2024 Rolling ALL-Australian Team

[Dewyyyyy]

Dylan Moore

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Dylan Moore

Age

24

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.1

2star

HB

6.7

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

just has to be AA this season.

Vs West Coast

29 disposals 16 kicks 12 marks 86%
2 goals 3 goal assists 11 score involvements
6 inside 50s

Averages
18.8 disposals
1.6 goals
1.0 goal assists
6.6 score involvements
3.6 tackles

Stengle averages
13.7 disposals
2.1 goals
0.8 goal assists
6.1 score involvements
2 tackles

Vs Essendon
10 disposals 3 goals 1 goal assist 5 score involvements

Rankine averages
19.3 disposals
2.0 goals
1.0 goal assists
6.0 score involvements
3.6 tackles

Vs GWS
27 disposals 14 contested 20 kicks 7 marks 59%
2 goals 3 behinds 1 goal assist 9 score involvements
6 clearances 8 inside 50s

Rankine and Moore are clearly the two best smalls at this stage, Stengle just behind.

Warner - Curnow - Heeney
Rankine - Waterman - Moore

 

[Dewyyyyy]

And who are the top 5 mids for clangers this season?

Gulden
Cripps
N Daicos
Warner
Oliver

Scrub all of them from the AA team?

Cripps clearly AA starting midfielder, would be top 5 Brownlow easily, been superb.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Sicily again staking a claim and moving closer this weekend. Clear BOG before going off injured prior to 3 quarter time. 21 touches, 11 marks, 7 intercepts, 9 score involvements, won every contest he was in and had sublime kicking that led to goals. Played on a mixture of Waterman and Darling and conceded 0 scores and 0 possessions to his opponents, with West Coast not taking a single mark inside 50 for the entire time Sicily was on the ground (and took a fair few in the last quarter once he was off). Like a couple of others, needs to be playing every game though.

Dylan Moore also strengthened his chances with 29 possessions and 2 goals. Rankine did too. I'd love to see both those guys rewarded moreso than the usual midfielders.

If Sicily plays the rest of the season with current form, he makes it in a canter. Three quarters and even sitting out the last he would’ve easily been in the top 5 on the ground.

 

[eth-dog]

Dylan Moore just has to be AA this season.

Vs West Coast

29 disposals 16 kicks 12 marks 86%
2 goals 3 goal assists 11 score involvements
6 inside 50s

Averages
18.8 disposals
1.6 goals
1.0 goal assists
6.6 score involvements
3.6 tackles

Stengle averages
13.7 disposals
2.1 goals
0.8 goal assists
6.1 score involvements
2 tackles

Vs Essendon
10 disposals 3 goals 1 goal assist 5 score involvements

Rankine averages
19.3 disposals
2.0 goals
1.0 goal assists
6.0 score involvements
3.6 tackles

Vs GWS
27 disposals 14 contested 20 kicks 7 marks 59%
2 goals 3 behinds 1 goal assist 9 score involvements
6 clearances 8 inside 50s

Rankine and Moore are clearly the two best smalls at this stage, Stengle just behind.

Warner - Curnow - Heeney
Rankine - Waterman - Moore

Goals and goal assists combined:

Stengle 43 (equal 3rd)
Toby Greene 40 (equal 8th)
Dylan Moore 39 (equal 12th)
Bobby Hill 37 (16th)
Izak Rankine 36 (equal 17th)

Stengle clearly the best small forward, Toby Greene second.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Holmes Weitering Blakey
Zorko Andrews Clark
Gulden Cripps(C) Walsh
Warner Waterman Moore
Rankine Curnow Stengle
Gawn Heeney Bontempelli (VC)

Daniher N.Daicos Merrett Serong

Merrett getting very close to departing for a Neale, Treloar or Anderson type. Bombers look to be falling apart post bye again which will damage his chances but I'd like to see him maintain his form and make the team. He tries his guts out every week.

 

[marcmurphy3]

I think Rankine, Stengle and Moore would be the 3 in contention, in that order. They will pick at least 1, maybe 2 but no guarantee.

Issue with Moore is his goal numbers. They aren't very high for an All-Australian small forward. You can argue, about his up the ground impact, but in that case, you could just pick a mid who has kicked similar goals with more disposals.

If you are going to be picked as a specialist forward you want to be kicking 45+ goals.

Though if the Hawks continue their run, I could see a marginal call going his way. Selectors usually like to reward players from teams who have gone well, and he would be the strongest Hawk candidate for mine.

 

[marcmurphy3]

Updated Team

B: J.McGovern Weitering Newman
HB: Zorko Andrews Blakey
C: Gulden Cripps Merrett
HF: Warner Daniher Heeney
F: Rankine Curnow King
OB: Grundy Bontompelli Daicos
IC: Serong Walsh Gawn Stengle

Next In: Neale

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Goals and goal assists combined:

Stengle 43 (equal 3rd)
Toby Greene 40 (equal 8th)
Dylan Moore 39 (equal 12th)
Bobby Hill 37 (16th)
Izak Rankine 36 (equal 17th)

Stengle clearly the best small forward, Toby Greene second.

The role of a small forward is not just “x goals x goal assists”

Stengle is a pure pocket player, he is great around goals. But comparing him to Moore, Rankine, Greene etc who do more up the ground, it is more than just goal/goal assists

Greene is one I forgot, who’s also in the conversation.

Moore and Rankine clearly 1/2 at this stage, they do just as much offensively but do more around the ball and defensively, especially in Moores case as the true high link half forward. (Rankine has played a fair chunk of CBAs).

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I think Rankine, Stengle and Moore would be the 3 in contention, in that order. They will pick at least 1, maybe 2 but no guarantee.

Issue with Moore is his goal numbers. They aren't very high for an All-Australian small forward. You can argue, about his up the ground impact, but in that case, you could just pick a mid who has kicked similar goals with more disposals.

If you are going to be picked as a specialist forward you want to be kicking 45+ goals.

Though if the Hawks continue their run, I could see a marginal call going his way. Selectors usually like to reward players from teams who have gone well, and he would be the strongest Hawk candidate for mine.

Moore has kicked 24 goals, would be on track for about 40-40+ and averaging 20 odd a game.

The only midfielders kicking goals at this level are Heeney, Warner and Bont who are all locks.

Get the point as the true high half forward role is one that is extremely hard to play, and never rewarded with any real awards or limelight.

Moore has been exceptionally good however and being in the conversation with the team going the way it is, he’d be more likely than not to finish with 40+ goals and 20 disposals a game which would be a lock.

Rankine is the other who I think is a lock despite missing the few games, has been unbelievably good this year, Stengle would be third behind those two with Greene and maybe Stringer/Hill types behind them.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Holmes Weitering Blakey
Zorko Andrews Clark
Gulden Cripps(C) Walsh
Warner Waterman Moore
Rankine Curnow Stengle
Gawn Heeney Bontempelli (VC)

Daniher N.Daicos Merrett Serong

Merrett getting very close to departing for a Neale, Treloar or Anderson type. Bombers look to be falling apart post bye again which will damage his chances but I'd like to see him maintain his form and make the team. He tries his guts out every week.

I really liked his interview earlier in the year talking about being known for consistent performance and that’s all he wants. Which is an incredible message for all aspiring players.

 

[eth-dog]

The role of a small forward is not just “x goals x goal assists”

Stengle is a pure pocket player, he is great around goals. But comparing him to Moore, Rankine, Greene etc who do more up the ground, it is more than just goal/goal assists

Greene is one I forgot, who’s also in the conversation.

Moore and Rankine clearly 1/2 at this stage, they do just as much offensively but do more around the ball and defensively, especially in Moores case as the true high link half forward. (Rankine has played a fair chunk of CBAs).

Goals and goal assists combined has always been the #1 measure. Only one year has the #1 small forward in this statistic from 2018 until now hasn't been selected was two years ago, where Stengle in third got the nod over Cameron.

Stengle is a clear first. Greene is second. Moore a close third. Bobby Hill fourth and Rankine fifth.

You add disposals because you want the Hawks player to be ahead. Also, wouldn't the fact that Stengle has 2/3 of the disposals that Moore and Rankine do, and still is neck and neck with them in terms of goal assists and score involvements show how much more damaging he is in comparison?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Goals and goal assists combined has always been the #1 measure. Only one year has the #1 small forward in this statistic from 2018 until now hasn't been selected was two years ago, where Stengle in third got the nod over Cameron.

Stengle is a clear first. Greene is second. Moore a close third. Bobby Hill fourth and Rankine fifth.

You add disposals because you want the Hawks player to be ahead. Also, wouldn't the fact that Stengle has 2/3 of the disposals that Moore and Rankine do, and still is neck and neck with them in terms of goal assists and score involvements show how much more damaging he is in comparison?

Oh my days.

“You’re adding this stat to make it look better to suit your agenda”

No it is literally the fact 43 and 40/39 etc are SFA difference, and the difference in disposal and other metrics in which other players are out performing Stengle, means just doing goals and goal assists is incredibly close minded.

The extra disposals, tackling and impact Rankine and Moore have in particular makes them better than Stengle due to the minuscule difference in “goals/goal assists”.

Rankines impact around the ball and his pressure is extra on his goal kicking and scoring prowess, as is Moore and his workrate as a link man and occasional centre bounce and stoppage work.

Ill also add that Toby Greene isn’t far off either.

 

[baggersrflaggers]

This is why no one respects Carlton supporters. You are telling me his ball use is fantastic for a midfielder but he is the no.1 midfielder in league for clangers. There is no proper reasoning with you guys, it’s just shove navy blue down our throat.

Nick Daicos has two less than Cripps and Gulden has the same as Cripps. Two of the most beautiful kicks in the comp but are in the top 3 mids for clangers? Your point is flawed. For a contested, inside midfielder, Cripps’ ball use has been amazing.

 

[eth-dog]

Oh my days.

“You’re adding this stat to make it look better to suit your agenda”

No it is literally the fact 43 and 40/39 etc are SFA difference, and the difference in disposal and other metrics in which other players are out performing Stengle, means just doing goals and goal assists is incredibly close minded.

The extra disposals, tackling and impact Rankine and Moore have in particular makes them better than Stengle due to the minuscule difference in “goals/goal assists”.

Rankines impact around the ball and his pressure is extra on his goal kicking and scoring prowess, as is Moore and his workrate as a link man and occasional centre bounce and stoppage work.

Ill also add that Toby Greene isn’t far off either.

What a massive melt.

It's not a big difference, you're right. However the fact is, ever since I've listed the stat, the two or three key forward spots and the one or two small forward spots, with 2022 being the exception, have gone to the key forwards leading the stat and the small forwards leading the stat.

Dewy the new blaisee.

 

[theasian]

Stengle is the True Forward Pocket, Moore the High half Forward and Rankine the Forward-Mid type.

Wouldn't mind all three being selected - Two in the team, one on the bench, but most probably only two will be selected.

 

[HeHateMe]

Stengle is the True Forward Pocket, Moore the High half Forward and Rankine the Forward-Mid type.

Wouldn't mind all three being selected - Two in the team, one on the bench, but most probably only two will be selected.

This is spot on and backed up by Center Bounce Attendance (CBA) numbers.

Rankine
CBA - 10.5
CBA % - 40%

Moore
CBA - 5.1
CBA % - 19%

Stengle
CBA - 0.1
CBA % - 0.4%

 

[tommyk72]

Newcombe, Day and Worpel were very good too. If Hawks continue their current trajectory and finish top 4, they could have 5 players in the team.

Hawks will never have 5 players AA. I don’t think even our three-peat team has that. 1-2 at best this year. Our spread is too even.

 

[Mr Meow]

Hawks will never have 5 players AA. I don’t think even our three-peat team has that. 1-2 at best this year. Our spread is too even.

Yeah that Hawthorn side was ripped off, so I do understand Hawks supporters being salty about Geelong AA numbers over the years.

I was being a little bit cheeky anyway, it was taking the p*** out of the AA role call for any team on a hot streak. It makes sense though, if Hawks were to make finals the likelihood of some others being at least in squad contention will go up. But Moore (mainly) and Sicily (smokey) would be the two genuine threats for the 22.

 

[Sphynx]

Grundy and Gawn miles ahead

Define miles, back it up with more than the vibe please

 

[Pomsta]

Weitering 6 one on ones this weekend for 0 losses taking his % down to 5.3%

He wasn't even the best full back on the ground. Plus his opponent kicked 3 goals. Did he just play him loose so he didn't have one on ones?

 

[RonnieRaven]

And who are the top 5 mids for clangers this season?

Gulden
Cripps
N Daicos
Warner
Oliver

Scrub all of them from the AA team?

Serong not there but
top 5 for contested possesions
2nd for possessions
Clear number 1 for clearances

 

[gandaal]

Serong not there but
top 5 for contested possesions
2nd for possessions
Clear number 1 for clearances

Clear number 1? He's only ahead by two, and in centre clearances he's actually well behind in third.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Clear number 1? He's only ahead by two, and in centre clearances he's actually well behind in third.

My mistake I didn’t realise I wrote centre clearances (because I didn’t)
He is 10 clear in total clearances

 

[KermitJagger]

Goals and goal assists combined:

Stengle 43 (equal 3rd)
Toby Greene 40 (equal 8th)
Dylan Moore 39 (equal 12th)
Bobby Hill 37 (16th)
Izak Rankine 36 (equal 17th)

Stengle clearly the best small forward, Toby Greene second.

There's a lot more than this to factor in.

Dylan Moore is the better defensive player than the two ahead of him - both in terms of tackles and pressure acts, he's the better ball user, he's second to Toby in terms of overall team score involvement % and he's doing it in a forward line where he's competing with Connor Macdonald, Jack Ginnivan, Nick Watson and at times Luke Breust. That means that both Stengle and Greene are the more targeted players and get more opportunities. He's also higher rated by Champion Data for whatever that's worth.

In terms of me being a bit biased, I also think he's harder working than both and pops up in important moments as well as Greene, definitely better than Stengle.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Serong is second for centre bounce clearance behind daicos.
But 24th for CBA 10 less than daicos, nearly 50 less than cripps.