List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Player moves

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (67) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	TBC

 

[Flawed Genius]

Daniel is small. He is a nice neat kick but he ain’t a penetrating kick. He struggles one on one. I wouldn’t call him the fastest small dude around. He was in and out of the Dogs line up. Not the sort of player I’d be chasing. :stern look

Certainly not for four years.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Daniel is small. He is a nice neat kick but he ain’t a penetrating kick. He struggles one on one. I wouldn’t call him the fastest small dude around. He was in and out of the Dogs line up. Not the sort of player I’d be chasing. :stern look

It has ‘cluster****’ written all over it.

A bloke standing 5’6 who can’t defend in a side that leaks like a sieve in transition.

Phwoar.

 

[JGreezy]

A 4 year deal would contract Daniel through his age 31 season. It's not like he's already 32 years old.

It really depends what he's paid in the last two years.

 

[scottywiper]

He does indeed.

My man! Lol

 

[Roosurgence]

I guess you gotta show you won't be a pushover at least publicly in your first time in the role.
Andrew Mackey was talking pretty similar stuff in his first year.

The problem is that everyone knows that it’s all for show or that you are just a campaigner.

 

[bennymate]

A baller that can’t defend one on one and is the worst aerial defender in the league?

Big upgrade on Zac Fisher and he brings experience, it also frees up Sheez and Colby forward of the ball. I can see why we're going for him, Houston won't happen.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Remember the elite talents you picked up at 7 + 8 in the 2017 draft?

Imagine if you traded up for Brayshaw or LDU...



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Oh dear, yes they would have been saying the same thing back in 2017, why trade up, when we can get TWO ELITE PLAYERS IN THIS DRAFT, the only problem with that, is you get two good players and hope they both work out, now if they had of traded up for REAL ELITE players, they could of had Brayshaw or LDU, I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but if St Kilda think they can get two elite midfielders at picks 7 and 8 then by all means try your luck, you may get one but highly doubtful you get two and it may not be the player you want.

So many times, teams with more than one first rounder try and play it safe instead of going all out for the real elite talent in a draft, if you want that star mid you've got the picks to make it happen, if you want two good players and hope one or both can get there then if years down the track they don't work out don't whinge about them if they don't make it because you had the chance again to grab that star midfielder that you guys crave for and went the same way!

 

[deano28]

We were targeting Fisher well before the compensation package was announced

And if we didn’t get the package we would’ve paid less

 

[hilly]

I too have an interest in Margort Gobbie

I expect a deal to get done

Send her a fax Grandpa.

 

[archereleven]

If we pick up Daniel, he will be the HB distributor, and Fish should move into a small fwd role.

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[ferball]

A mechanism to get a useable pick, remember we got fisher and a pick in the 20s for a pick in the 20s we had to trade

We got Fisher and pick 17 (that turned into pick 22) for a pick that ended up as pick 29. So yeah, we got a seven pick upgrade that became Wil Dawson from taking Fisher on and he hasn't been that bad either. Just not great.

 

[Devington]

I want to say Daniel for 4 years is insanity BUT we literally only have a half dozen players with a contract for 2028. We also have a list still filled with subpar or questionable talent, which means a lot more list spots will open up over time. If Daniel helps improve us enough in the short term that we can become attractive enough to become a destination for even better players, then I'd probably cop having him spend the latter half of his contract in the VFL.

Food for thought.

 

[BrownPaperBag]

I want to say Daniel for 4 years is insanity BUT we literally only have a half dozen players with a contract for 2028. We also have a list still filled with subpar or questionable talent, which means a lot more list spots will open up over time. If Daniel helps improve us enough in the short term that we can become attractive enough to become a destination for even better players, then I'd probably cop having him spend the latter half of his contract in the VFL.

Food for thought.

This was kinda my point

 

[hilly]

We got Fisher and pick 17 (that turned into pick 22) for a pick that ended up as pick 29. So yeah, we got a seven pick upgrade that became Wil Dawson from taking Fisher on and he hasn't been that bad either. Just not great.

It was Fisher and 17 for 21 and 25.

 

[Tas]

Clearly you watched a different interview to what I watched. He was perfectly okay as far as I was concerned. Did you watch any other of the recruiters?

I watched a few others, they seemed okay to me. I didn't watch them all. I dislike speaking to an audience so I feel his pain. We don't have to put him in front of the camera though, Shiels is also working with that group, he speaks well, we can get him to do the interviews. We aren't doing Rawlings any favours if he is uncomfortable in front of the camera. There isn't really a requirement to do the speaking for a list management role so I don't know why we keep putting him through it. Anyway, it is just my opinion.

From what I saw, they were all pretty much on a par. None of them are paid to speak articulately and be the guest speaker at an Awards night or something. Rather they are paid to get the best possible recruiting outcomes for their clubs. (Whether or not they achieve that is a very different discussion.)

Many aspects of the job are hard to judge without the benefit of hindsight, it isn't an easy job and for the most part I think he has done okay given where the club is at, a few trades I am not so hot with but it is what it is.