List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 15th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[King Corey]

Roos get 6/10/11
Freo north’s future 1st
Tigers pick 2/23
Gold Coast Rioli

No thank you.

 

[Jeremy Jordan]

Our inability to land players later in the draft has been a major factor in us being bottom two for the last four years.

So if historically we struggle to hit picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round, wouldn’t it makes more sense to use one of those picks to get a known commodity in Daniel’s?

Now in saying all this, I dont actually want Daniels. What he gives us I’m not actually sure we need. But he is good at the role he plays.

Where my head space is, if we do pick him up and use pick 25, I’m not going to treat it like we have given up the chance to a draft a definite 150 game player. I’m gonna treat it like we have given up a pick not in the first round

 

[The Dingrel]

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I only just noted the gun,,,,I thought something else was going on there.

 

[Dan]

Don’t think we’ll be trading our pick 2.

Carlton wouldn’t have made the choice to trade for pick 3 if they weren’t confident of getting the draftee that they want. So that probably means that Richmond, North & Carlton are locked in as to who they want and I reckon those 3 clubs know because they’ve been talking to each other.

 

[chubbspeterson]

Do Tigers like FOS? If they do, they might pay up for Pick 2. Interesting 29 hours to come


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I reckon they might want FOS and Lalor combo at 1 & 2.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Is Barrett ******ed?

Claiming that the deal West Coast did with Carlton was ok because it positions them well next year, then reels off next years capital which is all their own and a maybe future for Barrass.

I reckon WC fans could rightfully be feeling pretty gaslit by pundits' response to that trade.

 

[Devski]

reading 10 pages of posts and the biggest news is our list managers brother got a new job.

 

[Event Horizon]

reading 10 pages of posts and the biggest news is our list managers brother got a new job.

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Which in itself is a big surprise, given the circumstances of how he left North assistant job

 

[The Nostradamus]

Don’t think we’ll be trading our pick 2.

Carlton wouldn’t have made the choice to trade for pick 3 if they weren’t confident of getting the draftee that they want. So that probably means that Richmond, North & Carlton are locked in as to who they want and I reckon those 3 clubs know because they’ve been talking to each other.

Blues tried to get 2 but settled for 3

Still expecting tigers to come for 2

 

[hilly]

So if historically we struggle to hit picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round, wouldn’t it makes more sense to use one of those picks to get a known commodity in Daniel’s?

Now in saying all this, I dont actually want Daniels. What he gives us I’m not actually sure we need. But he is good at the role he plays.

Where my head space is, if we do pick him up and use pick 25, I’m not going to treat it like we have given up the chance to a draft a definite 150 game player. I’m gonna treat it like we have given up a pick not in the first round

I hear ya Air Jordan. My preference is for us to get better at those picks.

 

[Sphynx]

Don’t think we’ll be trading our pick 2.

Carlton wouldn’t have made the choice to trade for pick 3 if they weren’t confident of getting the draftee that they want. So that probably means that Richmond, North & Carlton are locked in as to who they want and I reckon those 3 clubs know because they’ve been talking to each other.

Carlton have traded up for FOS. Who is also the cousin of Sam Walsh.

Far easier to get to #2 if we did intend to take FOS there from #3, than it is elsewhere.

 

[The Dingrel]

Makes sense why west coast did such a shit deal for pick 3. Im all in on this bullshittery chad. Let’s go!

Who's the stalking horse now Ralphy!

 

[Tas]

So if historically we struggle to hit picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round, wouldn’t it makes more sense to use one of those picks to get a known commodity in Daniel’s?

Now in saying all this, I dont actually want Daniels. What he gives us I’m not actually sure we need. But he is good at the role he plays.

Where my head space is, if we do pick him up and use pick 25, I’m not going to treat it like we have given up the chance to a draft a definite 150 game player. I’m gonna treat it like we have given up a pick not in the first round

I wouldn't blame our entire history of being unable to develop a lot of 2nd and 3rd round pick players on the current recruitment staff.

But it would help if the players we focused on with later round picks weren't 5-7 year physical long-term developmentally handicapped. It just takes us too long to get someone up to speed.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Ah it was fun while it lasted



Now lets see how Port gets rorted this time...

 

[Moti]

Pick swaps don't close tomorrow only player trades


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I know but if this period has proven anything, get things done early so someone doesn’t blow you up.


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[Ligma]

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

Carlton have traded up for FOS. Who is also the cousin of Sam Walsh.

Far easier to get to #2 if we did intend to take FOS there from #3, than it is elsewhere.

On draft night, they can trade up to pick 2 for a small fortune if they like.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Cleary stating the Houston to pies trade done

 

[Makeshift Park]

 

[BlueandWhiteinmyBlood]

So the average trade from yesterday with some minor improvements for port I’m guessing as they didn’t have the collective brain cells within the four walls of Alberton, so they tested the public’s opinion, it came back negative and they have since revised.

 

[Chadwiko]

Sounds like Port got absolutely fleeced in the Houston trade, because Houston only wanted to go to a big Vic club.

Schadenfreude.

 

[Sphynx]

On draft night, they can trade up to pick 2 for a small fortune if they like.

Yes, was part of the point.

Also, if Richmond want him to pair with Lalor (if that is the direction they go) vs Draper or even Langford etc, we hold some leverage there.

Pick 2 is not something we should be giving up unless it favors the NMFC.

Particularly if Victorian clubs are making the Vic midfielders a priority.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Thank god that’s over

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Agreed. Do not trade 2 or F1 for anyone or any pick. We are trading away a Sheezel, a Wardlaw or a McKercher if we do that. And we get back what exactly? An AA player with 4-5 years left in his career?

Let me ask this: would anyone prefer

Houston

over

J Smith
Lalor
O'Sullivan
Armstrong
Tauru
or the 2025 equivalent?

A high quality player with 4 to 5 years left at the top level versus a high quality player with 10-12 years left at the top level? It's nonsense to suggest the former option is better.

Take 2 to the draft and take F1 to next years' draft. Please.

Every draft is different. Outside of Ashcroft, I'm not confident there's a Sheezel, Wardlaw or McKercher in this draft. I've seen people say that if McKercher was in this draft, he would go pick 1.

 

[Flawed Genius]

God I wasted so much time posting about Houston and how he'd be great for us today. Such a shame to find out he's a shit player and would have been detrimental to Hardeman & Goater's development like this