List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 16th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3star K 5.8 2star HB 5.4 4star M 2.7 3star T 3.2 5star MG 179.2 3star D 8.1 2star K 4.9 2star HB 3.3 2star M 2.0 2star T 2.6 4star MG 144.9 3star D 9.0 3star K 3.8 2star HB 5.2 4star M 0.8 1star T 3.8 5star MG 160.2 3star , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3star K 6.9 3star HB 5.4 4star M 2.8 3star T 2.9 4star CL 1.4 4star D 12.7 3star K 9.2 4star HB 3.5 2star M 3.0 3star T 2.7 4star CL 1.8 4star D 9.2 3star K 4.6 2star HB 4.6 4star M 2.0 3star T 2.6 4star CL 0.0 1star , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Roosurgence]

It could be north of 30 by then!


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Not it’s really irrelevant because the pick only goes out because players that were never available in the pool anyway have been taken.

It’s still Pick 25 in the available pool.

5 kids tied to academies or FS going before pick 25 makes no difference at all to the player available at that pick.

So if there were 9 players that were tied to academies and FS that go from Pick 2-10 at 11 you are still theoretically getting the 2nd best player in the available pool.

 

[Scottroo]

2 and F1 for 6,10,11

 

[Roosurgence]

Prob can get one of them at 6 but reckon 2nd prob Tauru gone by 11


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I’m sure we only get one. But given the depth of the draft Pick 11 could be just as good as the player taken at 6.

 

[New_Roo]

We should have been waiting on the Macrae offer and then made our 1st offer, a little less then that.

Wasn't mvt on this for a while though and we had a little more on our plate so had to go earlier unfort


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[Heaps of fun]

When you factor in how many Tigers will be cut or retired in the next two years it gets very ugly. They have lots of upcoming retirements, a ton of deadwood and a few busts like Dow, Ross, Sonsie and possibly even Gibcus with all of his injuries.

 

[New_Roo]

Not it’s really irrelevant because the pick only goes out because players that were never available in the pool anyway have been taken.

It’s still Pick 25 in the available pool.

5 kids tied to academies or FS going before pick 25 makes no difference at all to the player available at that pick.

So if there were 9 players that were tied to academies and FS that go from Pick 2-10 at 11 you are still theoretically getting the 2nd best player in the available pool.

Agree it's still pick 25 but there are 29 apparently better kids been picked before it


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[Roosurgence]

2 and F1 for 6,10,11

No way.

Massively in Richmond’s favour. I would also want Pick 18 in that swap.

I think we just hold fast until draft night and see what offers roll in.

Teams will get more excited with what they can get closer to the night.

 

[New_Roo]

would be their initial starting point

we laugh at them until it is at the very least 6 and 11

but our starting point should be at a min 6,10,18 for 2 and 25

At least shows they are keen


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[Farthers]

Not it’s really irrelevant because the pick only goes out because players that were never available in the pool anyway have been taken.

It’s still Pick 25 in the available pool.

5 kids tied to academies or FS going before pick 25 makes no difference at all to the player available at that pick.

So if there were 9 players that were tied to academies and FS that go from Pick 2-10 at 11 you are still theoretically getting the 2nd best player in the available pool.

I never get this argument. You might be getting the player in the available pool at that pick, but the relative quality of the pick doesn't stay the same.

 

[verypoorboy]

2 and F1 for 6,10,11

Would be WC/PA level of melts if we did that

 

[Roosurgence]

Agree it's still pick 25 but there are 29 apparently better kids been picked before it


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But kids you could never pick anyway.

People get fixated with the number. They should be concentrating on the available pool and not kids they could never get anyway.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Teams will get more excited with what they can get closer to the night.

Be that as it may... there's only one realistic option to trade 2 with, and that's Richmond.

That's why I'm tempering my expectations.

 

[Val Keating]

Spin!

It’s better for North too because it doesn’t look like we’ve been knocked back by the player, but no one is buying it.

 

[The Nostradamus]

At least shows they are keen


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they and other clubs were always going to come for pick 2 with a big deal

especially as 3 is now locked up by the blues and crows arent trading 4 as they are hoping draper is there

any club that wants a high end pick knows only pick 2 is a chance

and tigers especially as they want the 2 best kids and taking 2 of FOS/Jagga/lalor who are all good mates also

 

[Boro]

2 and a F2 for 6,11 and one of the 20's picks.

Allows us to use our 25 on Daniel and get something in the futures back from the dogs.

 

[New_Roo]

But kids you could never pick anyway.

People get fixated with the number. They should be concentrating on the available pool and not kids they could never get anyway.

Yes but its value changes.... so really you need to compare Daniel against the 30th best kid in the draft


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[Roosurgence]

I never get this argument. You might be getting the player in the available pool at that pick, but the relative quality of the pick doesn't stay the same.

It’s the exact same quality regardless of the pick number. You are literally taking the 25 best prospect in the available pool.

The players quality doesn’t change because they were taken at 2 or 11. It’s the same player LOL

So you are trying to tell me that if none of the academies or FS are bid on before pick 25 that the player is better because they were taken at 25?

It’s fools logic.

It’s the exact same player!

 

[Heaps of fun]

2 and F1 for 6,10,11

Armstrong, Tauru and Berry. Would be massive.

 

[Only Forwards]

2 and F1 for 6,10,11

You are offering two top 5 picks for a single pick inside the top 10 after F/S matching.

this would be unders.

 

[Scottroo]

Would be WC/PA level of melts if we did that

This years draft is elite

 

[Scottroo]

You are offering two top 5 picks for a single pick inside the top 10 after F/S matching.

this would be unders.

It’s simply not unders in a draft where any of the top 12 have a case for top 3

 

[Roosurgence]

Be that as it may... there's only one realistic option to trade 2 with, and that's Richmond.

That's why I'm tempering my expectations.

With their boat load of picks they will be more interested in getting the very best in the pool.

There is no need for us to buckle and take a shit deal.

Moving out too far just maximises the risk to us.

It’s been said many times, we should only be looking to push out as far as 6. Any further and those talls on our draft board could be gone.

 

[perplexed]

I hope we can split 2 with Richmond, but it's going to be complicated by them probably wanting similar players to us. They are at a start of rebuild so I imagine they will prioritise talls.

 

[Tas]

100%

So imagine how bad they are going to be when they are gone and relying on 18 year olds to generate their output.

We have first hand lived the experience of brining in kids into a system with very little leadership and support around them.

Why do you think we are trying to bring in Darling, Parker and Daniel? It’s not because they are match winners.

I don't know they still have Balta, Broad and Gibcus (ACL March this year). They will need to get a replacement for Broad but they key defenders are better than ours.

They will have Vlastuin and Short down back, they will try and do a Sheezel and get a talented kid to play down back early on.

They had a lot of injury issues with Prestia(13), Taranto(15) and Hopper(12). If they can get more of a full season out of them then they will probably hold up better. They need an injection of young midfield talent there. Tarranto is 26, Hopper 27 so they will play for a while. Prestia is 32 and not sure how much footy he has left. They will want to get an inside mid.

Nankervis is still kicking in the ruck.

Lynch only played 4 games and Cumberland only 6, but yeah, their forward line makes ours look decent. They need a lot of work there. If they use all the picks they currently have, they can solve a lot of problems. They might not be down as long as people think.

 

[Roosurgence]

Yes but its value changes.... so really you need to compare Daniel against the 30th best kid in the draft


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Why? You need to be comparing him to the kid that is projected to be the 25th best talent in the available pool.

Kids that you can never bring into your club don’t change the value of that player. As I said it’s the exact same player, just a different number attached to their draft position.