USA 2024 Presidential Election. Harris Concedes. God Help America

[Goosecat]

The big 5 main reasons IMHO For The Democrats Loss:
1) Inflation, cost of living
2) Illegal immigration/Border failure
3) Persecuting Trump and making him a Martyr to re-follow and support against the establishment.
(only works if the target caves or in countries with complete control of the justice system).
4) Hiding Biden's cognitive deficiency and getting caught without enough time to hold an actual candidate competition to select a real, talented, Democrat leader.
5) Radical leftists gaining too much control.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

The Dems will never do it because it means giving up power, but they should run on democratic reform. American democracy is pathetic when compared to Australia, and people are angry that they are not being heard.

 

[adammania9]

Which part of any of that isn't true. People like you want to rewrite history because it suits your narrative. There's no moral compass in America, if there was he wouldn't get anywhere near the White House. Policies shouldn't matter if your personal depravity situation is reprehensible which it is. He could promise I'll get a million dollars and it shouldn't matter.
That's the problem too many don't care enough.

Americans are sick of Democrats talking the talk. Women, black Americans, hispanics and asians all moved in favour of red in 2024 as opposed to 2020. They can’t all have their heads in the sand and be wrong. They just want a person better suited to do a good job, which clearly is Trump.

Perhaps they’re aware that the media painting is all hyperbole and nobody’s rights will be infringed.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Americans are sick of Democrats talking the talk. Women, black Americans, hispanics and asians all moved in favour of red in 2024 as opposed to 2020. They can’t all have their heads in the sand and be wrong. They just want a person better suited to do a good job, which clearly is Trump.

Perhaps they’re aware that the media painting is all hyperbole and nobody’s rights will be infringed.

So your not going to refute anything I said merely deflect to assumptions that Trump will be better. It shouldn't matter.

 

[Bloods86]

Americans are sick of Democrats talking the talk. Women, black Americans, hispanics and asians all moved in favour of red in 2024 as opposed to 2020. They can’t all have their heads in the sand and be wrong. They just want a person better suited to do a good job, which clearly is Trump.

Perhaps they’re aware that the media painting is all hyperbole and nobody’s rights will be infringed.

You are correct that groups moved away from Democrats. But that's it.

The rest is opinion, based on very little.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

The big 5 main reasons IMHO For The Democrats Loss:
1) Inflation, cost of living
2) Illegal immigration/Border failure
3) Persecuting Trump and making him a Martyr to re-follow and support against the establishment.
(only works if the target caves or in countries with complete control of the justice system).
4) Hiding Biden's cognitive deficiency and getting caught without enough time to hold an actual candidate competition to select a real, talented, Democrat leader.
5) Radical leftists gaining too much control.

Wasn't Puerto Rico called a floating island of garbage? Yet somehow a slip of the tongue by Biden takes precedence over that. Shows that enough people agree with that assessment of Puerto Rico clearly. If your going to use comments somebody said make sure the other side is a cleanskin. Otherwise it's contradictory and double standards. But than again that doesn't matter as the right can spin their way out of any problem yet the left get held to a different standard by the electorate and the media.

 

[Bloods86]

The big 5 main reasons IMHO For The Democrats Loss:
1) Inflation, cost of living
2) Illegal immigration/Border failure
3) Persecuting Trump and making him a Martyr to re-follow and support against the establishment.
(only works if the target caves or in countries with complete control of the justice system).
4) Hiding Biden's cognitive deficiency and getting caught without enough time to hold an actual candidate competition to select a real, talented, Democrat leader.
5) Radical leftists gaining too much control.

Immigration and the economy were definitely factors, although I'd argue perception on who would do a better job on the economy is different than reality. Similarly a lot of misinformation regarding immigrants is taken as gospel by some. Whichever party was in power would have been saddled with the (global) inflation blame.

Trump absolutely deserved persecution for his crimes and his actions after 2020. There should be no apologies made, even if voters didn't know or care.

Biden should have stepped aside much earlier yes.

Point 5 is ridiculous, was a reasonable post until that point. If you know anything about global politics and the actual left-wing, you'd know the Dems are still a centrist/centre-right party for the most part, with a minority of centre-left/left (and zero far left) reps/senators. Just because you hear/read conservatives calling them scary names, does not make it true.

 

[geoffjennings79]

he even won the popular vote

Popular vote 2016:
Trump 62,984,828
Clinton 65,853,514

Popular vote 2020:
Biden 81,283,501
Trump 74,223,975

Popular vote 2024:
Trump 72,560,841
Harris 67,878,826

2020 approx 27 million more voted than 2016.

2024 approx 15 million LESS voted than 2020.
Trump's vote decreased by nearly 1.7 million. Dems dropped neaely 13.5 million from Biden to Harris.

There are over 15 million disengaged voters from last time. Majority Dems.

Trump didn't do better.

Dem voters didn't migrate en masse to vote GOP.

Dems fell off a cliff.

 

[fs88]

What a wild 24 hours. My 2 cents:

- Democrats/Labor need to realise that 1x elite vote shares the same weight as 1x vote from an everyday person. In hindsight, Trump’s grocery publicity stunt regarding inflation would’ve cut through to well more people than any Beyoncé song could. Getting grass roots support is vital.

- At the end of the day, we know majority of people are extremely selfish and their first interests are to look after themselves first no matter the cost. This is why the rest of the world have barely blinked an eyelid for Gaza/Ukraine - it doesn’t directly affect them so they don’t care. But raise their bills by $50 a week and it’s personal. And they’ll elect literally anyone if it means that they will have a chance of getting their $50 back.

Makes you wonder what Labor’s strategy is at the moment because right now they’re just Liberals-lite without the blatant corruption and not making any new friends to the left or right of the spectrum.

 

[Rob R]

The big 5 main reasons IMHO For The Democrats Loss:
1) Inflation, cost of living
2) Illegal immigration/Border failure
3) Persecuting Trump and making him a Martyr to re-follow and support against the establishment.
(only works if the target caves or in countries with complete control of the justice system).
4) Hiding Biden's cognitive deficiency and getting caught without enough time to hold an actual candidate competition to select a real, talented, Democrat leader.
5) Radical leftists gaining too much control.

1, 2 and 4 are reasons- 2 mainly because of 1.

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[Present Not Past]

It didn’t hurt that Trump had Murdoch’s conservative propaganda machine right behind him and running block for him against other media outlets.
Or that the wealthiest man in the world, who also happens to own his own social network, decided to throw his support behind him as well.
Just saying

 

[Rob R]

Popular vote 2016:
Trump 62,984,828
Clinton 65,853,514

Popular vote 2020:
Biden 81,283,501
Trump 74,223,975

Popular vote 2024:
Trump 72,560,841
Harris 67,878,826

2020 approx 27 million more voted than 2016.

2024 approx 15 million LESS voted than 2020.
Trump's vote decreased by nearly 1.7 million. Dems dropped neaely 13.5 million from Biden to Harris.

There are over 15 million disengaged voters from last time. Majority Dems.

Trump didn't do better.

Dem voters didn't migrate en masse to vote GOP.

Dems fell off a cliff.

The perils of voluntary voting, I wonder how many of those 15 million are now or will soon be regretting it.

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[Not Important]

Identity politics always. America didn’t reject black women. They rejected Kamala Harris

 

[Not Important]

Identity politics always. America didn’t reject black women. They rejected Kamala Harris

had you followed the election process via authentic sources rather than just “truth social”, you'd know misogyny and racism are thriving in the us. but i get you baulking at accepting that reality.

 

[troybe]

USA! USA!

 

[Bloods86]

It didn’t hurt that Trump had Murdoch’s conservative propaganda machine right behind him and running block for him against other media outlets.
Or that the wealthiest man in the world, who also happens to own his own social network, decided to throw his support behind him as well.
Just saying

I think Fox is less influential these days, though still with older generations.

The conservative "independent media" space is massive though, lots of money in it. The Daily Wire, Tim Pool, Rogan, PBD, Dave Rubin, and a host of of other podcasts and shows. If you aren't paid lots of money to spread conservative views you already hold, you can see the financial opportunities that come with that space and move into it.

Plus as has been mentioned, the Sinclairs of the world owning local stations, talkback radio etc.

 

[Tadpole]

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USA! USA!

When they were handing out brains, he thought they said trains, and he turned up late and missed his entirely.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The big 5 main reasons IMHO For The Democrats Loss:
1) Inflation, cost of living
2) Illegal immigration/Border failure
3) Persecuting Trump and making him a Martyr to re-follow and support against the establishment.
(only works if the target caves or in countries with complete control of the justice system).
4) Hiding Biden's cognitive deficiency and getting caught without enough time to hold an actual candidate competition to select a real, talented, Democrat leader.
5) Radical leftists gaining too much control.

Regarding the video, it never ceases to amaze me that any member of the working class who is voting on the economy thinks that a rich person who spent his last term giving tax cuts to other rich people is exactly what is needed to make their lives better. If that's what the backlash of ignored average working class people is economically, then the US has failed miserably at educating its people on economics.

Something I felt wasn't talked about enough during this election (mainly the fault of the Harris campaign) is how Trump's mass increases of tariffs is likely to exacerbate the cost of living crisis, not reduce it, because of how much the US imports cheap goods from China. I wonder if Trump will actually go through with it, given the short-term effect it will have.

 

[Saint]

The big 5 main reasons IMHO For The Democrats Loss:
1) Inflation, cost of living
2) Illegal immigration/Border failure
3) Persecuting Trump and making him a Martyr to re-follow and support against the establishment.
(only works if the target caves or in countries with complete control of the justice system).
4) Hiding Biden's cognitive deficiency and getting caught without enough time to hold an actual candidate competition to select a real, talented, Democrat leader.
5) Radical leftists gaining too much control.

1 and 2 are the same thing. And they're most of it.

The GOP and Trump are blaming immigrants for all their cost of living problems, from suppressing wages to stealing social security. None of that is true and Trump isn't going to deport 600 plane loads of immigrants per day for 4 years (20 million).

Inflation has been stifled already, so Trump will benefit from that. The Dems were talking like they'd solved everything, but peoples' pockets were still hurting. That's why Dem voters didn't show up, they were being told that it would be more-of-the-same from the Dems and as far as people could tell, it hasn't worked.

But Trump isn't running for election again, so he won't care if he stuffs things up, he's just going to get his money and get out.

He'll spend the whole time demonising immigrants while enriching himself and those around him. Tariffs on EVs to support Musk, cutting aid to Ukraine for Putin, continuing the genocide with Netanyahu.

 

[CarnTheScray]

What a wild 24 hours. My 2 cents:

- Democrats/Labor need to realise that 1x elite vote shares the same weight as 1x vote from an everyday person. In hindsight, Trump’s grocery publicity stunt regarding inflation would’ve cut through to well more people than any Beyoncé song could. Getting grass roots support is vital.

- At the end of the day, we know majority of people are extremely selfish and their first interests are to look after themselves first no matter the cost. This is why the rest of the world have barely blinked an eyelid for Gaza/Ukraine - it doesn’t directly affect them so they don’t care. But raise their bills by $50 a week and it’s personal. And they’ll elect literally anyone if it means that they will have a chance of getting their $50 back.

Makes you wonder what Labor’s strategy is at the moment because right now they’re just Liberals-lite without the blatant corruption and not making any new friends to the left or right of the spectrum.

We are just lucky the Liberal Party do not have anyone capable of forming a cult of personality around themselves. They are all charisma vacuums.

Eventually what has happened to the US will happen to us, probably as soon as the next federal election. Like you said, the average voter only votes based on the state of their wallet. If they feel the currently elected party is responsible for things such as lower income, higher taxes and inflation (even though none of these may even be true or even the fault of the party), they will vote them out.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I wonder who them Dems can put up in 2028 who knows what they're talking about with economics but are also offering change from the status quo. Bernie is too old. I like Merkley but he'll probably also be too old. Maybe Gallego or Pritzker.

 

[Not Important]

Popular vote 2016:
Trump 62,984,828
Clinton 65,853,514

Popular vote 2020:
Biden 81,283,501
Trump 74,223,975

Popular vote 2024:
Trump 72,560,841
Harris 67,878,826

2020 approx 27 million more voted than 2016.

2024 approx 15 million LESS voted than 2020.
Trump's vote decreased by nearly 1.7 million. Dems dropped neaely 13.5 million from Biden to Harris.

There are over 15 million disengaged voters from last time. Majority Dems.

Trump didn't do better.

Dem voters didn't migrate en masse to vote GOP.

Dems fell off a cliff.

comparatively he did. and at a time when his many flaws were more evident and when he regularly spoke in tongues displaying how dysfunctional he was.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I wonder who them Dems can put up in 2028 who knows what they're talking about with economics but are also offering change from the status quo. Bernie is too old. I like Merkley but he'll probably also be too old. Maybe Gallego or Pritzker.

Maybe they could try having real primaries instead of just annointing someone

The best candidate emerges from the primaries

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[Bloods86]

Regarding the video, it never ceases to amaze me that any member of the working class who is voting on the economy thinks that a rich person who spent his last term giving tax cuts to other rich people is exactly what is needed to make their lives better. If that's what the backlash of ignored average working class people is economically, then the US has failed miserably at educating its people on economics.

Something I felt wasn't talked about enough during this election (mainly the fault of the Harris campaign) is how Trump's mass increases of tariffs is likely to exacerbate the cost of living crisis, not reduce it, because of how much the US imports cheap goods from China. I wonder if Trump will actually go through with it, given the short-term effect it will have.

There is a reason why Republicans want to sabotage the education system.

 

[CarnTheScray]

So your not going to refute anything I said merely deflect to assumptions that Trump will be better. It shouldn't matter.

That is his strategy. Ask him for a source on anything and he will focus on something else you said entirely to avoid it or just ignore it completely.

The conservative way.