List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

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Sphynx said:
Well technically in 2024:

Fisher - Better kicking efficiency
Fisher - Took more kicks on average per disposal.
Fisher - On average kicked it twice as far per kick at a better disposal efficiency
Fisher - Averaged slightly more clangers/turnovers per disposal.
Fisher - Higher AFL rating
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To think I was angry by just the idea of parting with 25…
 
apollo_creed said:
Yes going with the ‘champ’ response to someone who has posted a carefully constructed opinion that you disagree with.

Well done on winning the internet.

I’m on the fence here - citing AA etc for players in their 30s and not wanted by their current clubs is meaningless but at the same time suggesting McKercher is a criticised player to cite your argument is pretty poor.

I’m happy with Parker and Daniel.
Wouldn’t waste my time with Darling.
Have no idea (like 95 percent on here) about the other guy.

Hope they all succeed regardless of my opinion.
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thats not what it is at all.

it's cherry picked nonsense to justify a preconceived notion that was already set
 
We do love a set of steak knives right? Jasper Pittard, Darcy Tucker
 

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Sphynx said:
Well technically in 2024:

Fisher - Better kicking efficiency
Fisher - Took more kicks on average per disposal.
Fisher - On average kicked it twice as far per kick at a better disposal efficiency
Fisher - Averaged slightly more clangers/turnovers per disposal.
Fisher - Higher AFL rating
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That's an irrelevant comparison and you know it. There's absolutely no doubt that Daniel is being recruited to play HBF. A position where Daniel barely played this year, thanks to Dale and Bramble.
 
Sphynx said:
Well technically in 2024:

Fisher - Better kicking efficiency
Fisher - Took more kicks on average per disposal.
Fisher - On average kicked it twice as far per kick at a better disposal efficiency
Fisher - Averaged slightly more clangers/turnovers per disposal.
Fisher - Higher AFL rating
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Playing completely different roles this year. Daniel was mid, forward, wing, anywhere but half back where it's much easier to pump up your stats with cheap kicks.
 
NORTH MELBOURNE

Who left: Nil.

Who arrived: Jack Darling, Caleb Daniel, Luke Parker, Jacob Konstanty


Draft picks owned: 2, 62

Leigh Montagna says: “Caleb Daniel has got composure, which is what North Melbourne need, and he’s an upgrade on Zac Fisher and Darcy Tucker for mine, so he does fill a need. But for Pick 25? That could be a good player – some of this year’s key-position and rucks will be in that range. Would that have been a better option for North Melbourne? Maybe they’ve made a decision that they need some more senior talent in there to help the young guys they’ve got.”

David King says: “Maybe most of their improvements comes from off-field and they get the chance to listen to some of this experience and the standards be set by Luke Parker, who needs to read the riot act to a few, eyeball a few. I wouldn’t be afraid of being ‘overs’ rather than ‘the nice guy’ when you turn up, shift the course – because the words have got to change. We’ve heard words out of this place for the last three to four years, they need to start converting those words into wins. Less conversation, more consistency … These older guys coming in, not only do they have to perform to the level, they’ve got to demand more from those around them. The talent is there, it’s time to rise.”

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AnEmptyChair said:
thats not what it is at all.

it's cherry picked nonsense to justify a preconceived notion that was already set
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Speaking of fabrications......

I provided you plenty of data and you have simply gone the man.

Is there anything you can quantify regarding this recruitment, other than "the ViBe, Clarko knOws bEst ForeVer"?

Honestly, sell this recruitment to me for Pick 25?

Given his age, salary (it's important to his value) and please don't quote deeds from 5 years ago when Rhys Shaw was coach, as if they are at all relevant to what we have just bought for 2025.

As I said, no problem with the Daniel recruitment, but it should have been for a pick in the 60's. We are now left with effectively 1 pick in the draft, with clubs knowing we need to sell. It's shades of 2019 again.

We should be recruiting one of the best talls in the draft in the top 25, a bluechip selection in this draft (that clubs and bending over backwards for), ontop of recruiting Daniel...

Sell me Caleb Daniel the player vs the market value of others over the last few years for that price.

Go on, or will you just keep squawking absolute hot air at posters again?
 
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Sphynx said:
Speaking of fabrications......

I provided you plenty of data and you have simply gone the man.

Is there anything you can quantify regarding this recruitment, other than "the VinBe, Clarko knOws bEst ForeVer"?

Honestly, sell this recruitment to me for Pick 25?

Given his age, salary (it's important to his value) and please don't quote deeds from 5 years ago when Rhys Shaw was coach, as if they are at all relevant to what we have just bought for 2025.

As I said, no problem with the Daniel recruitment, but it should have been for a pick in the 60's.

We should be recruiting one of the best talls in the draft in the top 25, a bluechip selection in this draft (that clubs and bending over backwards for), ontop of recruiting Daniel...

Sell me Caleb Daniel the player vs the market value of others over the last few years for that price.
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Wouldn’t bother.

The club is only ever right. The people in charge are only ever right.

It’s why we’ve been a juggernaut over the last 25 years.

If Daniel was any good, he’d have been in their side for the full season.

We always get seduced by fringe players or failed first rounders.

It’s criminal.
 
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Chadwiko said:
Cal Twomey: "The Bulldogs got a steal with 25 for Caleb Daniel"
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I think it's overs but keep in mind that Cal is a draft man.
 
Sphynx said:
Speaking of fabrications......

I provided you plenty of data and you have simply gone the man.

Is there anything you can quantify regarding this recruitment, other than "the ViBe, Clarko knOws bEst ForeVer"?

Honestly, sell this recruitment to me for Pick 25?

Given his age, salary (it's important to his value) and please don't quote deeds from 5 years ago when Rhys Shaw was coach, as if they are at all relevant to what we have just bought for 2025.

As I said, no problem with the Daniel recruitment, but it should have been for a pick in the 60's.

We should be recruiting one of the best talls in the draft in the top 25, a bluechip selection in this draft (that clubs and bending over backwards for), ontop of recruiting Daniel...

Sell me Caleb Daniel the player vs the market value of others over the last few years for that price.

Go on, or will you just keep squawking absolute hot air at posters again?
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i cant

i wouldve walked away from the deal if it was more than a future 3rd
or a future second but get a future 3rd back

but unfortunately it is done so we just have to focus on the positive for now until draft night when i get angry again about it
 
Souup said:
I like Caleb Daniel and think he's a shrewd pick-up. I don't like that we paid pick 25.

I think most North fans are thinking along these lines and that's fine.

In the end pick 25 will likely end up closer to pick 30. With the depth in this draft, I still like that selection, but you can't buy some of the intangibles Caleb Daniel brings, and I suppose the club clearly views those things as more valuable than pick 25.
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Agree.

There's a difference too between debating if pick 25 was the right price Vs debating about the negotiaton that got us there. Starting each side of a pick before ending up in the middle feels like a fair negotiation. Parker a case in point.

Agreeing to pick 25 after we rejected it first up presents as a poor negotiation.

I'm stoked to have Daniel and think he'll greatly improve our D50 ball use, but based on published offers / counter offers i just feel we could have got him for less is all.
 
TennisPlayerAndy said:
Wouldn’t bother.

The club is only ever right. The people in charge are only ever right.

It’s why we’ve been a juggernaut over the last 25 years.

If Daniel was any good, he’d have been in their side for the full season.

We always get seduced by fringe players or failed first rounders.

It’s criminal.
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The margin for error for this price for a 29 year old in his position is effectively a Shaun Higgins type 4 year career here. Syd contender, AA squad. No margin for error, anything else is an L, plain and simple. He has no tradeable value in 3-4 seasons and will be one of our top earners to boot. Would be no different to picking someone at 25 and them not playing in my opnion.

Whilst people will point out the draft is a crap shoot and so it can be, there's still a decent % shot at a 200 game player over 15 years at that position. A lower % shot at someone even better than Daniel over his career in a wide range of roles, including KPP's. That range is an absolute treasure trove for KPD's. We recruited both McKay and Comben in it.

It's why the 17 other list managers would have bitten Brady's hand off for that same deal today.
 

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The Nostradamus said:
i cant

i wouldve walked away from the deal if it was more than a future 3rd
or a future second but get a future 3rd back

but unfortunately it is done so we just have to focus on the positive for now until draft night when i get angry again about it
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At least you'll have plenty of time between picks to be angry
 
Sphynx said:
The margin for error for this price for a 29 year old in his position is effectively a Shaun Higgins type 4 year career here. Syd contender, AA squad. No margin for error, it's an L, plain and simple.

Whilst people will point out the draft is a crap shoot and so it can be, there's still a decent % shot at a 200 game player over 15 years at that position. A lower % shot at someone even better than Daniel over his career in a wide range of roles, including KPP's. That range is an absolute treasure trove for KPD's. We recruited both McKay and Comben in it.

It's why the 17 other list managers would have bitten Brady's hand off for that same deal today.
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Yeah, and Higgins was a FA. So the cost pales in comparison.

Brady is from the George Constanza School of Negotiation.

You hold out for less return.
 
Zondor said:
Daniel ain’t breaking the lines. He is a nice kick but he ain’t the most penetrating of kicks. Sure he will retain the pill but will he cut through the opposition’s zone? Also he ain’t that quick. Plus defensively he ain’t that good. You may call it ballsy. I call it buckling. We overpaid and now our draft hand is ordinary. Plus we have a number of half back flankers on the list. Goater, Hardiman, Bergman, Fischer and McDonald. Did we really need him? :stern look
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Daniel’s job is to get it to McKercher who can get it to Larkey Parker Sheezel Zurhaar Curtis or Darling. He doesn’t break the lines himself but he gets it to someone who does.
 
We’ve just payed a high price for Caleb Daniel. If he brings his AA fitness and form it will be worth it
 
Roos1991 said:
If we're any good, Fisher will play 70% VFL next year.
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No, he will play most weeks and be better for the improvement around him. Someone else posted that he is a bottom 6 player being forced to play a top 12 player role. He’ll do better with less pressure.
 
Nylex said:
We’ve just payed a high price for Caleb Daniel. If he brings his AA fitness and form it will be worth it
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If he brings AA form he is worth much more.
 
TennisPlayerAndy said:
Yeah, and Higgins was a FA. So the cost pales in comparison.

Brady is from the George Constanza School of Negotiation.

You hold out for less return.
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The Penski file suggests otherwise.
 
trooroo4life said:
Gonna sign off on this trade period with this;

Did we overpay on Daniel? Yes. Would I have preferred to take 25 to the draft? Yes.

But at the end of the day I’m sick of turning up and losing every week. Comes in and provides good ball movement from the back half. We move Colby up the ground where he can damage going inside 50 and kick long goals from 50 and be a far more dangerous threat for us.

We get Parker in to provide much needed leadership. I can’t wait to see Wardlaw after working with Parker for a while. He should be great for Sheez too, help mould him into the next skipper.

Konstanty is a free hit. He brings forward pressure which we’ve needed for years. He obviously has a lot of work to do, but he’s going to get an opportunity to show if he’s cut out for the level. Seeing a spot he can fill might spur him on to push harder.

Darling, wasn’t keen but he’s a roo now and just hope it works positively for us.

All in all, forget the price. They are roos, let’s win some f*cking football games. Bring on the draft and then hopefully a happier 2025 season.
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Reckon Konstanty puts some pressure on Payne as well to lift. Will be good to see how that pans out in terms of small forward stocks.
 
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