List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R3 Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Colby Cheer Squad · 2024-10-16T09:15:25+1100

year of the roo said:
He might be lying to save face. Wouldn't surprise.

The media might have been lying about what we were offering. Wouldn't surprise.

This is what I was saying this time yesterday. Nobody knows what we offered for Houston or any other player. We are relying on the most unreliable people in the media. Trade week journalists are trawling Twitter for their stories. They run with every garbage rumour. We know it, we see it. But we are quick to believe when it suits.

I seriously don't think our offer for Houston was the best offer, either to the player in $$$ or to the club in trade value, and I don't think we were all that desperate to get him as a lot of people seemed to believe.

Only Forwards · 2024-10-16T09:15:26+1100

tazaa said:
It’s true we weren’t his preference.

I do not believe for a second we were ever really a legitimate shot. Port merely kept us around as a bargaining chip and because they knew if it ever really came to it they could and would get us to pay overs.

Unless a player can commit to us they probably aren't coming. I mean that has to be the overwhelmingly likely outcome to anything we put forward.

I mean right now we have a bloke that wants to come to us and we still haven't been able to get that deal done.

Instead we are focussing on what? A bloke who is slow short and kicks the ball sideways? Who hasn't nominated us.

I am sure that bringing in quality talent would force us through this quicker. I am almost certain that we are never going to be in a position to do that. Bigger clubs will always be more attractive to player managers. and we are hardly an attractive prospect on field for any player.

Our way out is to continue to build through the draft which means more pain.

buttsauce · 2024-10-16T09:15:27+1100

Frank Thring said:
Powell isn't slow

Then he’s a lazy ****.

Makeshift Park · 2024-10-16T09:16:14+1100

Tas said:
He assumed we want Tauru so will trade 2 for 6 and 18.

We could want Armstrong for all I know.

At the end of the day, Brady said he was prepared to slide a few spots for a compelling offer.

Other posters might not agree, but I reckon adding a Whitlock / Hannaford / Gerreyn / Berry to Armstrong or Tauru constitutes compelling.

I think everyone agrees that finishing the trade season with pick 2, Parker and Daniel would not be satisfactory.

The question I'm curious about is how can we realistically land our two remaining trade targets, while also getting a balanced bunch of good draft prospects.

If, in the process of answering that, people think I'm desperately offloading our draft hand for unders, so be it.

Passmore · 2024-10-16T09:17:10+1100

DocSholl said:
You could probably apply the same logic to what list managers say. Pretending Collingwoods offer was the strongest one is not very believable.

Absolutely. Logically it's hard to imagine anything Collingwood offered was better than what North offered. Picks, money....

No one would every have been in the belief that North was Houston's preference. Of course it was Carlton or Collingwood. It'd be mine if I was a footballer.

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New_Roo · 2024-10-16T09:17:18+1100

Tas said:
David King: Steak knives pick players do nothing.

Who was he referring to as steak knives... Daniel is certainly not steak knives and all four in fox footy thought Daniel was ideal

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The Filth Wizard · 2024-10-16T09:17:21+1100

krakouers said:
That was the pick we used on Goad?

Wil Dawson.

remfan101 · 2024-10-16T09:18:11+1100

FlyHigh18 said:
We’ve been trying to get Houston for over 5 years. Blues come along this trade period and he prefers them. Then pies come along last minute and he picks them.

“Not his first preference” is simply a polite way of saying he doesn’t want North. Bloke never has.

I also reckon Davies is lying about our offer being lower. He’s trying to save his ass re the shit deal they got.

The icing on the cake is Rawlings yesterday saying we’re still in the race and a good chance. Which confirms we probably made the best offer but also how gullible we are.

It’s all just fking depressing.

Our offer was actually lower, because the Power are shortsighted and only want picks in this draft. Hence us offering to swap the most valuable asset on the table (our F1) for pick 13. Our offer was probably pick 13 and a 3rd, whereas Collingwood got them pick 13 and two 2nds.

If Port weren't stupid they'd realise our F1 >>>> pick 13 but thats on them.

New_Roo · 2024-10-16T09:18:12+1100

speedy said:
I want to know if we get Caleb in for pick 25, what happens to Fisher?

You know the former Carlton fringe player who we gave a 4 year deal to play a specific role off half back? Have they struck a line through that idea already?

Or is Clarko doubling down and going to get another fringe player who can’t defend and play them in tandem off half back?

Happy days! What’s that phrase about repeating the same action and expecting a different outcome?

Fisher played what half a season for blues as hb.... he was recruited as he plays multiple positions not the one.... could well be back fwd

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Colby Cheer Squad · 2024-10-16T09:19:21+1100

krakouers said:
That was the pick we used on Goad?

No, W.Dawson. The Goad pick came from Port Adelaide out of JHF.

Ball Dont Lie · 2024-10-16T09:19:33+1100

Hopefully we get Parker done today at minimal cost. Anything else is a bonus. nail the draft. Improve fitness and onfield chemistry. We will improve.

Jeremy Jordan · 2024-10-16T09:19:55+1100

Tas said:
If he was good, Dogs would play him.

I’d say a little of that had to do with his back half distributor role been taken by one of the best in the league at that role in Bailey Dale. After that it seemed like Bevo chucked Daniels around to different positions, on which none he played awesome in. Which led to a lack of confidence which we have seen happen to many.

Reminds me of one of the loves of my life, Peter Mann. A bloody good CHF, but given north had a fairly decent CHF at the time, had to ply his trade for us out of position. Moves to Freo, plays his natural position, has a number of good years.

I think the lack of a decent distributor back there makes a player like Daniel’s more valuable to us, than to the dogs and other teams.

Lomas · 2024-10-16T09:19:57+1100

remfan101 said:
Our offer was actually lower, because the Power are shortsighted and only want picks in this draft. Hence us offering to swap the most valuable asset on the table (our F1) for pick 13. Our offer was probably pick 13 and a 3rd, whereas Collingwood got them pick 13 and two 2nds.

If Port weren't stupid they'd realise our F1 >>>> pick 13 but thats on them.

Until we know what the TAS draft concessions will be we won't really know the value of next year's picks, I guess. And the multiyear future pick trading will also muddy the waters.

AnEmptyChair · 2024-10-16T09:20:21+1100

roos_fanatic08 said:
If that’s the case just keep 25.

Use F2 and F3 to live trade on draft night once all the academy picks have been absorbed.

We need maturity and experience more than we just need the never ending promise of more picks at this stage of our list build

Edit: replied to the wrong message - was in relation to your need more picks inside 50 post, sorry

Horizons_00 · 2024-10-16T09:20:45+1100

Watch us only get Darling....

And Brady holds his job plus we are shit for another 5 years

Devington · 2024-10-16T09:21:40+1100

Horizons_00 said:
Watch us only get Darling....

And Brady holds his job plus we are shit for another 5 years

Parker will get done, don't worry.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-16T09:22:02+1100

Ball Dont Lie said:
Hopefully we get Parker done today at minimal cost. Anything else is a bonus. nail the draft. Improve fitness and infield chemistry. We will improve.

future 3rd they should just announce now

Lomas · 2024-10-16T09:22:21+1100

Horizons_00 said:
Watch us only get Darling....

And Brady holds his job plus we are shit for another 5 years

We will get Parker and Mini X, which isn't a bad result with an extra experienced player across each line. Split our picks for the draft, or don't, and it's still an improvement.

New_Roo · 2024-10-16T09:22:39+1100

Val Keating said:
Just listening to Ports list manager “Norths offer for Houston was actually inferior to what we got (from Collingwood)”

Maybe saying that just to save himself from the Port fire squad! Not exactly going to come out and say north offer was miles better but chose Collingwood's shite deal is he!

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The Filth Wizard · 2024-10-16T09:23:36+1100

I liked how the Port guy kept saying they added two players that will improve their squad yet three players joined.

Colby Cheer Squad · 2024-10-16T09:23:57+1100

remfan101 said:
Our offer was actually lower, because the Power are shortsighted and only want picks in this draft. Hence us offering to swap the most valuable asset on the table (our F1) for pick 13. Our offer was probably pick 13 and a 3rd, whereas Collingwood got them pick 13 and two 2nds.

If Port weren't stupid they'd realise our F1 >>>> pick 13 but thats on them.

Of course you are right numerically, strategically, logically, and every other way except the one way that counts. Port Adelaide can't wait until the 2026 season to replace Houston. They need immediate impact - a grand final appearance at a minimum - or else Kenny, Kochy, and a bunch of good old boys will be out on their arse and Alberton burnt to the ground.

DocSholl · 2024-10-16T09:26:14+1100

ferball said:
They gave us pick 17 with Fisher.

Also if iirc he was subbed and limped off the ground, missed two or three games and came back.

They didn't "give" us pick 17. They allowed us to upgrade an already good pick by a few spots, in exchange for us giving them another good pick as well. You love this narrative that we somehow got Fisher for free

We also gave Fisher a contract well beyond his qualities to the point where we're now chasing someone else in his position. It was a poor trade

roo blitz · 2024-10-16T09:27:05+1100

Only Forwards said:
I do not believe for a second we were ever really a legitimate shot. Port merely kept us around as a bargaining chip and because they knew if it ever really came to it they could and would get us to pay overs.

Unless a player can commit to us they probably aren't coming. I mean that has to be the overwhelmingly likely outcome to anything we put forward.

I mean right now we have a bloke that wants to come to us and we still haven't been able to get that deal done.

Instead we are focussing on what? A bloke who is slow short and kicks the ball sideways? Who hasn't nominated us.

I am sure that bringing in quality talent would force us through this quicker. I am almost certain that we are never going to be in a position to do that. Bigger clubs will always be more attractive to player managers. and we are hardly an attractive prospect on field for any player.

Our way out is to continue to build through the draft which means more pain.

Sad but so very true

Tas · 2024-10-16T09:27:16+1100

Only Forwards said:
I do not believe for a second we were ever really a legitimate shot. Port merely kept us around as a bargaining chip and because they knew if it ever really came to it they could and would get us to pay overs.

Unless a player can commit to us they probably aren't coming. I mean that has to be the overwhelmingly likely outcome to anything we put forward.

I mean right now we have a bloke that wants to come to us and we still haven't been able to get that deal done.

Instead we are focussing on what? A bloke who is slow short and kicks the ball sideways? Who hasn't nominated us.

I am sure that bringing in quality talent would force us through this quicker. I am almost certain that we are never going to be in a position to do that. Bigger clubs will always be more attractive to player managers. and we are hardly an attractive prospect on field for any player.

Our way out is to continue to build through the draft which means more pain.

Some deals just don't happen until the last hour because clubs refuse to budge. I'd be shocked if the Parker deal doesn't happen.

I think Houston would have happened only if the other clubs couldn't get a pick to get the deal done. I think it just comes down to his age and where we are at.

We have shown that when we pressure, we can be competitive. The club has been too slow to push the defensive aspects of the game and our players too inconsistent with applying that pressure. It just isn't going to be attractive for opposition players because we have more than enough talent, if you can't be competitive with what we have then there are other reasons and at the forefront is a high probability that the "leadership" of the player group is comfortable with low effort football and haven't pushed themselves to be better and do better.

It may not be the case, but there is something other than a lack of talent that is holding this group back.

Tiberius · 2024-10-16T09:28:35+1100

Passmore said:
Treat everything you read in the press or from "ITK's" as bullshit. Most of it is used to sell clicks or suit one's own narrative. We'll be drip fed what people want you to hear or read.

We're all so far removed from what's really happening.

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It's refreshing to see that at least some people get it.

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