dive head first and have the play dead where the dive starts.

Creating a situation in which ball carriers must get hit would be a very good way to guarantee large legal liability, but there's no other legitimate purpose. It being a contact sport is no answer to not trying to do away with needless trauma. A player sacrificing yards to protect themselves is not wrong doing.

And it's not just quarterbacks. How many times have we seen players at the end of the game slide to keep clocks running, sometimes sacrificing a score.

The fake is a problem , so deal with that.

 

[aussiedude]

the fake isnt the only problem, the late slide is. the fake slide should be 15 on the QB for unsportsmanlike [and is in college, known as the Kenny Pickett rule].

the late slide isnt what caused this debate to happen, but we have seen so many QB's over the past few years slide late and get a free 15 for a hit that on anyone else wouldnt be called and didnt cause any concussions. Which is why QB's dont give themselves up because they know they can get an extra couple of yds and if they are hit its 15 on top. The protection of the 15 yds is the issue.

Perhaps the 15yds should be removed and only on excessive hits that would be flagged on anyone.

The slide is only a QB issue, as you said other players have no problem giving themselves up and not getting hit, not even late game but when they see they are in about to be hit they do it at times to avoid unnecessary hits. the needless head trauma is mostly the QB's fault for trying to get more yds. We know QB's are capable of going down quick we see them doing it at times to avoid big hits in the pocket and sacks, Stafford does this well. When most other players give up its not a slide they just drop which has less forward momentum and defenders get slightly more reaction time.

The debate has been sparked again by the Texans player, but no rule changed would of avoided the hit. Because he was always going to be a dirty hit no matter how Lawrence gave himself up.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Yes, and the problem is with the hitter.

Banning fakes deals with the issue raised about fakes. Late slides aren't protected (ie if the hitter couldn't avoid contact). If they can, there's no justifiable excuse not to.

No one but GG and Demeco actually believes that the Texan player couldn't, and I suspect even Ryans wouldn't say it in private

You say there's no problem with slides in particular circumstances, but you're proposing to ban it in all. It's the wrong approach.

At some point fans of the sport have to accept that these hits are incredibly ****ing dangerous, and if they want these sports to be played the more and more we know about the risks we have to set aside how vicariously tough we all feel at insisting that players brains get scrambled every play.

 

[Jatz]

Getting rid of the slide is the best way to move forward. it will remove the fake slide that Mahomes has used in the past. and if a hit is bad enough then its a flag anyway. I would also remove the protections for QB's slowing down going out of bounds. if you would throw a flag for a late hit on a RB/WR in the same situation sure, but QB's getting a brush shouldnt be a free 15.

The teams who exploit the QB run knowing the defenders cant hit them too hard will change fast when they are treated like a RB on scrambles. and if a QB goes down for the season, bad luck they chose to run you can still throw it away or give yourself up way before any hit. But they are trying to steal extra yds because they have the protection.

Is your alternative they just get hit like any other player? One way to ensure QB's not named Josh Allen don't run out of the pocket I suppose.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Is your alternative they just get hit like any other player? One way to ensure QB's not named Josh Allen don't run out of the pocket I suppose.

Don't give yourself up in the pocket either.

Basically the quarterback has to suffer a brain trauma event every play otherwise it's not a contact sport and it's all gone soft.

 

[aussiedude]

 

[aussiedude]

Is your alternative they just get hit like any other player? One way to ensure QB's not named Josh Allen don't run out of the pocket I suppose.

They need to protect themselves and not exploit the rules to protect themselves or get free 15 if they are hit.

dive or drop, the slide going forward into a player running full speed at you is just putting a bullseye on the head because its the last body part and most likely collision point when the slide isnt early enough to avoid any contact.
These hits are almost exclusively on a QB scramble not designed runs.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Largely because players other than the quarterback aren't being asked to protect themselves, and you rarely can win a game by knocking non QBs out like you can buy hitting the star qb.

Hurts slides on QB designed runs often

 

[Southerntakeover]

This is the distance between them when he gave himself up. By doing so he changed his trajectory. The Texans player adjusted to hit him.

Claims this is about late sliding are disingenuous.

 

[aussiedude]

Don't give yourself up in the pocket either.

Basically the quarterback has to suffer a brain trauma event every play otherwise it's not a contact sport and it's all gone soft.

Me when i tell lies on the internet.


I never said any of that, I think the QB's need to take better care of protecting themselves and not rely on the defenders or refs to protect them. When you have 2 players at close to full speed a slide is a horrible decision if they are 5yds apart. and QB's do a much better job of protecting themselves on a designed run like a Jackson, Hurts or Allen then when they scramble and slide late.

my stance has always been because its a contact sport a "safe" NFL is a delusional pipedream, But you can make it safer. Just like the debate with WR's and low shots at the knees because defenders cant go high. If anything my stance has been more towards protecting players from dirty hits with more ejections and fines.

I dont blame Lawrence for the hit, I blame the NFL rules letting QB's have protection other players dont on runs. But this was an old school cheap shot that no rule change will take out of the game and deserved more then a 3 game suspension.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Every player gets the slide protection though. QBs are just the only players that teams value enough to encourage to use it.

 

[aussiedude]

This is the distance between them when he gave himself up. By doing so he changed his trajectory. The Texans player adjusted to hit him.

Claims this is about late sliding are disingenuous.

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Its almost like this was a pure dirty hit and it wasnt going to matter when the slide took place.
It was clear headhunting of a QB.

 

[Southerntakeover]

Its almost like this was a pure dirty hit and it wasnt going to matter when the slide took place.
It was clear headhunting of a QB.

Yes, the problem being with late slides wasnt my claim.

It was a dog shot.