NFL 2024 NFL - Week 14

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FRIDAY, DECEMBER 6 @ 12:15 PM
Green Bay at Detroit LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 5:00 AM
Atlanta at Minnesota LIVE
Carolina at Philadelphia LIVE
Cleveland at Pittsburgh LIVE
Jacksonville at Tennessee
Las Vegas at Tampa Bay
New Orleans at New York Giants
New York Jets at Miami

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 8:05 AM
Seattle at Arizona

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 8:25 AM
Buffalo at Los Angeles Rams LIVE
Chicago at San Francisco LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 9 @ 12:20 PM
Los Angeles Chargers at Kansas City LIVE

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10 @ 12:15 PM
Cincinnati at Dallas LIVE

OPEN DATE:
Baltimore, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, New England, Washington

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12:15 PM ON 6/12: Green Bay at Detroit
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 9/12: Cleveland at Pittsburgh
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 9/12: Atlanta at Minnesota
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 5.00 AM ON 9/12: Carolina at Philadelphia
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.25 AM ON 9/12: Buffalo at Los Angeles Rams
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 8.25 AM ON 9/12: Chicago at San Francisco
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.20 PM ON 9/12: Los Angeles Chargers at Kansas City
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.15 PM ON 10/12: Cincinnati at Dallas
LIVE ON watchESPN AT 5:00 AM on 9/12: NFL RedZone

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[aussiedude]

Yes, the problem being with late slides wasnt my claim.

It was a dog shot.

I never disputed it being a cheap shot. my issue is with the slide in general and QB's taking advantage of it for and extra yd or 2 or the 15 for a late hit, and the high majority of those late hits QB's draw on a late slide result in no concussion and minimal head contact. Those are the ones i dont want to be protected, However the ones that result in a concussion or a big head shot should still be a penalty, just like they would be on anyone else with the ball. If anything we need to call more of them because some defenders are still leading with the crown into RB's and WR's. Brian Branch is a easy example of a player who leads with the helmet way too often.

We dont see a player headhunt a QB often like this or the Flacco hit years ago.

 

[Jatz]

They need to protect themselves and not exploit the rules to protect themselves or get free 15 if they are hit.

dive or drop, the slide going forward into a player running full speed at you is just putting a bullseye on the head because its the last body part and most likely collision point when the slide isnt early enough to avoid any contact.
These hits are almost exclusively on a QB scramble not designed runs.

What do you mean by dive? As in head first as they're running?

Nothing suggested so far seems any safer (and in fact seems more unsafe) than the current sliding.

What's also being lost in all this - I don't think Lawrence did anything wrong at all. He was pretty clearly going down, was just a dirty hit.

 

[Jatz]

The Eagles won away at Baltimore and somehow dropped to 4th on the ESPN power rankings

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[aussiedude]

What do you mean by dive? As in head first as they're running?

Nothing suggested so far seems any safer (and in fact seems more unsafe) than the current sliding.

What's also being lost in all this - I don't think Lawrence did anything wrong at all. He was pretty clearly going down, was just a dirty hit.

Jim Mora and a few others are teaching QB's to dive and not slide. but a dive head first might only be slightly safer, but a dive to the sides might work. the feet first slide just has a target on the head because its the last body part in the air before the defender completely misses

Rex Ryan said dive head first and the feet of the defender and they will then protect themselves [likely jump out of the way to avoid any knee/ankle injuries]

 

[Southerntakeover]

Jim Mora and a few others are teaching QB's to dive and not slide. but a dive head first might only be slightly safer, but a dive to the sides might work. the feet first slide just has a target on the head because its the last body part in the air before the defender completely misses

Rex Ryan said dive head first and the feet of the defender and they will then protect themselves [likely jump out of the way to avoid any knee/ankle injuries]

Diving is how Hurts got his shoulder smashed in 2022.

It's not safer, because you're not protected.

 

[Jatz]

Jim Mora and a few others are teaching QB's to dive and not slide. but a dive head first might only be slightly safer, but a dive to the sides might work. the feet first slide just has a target on the head because its the last body part in the air before the defender completely misses

Rex Ryan said dive head first and the feet of the defender and they will then protect themselves [likely jump out of the way to avoid any knee/ankle injuries]

Sounds like a lot of opinions from guys who's heads won't be landing head first at the feet of defenders...

To the side I can understand more, diving head first is quite literally the worst idea of the lot. More QB's will end up knocked out doing that than we've seen recently.

 

[Southerntakeover]

The Eagles won away at Baltimore and somehow dropped to 4th on the ESPN power rankings

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How high did the Rams rise and how far did the Jets fall in our Week 14 Power Rankings? Plus, we pick a first-time Pro Bowl nominee for every team.

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I mean, I don't really think anyone should get too upset at any of the Chiefs, Lions or Bills being above you.

 

[Jatz]

I mean, I don't really think anyone should get too upset at any of the Chiefs, Lions or Bills being above you.

We're definitely a better team than the Chiefs at present, I don't care what their record states.

Lions or Bills potentially. Bills moving up 3 places due to belting a team from California in a blizzard doesn't really make sense to me but each to their own.

 

[aussiedude]

Sounds like a lot of opinions from guys who's heads won't be landing head first at the feet of defenders...

To the side I can understand more, diving head first is quite literally the worst idea of the lot. More QB's will end up knocked out doing that than we've seen recently.

Jim Mora is basing his off all the QB's getting KOd going feet first vs players like Vick who would dive head first.

QB's might be better just keeping their feet or if they chose to go down doing so well before the DB's 5yds away. because 5yds closes fast when 2 players are running towards eachother and the last body part up is the QB's head.
If slide protections were removed they either keep their feet or slide really early so there is no hit that isnt a dirty cheap shot.

 

[aussiedude]

Diving is how Hurts got his shoulder smashed in 2022.

It's not safer, because you're not protected.

thats the risk of running, if a QB doesnt want to be hit he doesnt have to run. the NFL could change rules back to have a QB dive in the field of play dead where the dive starts and then any late hit is a penalty. but on the goalline you can still dive forward but give up the extra protections.

 

[Jatz]

Jim Mora is basing his off all the QB's getting KOd going feet first vs players like Vick who would dive head first.

QB's might be better just keeping their feet or if they chose to go down doing so well before the DB's 5yds away. because 5yds closes fast when 2 players are running towards eachother and the last body part up is the QB's head.
If slide protections were removed they either keep their feet or slide really early so there is no hit that isnt a dirty cheap shot.

Think there's a pretty big difference with how mobile Vick was compared to most QB's in the league that take off.

I absolutely agree they should be going down earlier to protect themselves. Realistically, what does one or two yards really do? It's not likely going to be the reason you don't score points on a drive.

 

[Jatz]

thats the risk of running, if a QB doesnt want to be hit he doesnt have to run. the NFL could change rules back to have a QB dive in the field of play dead where the dive starts and then any late hit is a penalty. but on the goalline you can still dive forward but give up the extra protections.

If he doesn't run, he gets hit in the pocket. Any QB that doesn't want to be hit shouldn't be in the league really.

 

[aussiedude]

If he doesn't run, he gets hit in the pocket. Any QB that doesn't want to be hit shouldn't be in the league really.

which is why RTP exists, and there is a threshold for it.

and with the Lawrence hit. his slide starts at the 46/47 but contact isnt till the 44. and is mostly vertical at the point of contact. a forward dive or a dive to the sides [where you try and land on your side and east/west rather then north/south could avoid that head hit.

 

[rumply]

I like the idea of a fair catch type signal as the qb commences the slide as that gives the defender plenty of notice & no excuse for the hit we saw on the weekend.
No signal and a fake slide then they are fair game.

Rex Ryan's heart is in the right place but diving forward is stupid and in many ways more dangerous to everyone involved.

 

[Brasher]

Azeez's hit was dirty or he has extremely slow recognition skills. Like most rules, they work most of the time until someone doesn't care about breaking them. So the Azeez hit is separate to the qb sliding conversation for mind.

But late sliding and stealing extra yards on the sideline is also real.

The problem is there is no rule that mandates a qb slide. So what's the defender supposed to do? Qbs are allowed to slide instead of kneeling because of forward momentum but defenders are not afforded a forward momentum allowance.

We've seen defenders diving at running qbs thinking they are running only to make head contact because the qb decided to slide late and put their head in the line of fire.

 

[Brasher]

This is the distance between them when he gave himself up. By doing so he changed his trajectory. The Texans player adjusted to hit him.

Claims this is about late sliding are disingenuous.

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This still returns the guilty verdict.

I was drawn to the yellow line to gain which is almost in the middle of the 2 players. I wonder how this would have played out if it was 3rd or 4th down, game on line?

 

[rumply]

 

[STFU Donnie]

Time to start Penix? If nothing else, at least for the double entendre.

 

[smasha]

Rogers getting a rogering.

 

[Southerntakeover]

I like the idea of a fair catch type signal as the qb commences the slide as that gives the defender plenty of notice & no excuse for the hit we saw on the weekend.
No signal and a fake slide then they are fair game.

Rex Ryan's heart is in the right place but diving forward is stupid and in many ways more dangerous to everyone involved.

Coaches would absolutely not accept a rule that required a ball carrier to start making arm signals while running.

 

[Southerntakeover]

which is why RTP exists, and there is a threshold for it.

and with the Lawrence hit. his slide starts at the 46/47 but contact isnt till the 44. and is mostly vertical at the point of contact. a forward dive or a dive to the sides [where you try and land on your side and east/west rather then north/south could avoid that head hit.

If your opinion is as previously expressed: cheap shot, and done deliberately, how can you think whether he slides or dives makes any difference?

Head hunters can head hunt from any position. Ask Devonta Smith after the Saints game. Or don't. He probably doesn't have much recollection of what the dog did to him.

 

[aussiedude]

If your opinion is as previously expressed: cheap shot, and done deliberately, how can you think whether he slides or dives makes any difference?

Head hunters can head hunt from any position. Ask Devonta Smith after the Saints game. Or don't. He probably doesn't have much recollection of what the dog did to him.

There is no solution for the Lawrence hit. Its more about the other hits or other QBs taking advantage of the protection.

I just think too many QBs slide with the top half of the body too vertical and leave the head exposed to taking big hits.

 

[revo333]

I've had an epiphany...the NFL should just eliminate tackling of QBs outside the pocket/beyond the line of scrimmage.

Instead, implement flag football rules...no more sliding, sneaking extra yards along the sideline or late hits. Instead of tackling, just grab the flag and the runner is stopped.

Sounds stupid but the rules interpretation actually plays softer today.

Some QB's are already getting sneaky pretending to sprint for the sideline and then at the very last second cut back inside to run down the sideline and pass the nearest defender.

If more QB's start getting really good at this then in 2-3 seasons time a solution might be needed.

 

[revo333]

No one cares (even Colts fans) but If the Colts beat the Broncos then it makes the race for the 7th seed a little more exciting.

 

[Brasher]

Some QB's are already getting sneaky pretending to sprint for the sideline and then at the very last second cut back inside to run down the sideline and pass the nearest defender.

If more QB's start getting really good at this then in 2-3 seasons time a solution might be needed.

Playing in the NFC West I got sick of watching Wilson do it over and over again.....he would do this little arm extension as he went out of bounds to get another yard.

The worst though is when they bait the defender to hit them as they cross the sideline.