List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 11th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.

Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Merlin007]

Not having Drew and Wells finish at North was unforgivable. Retiring Harvey was unforgivable and stupid.

This is why I say the rot set in when the Board agreed to Scott's strategy at the end of 2016. Any coach coming to the Board and saying we need to forcibly retire "fabric of the club" players like Harvey and Dish should have been told to pack his bags.

The hole we're in is first and foremost a set of governance failures beginning in 2016

 

[DesertRoo]

Now we aren't even being mentioned as a distant fourth option. Genuinely for the sake of both Rawlings and the club's dignity, pull our offer and move on. He's a great player and would be a wonderful get but is clearly not interested in playing for the club. Move on

No more "we're hoping to be involved". It's kind of sad

Read the room Brady

 

[William Caresser]

The one bit of list management buffoonery that doesn't get as much coverage was delisting Harvey, Petrie, Firrito, and Dal Santo without having Daniel Wells' signature on a new contract. Wellsy didn't get on the park as often as Collingwood would have liked but still, it remains a lesson in mismanagement. If you're going to cut deep into your leadership, make sure that the ones you want to keep are locked in.

Sure - that was very poorly handled. The side was flying for the first half of 2016 before those players got an inkling.

I was more referring to the culls since the big one in 2020 and which senior players we let go who might've made a difference in the dark years since.

 

[spurs]

So, with Parker, Houston, and to a lesser extent, Darling, and natural progression of the list, you can't see any improvement occurring?

Board the joint up then I guess

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We’re not going to finish 9th -12

 

[DocSholl]

Pretty sure Wells still would have stayed if Walsh wasn't a prick to him

 

[Marstermind]

He also actually has some super insightful reads of the game and players. If only he wasn’t so egotistical and knew the meaning of every word he said.

He is a useful and insightful meme football commentator.

His commentary of the North/Suns game earlier this year was elite. He openly enjoyed the game despite it not being a 'blockbuster'. He appreciated the skills of both sides even though neither were at the pointy end of the ladder, and didn't downplay the mistakes overly. Best of all, he doesn't speak in soundbites and cliches and knows the game inside out. If he wasn't such a colossal flog on the ground 30+ years ago I'd just about like him.

His take on Luke Parker is spot on. The bloke has given great service to the Swans, he owes them nothing and he's not in their long term plans. Don't be dicks. Clarko and Horse are mates aren't they? Time to piss the list managers off and let the coaches just work it out.

 

[Nutjob]

Pretty sure Wells still would have stayed if Walsh wasn't a prick to him

Not give him 2 years when his body was cooked?


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[giantroo]

The Dogs want a top 10 pick for Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

.

 

[Rooniversity]

His commentary of the North/Suns game earlier this year was elite. He openly enjoyed the game despite it not being a 'blockbuster'. He appreciated the skills of both sides even though neither were at the pointy end of the ladder, and didn't downplay the mistakes overly. Best of all, he doesn't speak in soundbites and cliches and knows the game inside out. If he wasn't such a colossal flog on the ground 30+ years ago I'd just about like him.

His take on Luke Parker is spot on. The bloke has given great service to the Swans, he owes them nothing and he's not in their long term plans. Don't be dicks. Clarko and Horse are mates aren't they? Time to piss the list managers off and let the coaches just work it out.

His commentary of McKercher's run (bringing other commentators' attention to it too) was pretty good in that game. "This is quick movement!" Such a cracking highlight.

 

[DocSholl]

Not give him 2 years when his body was cooked?


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From memory it was less that and more Walsh arrogantly telling him to look elsewhere. He was a 250 game, two time Syd Barker medallist, you have to manage contract talks with those guys respectfully.

No doubt it would have been irresponsible to match the Pies deal though.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The Dogs want a top 10 pick for Bailey Smith.

Normally he would be worth that. Post injury, I don’t know.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

His commentary of McKercher's run (bringing other commentators' attention to it too) was pretty good in that game. "This is quick movement!" Such a cracking highlight.

Was even better at the ground as the crowd swelled with cheers.

 

[Marstermind]

Not having Drew and Wells finish at North was unforgivable. Retiring Harvey was unforgivable and stupid.

Retiring Boomer, and the timing and handling is the worst stuff up in a litany of North stuff ups in the last ten years. Whatever Brad was thinking, it's shameful that no one else in power at the club at the time put the brakes on such a terrible call.

Drewy was cooked. Of the 4 players delisted, it's amazing he was the only one who played on.

Wells was an unrestricted free agent who'd played less than half the games over the last three years and well less than half in three years at Collingwood. He was done.

 

[LB2Snake]

Clearly on my own here, but I love dermi. One of the few who breaks the game down properly and doesn’t play favourites with clubs.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

This is why I say the rot set in when the Board agreed to Scott's strategy at the end of 2016. Any coach coming to the Board and saying we need to forcibly retire "fabric of the club" players like Harvey and Dish should have been told to pack his bags.

The hole we're in is first and foremost a set of governance failures beginning in 2016

The only consolation is that he may not have learned anything and leaves the Bombers in the same disarray.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Clearly on my own here, but I love dermi. One of the few who breaks the game down properly and doesn’t play favourites with clubs.

He is just a lover of football.

 

[Merlin007]

The Dogs want a top 10 pick for Bailey Smith.

Excellent. Carry on.

Out of contract, no?

 

[archereleven]

If we can expect:

- similar+ years from Xerri, LDU, Larkey

- 10-20% improvement from Wardlaw, Sheezel, McKercher, Duursma, Archer, RHJ, Comben, Powell, Curtis, Ford

-20% improvement from Simpkin, Zurhaar and Corr (ie. don’t play them when they’re underdone)

-AND add in Parker & Darling to assist and develop the younger brigade,

THEN, at minimum we win 7-8 matches.

An early win is paramount to our season imo. If we can snatch a good win early, then who knows...

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[Heaps of fun]

I'm a big Dermie fan. He can get distracted from the play on occasion but he is knowledgeable, passionate and insightful.

 

[Rooniversity]

Was even better at the ground as the crowd swelled with cheers.

Indeed, I was there too. Watched the replay and enjoyed it again!

 

[Possession]

An early win is paramount to our season imo. If we can snatch a good win early, then who knows...

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Agreed, need a win against a decent team ASAP. No more wasting the first half of the season being belted. The losing quickly sets in like a rot.

Of course, we will probably be fixtured against four of this year's finalists in the first five rounds... but screw it, crack in.

 

[pupstar]

From memory it was less that and more Walsh arrogantly telling him to look elsewhere. He was a 250 game, two time Syd Barker medallist, you have to manage contract talks with those guys respectfully.

No doubt it would have been irresponsible to match the Pies deal though.

I hope Jy and D. mac gets the same respect when his time comes that you rightfully reckon Wells should have got.

 

[King Corey]

This is why I say the rot set in when the Board agreed to Scott's strategy at the end of 2016. Any coach coming to the Board and saying we need to forcibly retire "fabric of the club" players like Harvey and Dish should have been told to pack his bags.

The hole we're in is first and foremost a set of governance failures beginning in 2016

Boomer 5th in the 2016 B&F. We won the first 9 and played finals.

It was absolute short-sighted ageism.

 

[pupstar]

From memory it was less that and more Walsh arrogantly telling him to look elsewhere. He was a 250 game, two time Syd Barker medallist, you have to manage contract talks with those guys respectfully.

No doubt it would have been irresponsible to match the Pies deal though.

Sorry wrong key i meant Lmac obviously.

 

[Passmore]

We need a thread to bemoan past decisions.

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