List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[The Nostradamus]

Smith went for 17
Macrae went for 45
His value is probably middle of that
Future 3rd and swap of future 4ths - something in that realm

think we could have also gotten in that 3 way trade but somehow cats got in there instead of us with blues and dogs

that would have made our life easier where we dont need to use 25

 

[The Nostradamus]

So much for that MASS EXODUS

yeah pretty impressive

culture is high

not 1 player requesting out

time to sign LDU

 

[Luke72]

Daniel ain’t breaking the lines. He is a nice kick but he ain’t the most penetrating of kicks. Sure he will retain the pill but will he cut through the opposition’s zone? Also he ain’t that quick. Plus defensively he ain’t that good. You may call it ballsy. I call it buckling. We overpaid and now our draft hand is ordinary. Plus we have a number of half back flankers on the list. Goater, Hardiman, Bergman, Fischer and McDonald. Did we really need him? :stern look

I don’t reckon we needed him.

I had hoped that holding off on trading straight away might mean we got a better deal but we could have made those trades on day 1 and seen if something else popped up.

Unfortunately Brady does not seem to be able to stare down a trade for a better deal. Should’ve walked away from the Daniel trade and Konstanty was in all likelihood getting delisted so I think that is just covering up the Parker deal.

I am rapt we got Parker but everything has been at full price or overs.

 

[Sphynx]

Daniel ain’t breaking the lines. He is a nice kick but he ain’t the most penetrating of kicks. Sure he will retain the pill but will he cut through the opposition’s zone? Also he ain’t that quick. Plus defensively he ain’t that good. You may call it ballsy. I call it buckling. We overpaid and now our draft hand is ordinary. Plus we have a number of half back flankers on the list. Goater, Hardiman, Bergman, Fischer and McDonald. Did we really need him? :stern look

Honestly, the amount of people on here that are mouth pieces for the club is hilarious.

They must simply look at Wikipedia and see an All Australian Jacket and Best and Fairest from checks 5 years ago next season. Ben Brown was a Coleman medal contender only 1 season removed, that's how long ago that was.


Daniel averages 13 meters per disposal. 13.

Some people are making out like he's Darren Jarman. LMAC had a better kicking efficiency and effective kick ratio than he did last season and he moved the ball a hell of a lot further per disposal. I'll have to re-check some of the dumps during the year, but I believe he was listed throughout the year in CD's worst kicks vs expected kick rating on some week to week analysis'.

And people loved to hang shit on Colby on this board at periods of last season. Their reactions are going to be fairly comical when they discover Daniel moves the ball 40% less per possession than Colby, who some hung a heap of shit on for his give and goes and chip kicks.

He doesn't run with the ball, he is a spot up mark/kick type that is a complete defensive liability that opposition sides actively try to make the 3rd forward and medium forward mismatch against. It's why the Dogs replaced him with a few fringe VFL types who actually can break zone defences and defend in the air.

He actually used to be quite a good interceptor in his first 4-5 years in the league, that's disappeared in the second half of his career as he's just become an unaccountable small half back.

And he's joining one of the worst defences in the league, what could go wrong?

He's also 29 years old in the middle of next season and has got progressively worse year on year since his peak in 2020 as that AA/B&F winner.

The fact he was also on $1,500,000 over the next two seasons, is 29 years old next year, in the Dogs VFL team or a sub for much of the year and the evenness of this draft, makes this the absolute deal of the century for them. Twomey is absolutely spot on, daylight robbery and one every club would make in an instant for a 29 year old at this stage of their careers. A salary dump for a fringe player on a back ended deal, who has been on a year on year decline for 4 years and not at all required anymore and been replaced, is just...

We had every single bit of leverage in this deal. The only thing going for the Dogs was he was contracted, yet at $750,000 PA it was as plain as day they would blink and move him at the end for whatever they could get.


I was never apposed to his recruitment, if the price was right. IF the price was right, He's a fantastic trainer, was a good leader at underage level and has a good footy brain. He's developed a fair few bad habits sitting as a loose half back flanker since his Rising Star and following years however.

This should have been Pick 66 or a F4 type deal when factoring his toxic contract for their TPP.

I sincerely hope we play him off a wing or even half forward and not half back. The game has gone past his type of player at half back.

 

[blackshadow]

Not too shabby at all.

Would have liked to have something coming back for Daniel but overall the additions should strengthen us, they address weaknesses particularly in the leadership area and should see us improve.

Hopefully we can split 2 and end up with some quality from the draft.

Bring on 2025!

 

[Troy Make Peace]

I confess, I keep seeing your username and wishing he was on here

Good player and a devout north man - could do with more Makepeace's in the world

 

[Jimmac31]

Happy with the haul. AA and Premiership experience from three different teams, incl. a Key Forward and Half Back. Daniel allows Fisher or Kerch to play higher up the ground. Parker is quality. Darling helps each of our forwards. Also, a small forward in Konstanty. Yet untried, is a position of need, and he's already had 2 years within a relatively successful system.

If we can split Pick 2 into 6 and 11, we can pick up a Key Forward and Key Defender. Then on draft night bring F1 or F2 into this year for a small forward.

Literally covered all weak spots.

 

[Istanbul Roo]

Hannaford could be anything and his intensity is manic. Much better skills and can play anywhere on the ground.

Konstanty, from what I have seen, is more of a defensive forward. Good pressure but not so much of an offensive threat.

Sure, as a junior ... Let's wait and see he goes in the AFL.

 

[Orange Peanut]

Honestly, the amount of people on here that are mouth pieces for the club is hilarious.

They must simply look at Wikipedia and see an All Australian Jacket and Best and Fairest from checks 5 years ago next season. Ben Brown was a Coleman medal contender only 1 season removed, that's how long ago that was.


Daniel averages 13 meters per disposal. 13.

Some people are making out like he's Darren Jarman. LMAC had a better kicking efficiency and effective kick ratio than he did last season and he moved the ball a hell of a lot further per disposal. I'll have to re-check some of the dumps during the year, but I believe he was listed throughout the year in CD's worst kicks vs expected kick rating on some week to week analysis'.

And people loved to hang shit on Colby on this board at periods of last season. Their reactions are going to be fairly comical when they discover Daniel moves the ball 40% less per possession than Colby, who some hung a heap of shit on for his give and goes and chip kicks.

He doesn't run with the ball, he is a spot up mark/kick type that is a complete defensive liability that opposition sides actively try to make the 3rd forward and medium forward mismatch against. It's why the Dogs replaced him with a few fringe VFL types who actually can break zone defences and defend in the air.

And he's joining one of the worst defences in the league, what could go wrong?

He's also 29 years old in the middle of next season and has got progressively worse year on year since his peak in 2020 as that AA/B&F winner.

The fact he was also on $1,500,000 over the next two seasons, is 29 years old next year, in the Dogs VFL team or a sub for much of the year and the evenness of this draft, makes this the absolute deal of the century for them. Twomey is absolutely spot on. A salary dump for a fringe player on a back ended deal, who has been on a year on year decline for 4 years and not at all required anymore and been replaced, is just...


I was never apposed to his recruitment, if the price was right. IF the price was right, He's a fantastic trainer, was a good leader at underage level and has a good footy brain. He's developed a fair few bad habits sitting as a loose half back flanker since his Rising Star and following years however.

This should have been Pick 66 or a F4 type deal when factoring his toxic contract for their TPP.

I sincerely hope we play him off a wing or even half forward and not half back. The game has gone past his type of player.

Who the **** hung shit on Colby?

 

[Makeshift Park]

Reckon you’ve downed a bottle of baijiu as well.

I gave up top shelf on weeknights since I had kids.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Honestly, the amount of people on here that are mouth pieces for the club is hilarious.

They must simply look at Wikipedia and see an All Australian Jacket and Best and Fairest from checks 5 years ago next season. Ben Brown was a Coleman medal contender only 1 season removed, that's how long ago that was.


Daniel averages 13 meters per disposal. 13.

Some people are making out like he's Darren Jarman. LMAC had a better kicking efficiency and effective kick ratio than he did last season and he moved the ball a hell of a lot further per disposal. I'll have to re-check some of the dumps during the year, but I believe he was listed throughout the year in CD's worst kicks vs expected kick rating on some week to week analysis'.

And people loved to hang shit on Colby on this board at periods of last season. Their reactions are going to be fairly comical when they discover Daniel moves the ball 40% less per possession than Colby, who some hung a heap of shit on for his give and goes and chip kicks.

He doesn't run with the ball, he is a spot up mark/kick type that is a complete defensive liability that opposition sides actively try to make the 3rd forward and medium forward mismatch against. It's why the Dogs replaced him with a few fringe VFL types who actually can break zone defences and defend in the air.

And he's joining one of the worst defences in the league, what could go wrong?

He's also 29 years old in the middle of next season and has got progressively worse year on year since his peak in 2020 as that AA/B&F winner.

The fact he was also on $1,500,000 over the next two seasons, is 29 years old next year, in the Dogs VFL team or a sub for much of the year and the evenness of this draft, makes this the absolute deal of the century for them. Twomey is absolutely spot on, daylight robbery and one every club would make in an instant for a 29 year old at this stage of their careers. A salary dump for a fringe player on a back ended deal, who has been on a year on year decline for 4 years and not at all required anymore and been replaced, is just...


I was never apposed to his recruitment, if the price was right. IF the price was right, He's a fantastic trainer, was a good leader at underage level and has a good footy brain. He's developed a fair few bad habits sitting as a loose half back flanker since his Rising Star and following years however.

This should have been Pick 66 or a F4 type deal when factoring his toxic contract for their TPP.

I sincerely hope we play him off a wing or even half forward and not half back. The game has gone past his type of player.

'mouth pieces for the club' lmao

clarko, viney and brady have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life champ. there is arrogance and then there's this unhinged, absolute melt of a rant. but credit to ya, this is a fitting swansong to the absolute shit youve posted over this period

 

[Joshen]

In the football department, we now have people involved in numerous premiership programs:

• Hawthorn (Clarkson / Viney)
• Melbourne (Viney)
• Richmond (Clarke)
• Sydney (Parker)
• Bulldogs (Daniel)
• West Coast (Darling)
• Brisbane (Adcock)

We are flush with those who know how to get to the final weekend of the season. Adding to that list in a playing capacity means we come out of trade eon a winner.

Also I'm hoping it is a massive shot across the bow to our senior players. We publicly and actively chased experience. Everyone knows their leadership and/or performance have been unacceptable.

No more excuses.

10 wins next season.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

Who the **** hung shit on Colby?

sphynxs's deal is that he exaggerates absolutely everything. ie. 'Jackson Archer isnt in the top 200 players in his age group'. hyperbolic nonsense after hyperbolic nonsense

one person expressing a little bit of doubt about his kicking is probably enough for him to conclude 'people loved to hang shit on Colby' tbh

 

[justroyal]

So let me get this straight.
We traded 25 for a shorter, slower, more accurate kick over short distances than Fisher? Is that the take away here?

 

[Snowy off the Tram]

The CCJ trade was a poor one both at the time and now with hindsight, especially when he could've been walked to the PSD. If he wasn't willing to do that, he could've stayed at the Tiges.

The point is that you are meant to learn from your mistakes, not just repeat the same process and expect a different result. That is the definition of insanity. It's seemingly more and more likely that when things haven't gone poorly it's been due to pure dumb luck as opposed to good process and planning (eg talent identification and sourcing).

To an extent, what was the point of recruiting Fisher last year if we go back to the well to get Daniel this year to play the same role?

The Fisher decision defies logic and rational explanation. Everyone outside the nmfc recruiting team knew he had massive shortcomings and still we offered him this extraordinary deal. His footy this year confirmed what many of the naysayers had claimed: poor decision maker under pressure, vastly overrated kick of the ball and soft in the tackle. Go figure ….

 

[backtothedraft]

Good trade period overall.

I think there is real opportunity for us to work with Richmond now to further shape our draft hand, and wouldn’t be surprised if that included our pick 2 and F1/F2. I think it’s likely that if a deal lands it will ultimately favour Richmond at least on paper, but will give us good access to this years top 30 to help fill positional needs. Perhaps something like North 2 + F2 for Richmond 6, 11, 24

 

[Sphynx]

'mouth pieces for the club' lmao

clarko, viney and brady have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life champ. there is arrogance and then there's this unhinged, absolute melt of a rant. but credit to ya, this is a fitting swansong to the absolute shit youve posted over this period

Clarko, Viney and Brady forgot so much they thought Dylan Stephens was a Best 22 lock, someone that could be a game changer off a wing, worthy of diluting what amounted to a first round pick and rewarded him with a deal until 2027.

Despite being statistically the 5th worst footballer in the league in 2023 at the Swans. Absolute shock horror what unfolded there.

I think you were sprouting the same crap this time last year.

Unlike you, I support the NMFC, I don't support Clarko/Viney FC and sleep with posters of them above my bed.

 

[Makeshift Park]

And people loved to hang shit on Colby on this board at periods of last season. Their reactions are going to be fairly comical when they discover Daniel moves the ball 40% less per possession than Colby, who some hung a heap of shit on for his give and goes and chip kicks.

Finally! Someone who's willing to take the unwashed leagues of McKercher haters to task. Who's draft? Our draft!

 

[muttley45]

There is a stark difference in leverage when trading for contracted v non contracted players, irregardless of age, cv, etc, i presume if any of our targets were not contracted, the price paid would have been significantly less, is this right or wrong ?

 

[apollo_creed]

'mouth pieces for the club' lmao

clarko, viney and brady have forgotten more about football than you will ever know in your life champ. there is arrogance and then there's this unhinged, absolute melt of a rant. but credit to ya, this is a fitting swansong to the absolute shit youve posted over this period

Yes going with the ‘champ’ response to someone who has posted a carefully constructed opinion that you disagree with.

Well done on winning the internet.

I’m on the fence here - citing AA etc for players in their 30s and not wanted by their current clubs is meaningless but at the same time suggesting McKercher is a criticised player to cite your argument is pretty poor.

I’m happy with Parker and Daniel.
Wouldn’t waste my time with Darling.
Have no idea (like 95 percent on here) about the other guy.

Hope they all succeed regardless of my opinion.

 

[justroyal]

sphynxs's deal is that he exaggerates absolutely everything. ie. 'Jackson Archer isnt in the top 200 players in his age group'. hyperbolic nonsense after hyperbolic nonsense

one person expressing a little bit of doubt about his kicking is probably enough for him to conclude 'people loved to hang shit on Colby' tbh

People and fans were hanging shit on Colby last year though, especially at games. And it wasn’t his fault, he was trying to move from half back because no one else was doing anything. Some paid off, some didn’t. He is sonic. What do you expect? I’m sure margin for error will be different when he can kick to contests from the midfield.

It was that game against the bulldogs were LDU forgot to let his team mates know that there was a player on their arse that probably left a vivid image of poor Colby for some.

 

[Themanbun]

There is a stark difference in leverage when trading for contracted v non contracted players, irregardless of age, cv, etc, i presume if any of our targets were not contracted, the price paid would have been significantly less, is this right or wrong ?

Not by the way we trade historically

 

[Roos1991]

blake drury should be

keep coop over laz and him

Coop might have the worst attitude of the 3 but probably has the highest ceiling.

 

[Shermanator]

Honestly, the amount of people on here that are mouth pieces for the club is hilarious.

They must simply look at Wikipedia and see an All Australian Jacket and Best and Fairest from checks 5 years ago next season. Ben Brown was a Coleman medal contender only 1 season removed, that's how long ago that was.


Daniel averages 13 meters per disposal. 13.

Some people are making out like he's Darren Jarman. LMAC had a better kicking efficiency and effective kick ratio than he did last season and he moved the ball a hell of a lot further per disposal. I'll have to re-check some of the dumps during the year, but I believe he was listed throughout the year in CD's worst kicks vs expected kick rating on some week to week analysis'.

And people loved to hang shit on Colby on this board at periods of last season. Their reactions are going to be fairly comical when they discover Daniel moves the ball 40% less per possession than Colby, who some hung a heap of shit on for his give and goes and chip kicks.

He doesn't run with the ball, he is a spot up mark/kick type that is a complete defensive liability that opposition sides actively try to make the 3rd forward and medium forward mismatch against. It's why the Dogs replaced him with a few fringe VFL types who actually can break zone defences and defend in the air.

He actually used to be quite a good interceptor in his first 4-5 years in the league, that's disappeared in the second half of his career as he's just become an unaccountable small half back.

And he's joining one of the worst defences in the league, what could go wrong?

He's also 29 years old in the middle of next season and has got progressively worse year on year since his peak in 2020 as that AA/B&F winner.

The fact he was also on $1,500,000 over the next two seasons, is 29 years old next year, in the Dogs VFL team or a sub for much of the year and the evenness of this draft, makes this the absolute deal of the century for them. Twomey is absolutely spot on, daylight robbery and one every club would make in an instant for a 29 year old at this stage of their careers. A salary dump for a fringe player on a back ended deal, who has been on a year on year decline for 4 years and not at all required anymore and been replaced, is just...

We had every single bit of leverage in this deal. The only thing going for the Dogs was he was contracted, yet at $750,000 PA it was as plain as day they would blink and move him at the end for whatever they could get.


I was never apposed to his recruitment, if the price was right. IF the price was right, He's a fantastic trainer, was a good leader at underage level and has a good footy brain. He's developed a fair few bad habits sitting as a loose half back flanker since his Rising Star and following years however.

This should have been Pick 66 or a F4 type deal when factoring his toxic contract for their TPP.

I sincerely hope we play him off a wing or even half forward and not half back. The game has gone past his type of player at half back.

Rest your lips and get busy writing up draft profiles for our 2025 first rounder..

 

[Sphynx]

So let me get this straight.
We traded 25 for a shorter, slower, more accurate kick over short distances than Fisher? Is that the take away here?

Well technically in 2024:

Fisher - Better kicking efficiency
Fisher - Took more kicks on average per disposal.
Fisher - On average kicked it twice as far per kick at a better disposal efficiency
Fisher - Averaged slightly more clangers/turnovers per disposal.
Fisher - Higher AFL rating