List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

giantroo · Oct 4, 2024

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3 K 5.8 2 HB 5.4 4 M 2.7 3 T 3.2 5 MG 179.2 3 D 8.1 2 K 4.9 2 HB 3.3 2 M 2.0 2 T 2.6 4 MG 144.9 3 D 9.0 3 K 3.8 2 HB 5.2 4 M 0.8 1 T 3.8 5 MG 160.2 3 , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3 K 6.9 3 HB 5.4 4 M 2.8 3 T 2.9 4 CL 1.4 4 D 12.7 3 K 9.2 4 HB 3.5 2 M 3.0 3 T 2.7 4 CL 1.8 4 D 9.2 3 K 4.6 2 HB 4.6 4 M 2.0 3 T 2.6 4 CL 0.0 1 , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4 K 9.2 4 HB 7.1 4 M 3.5 4 T 2.0 4 MG 186.1 3 D 14.2 3 K 7.7 3 HB 6.5 4 M 3.2 3 T 1.8 3 MG 149.7 3 D 18.8 5 K 11.0 4 HB 7.8 5 M 4.0 4 T 2.2 4 MG 229.8 4	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 3 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 4 MG 369.3 5 D 14.8 4 K 11.5 4 HB 3.3 2 M 3.4 3 T 1.8 3 MG 369.3 5 D 13.6 4 K 11.2 4 HB 2.4 3 M 4.2 4 T 2.2 4 MG 358.0 5 , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5 K 12.1 4 HB 7.9 5 M 4.6 4 T 1.9 4 MG 367.4 5 D 9.0 2 K 5.0 2 HB 4.0 3 M 0.3 1 T 2.7 4 MG 147.7 3 D 14.2 4 K 8.8 4 HB 5.4 4 M 4.0 4 T 1.2 3 MG 217.8 4 Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5 K 11.8 4 HB 6.4 4 M 4.9 5 T 3.0 5 MG 289.2 4 D 17.6 4 K 11.6 4 HB 6.0 3 M 3.3 3 T 3.4 4 MG 319.9 5 D 16.6 4 K 12.4 5 HB 4.2 4 M 7.0 5 T 2.6 4 MG 279.8 5 , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4 K 7.8 3 HB 7.9 5 M 3.2 3 T 2.6 4 MG 222.2 3 D 14.6 4 K 6.8 3 HB 7.9 4 M 3.8 4 T 1.8 3 MG 191.9 3 D 14.4 4 K 6.2 3 HB 8.2 5 M 1.6 2 T 1.8 4 MG 224.2 4 to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius, Richards, Rory Atkins, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

FootySmartSimpson · 2024-10-20T10:15:35+1100

Themanbun said:
I think it comes from some coaches when the chips are down taking a big risk and letting a non mid run through there to shake things up, but they do so knowing that it's just as likely to make things worse as to make it better.

It's much easier and far less risky to teach your main midfield group a variety of different stoppage setups and roles that emphasise different players, to be deployed in different scenarios, with a shot-caller, than it is to throw new additional mids in there and teach surplus mids forward or backline craft AND those stoppage setups.

I agree. Curtis, Zurhaar, Goater, Duursma, McKercher, Simpkin should all be playing the majority of their games on flanks/wings but used in that 25% supplementary/rest time for our 4-5 mids.

buttox · 2024-10-20T10:29:33+1100

bengrina said:
What about that keep forward

Sure we need one.
But not to the point of taking a ridiculous deal.
For example 18 and 20 for 2 is not worth it just keep 2
Obviously.
We cant force a good deal.
Staying at 2 has merrit

Ura · 2024-10-20T10:52:12+1100

Junk yard said:
Pink KPF? Hahaha. Not sure that's why we picked him.

Definetly not. He did start as a forward as a jnr though. Only thing i will give him is he was a hard tackler. Couldnt kick but did tackle hard

roos 10 · 2024-10-20T10:57:25+1100

buttox said:
Sure we need one.
But not to the point of taking a ridiculous deal.
For example 18 and 20 for 2 is not worth it just keep 2
Obviously.
We cant force a good deal.
Staying at 2 has merrit

6/11 or we keep 2

perplexed · 2024-10-20T11:07:08+1100

Woke up this morning to go for a ride and discovered that not only did I have a flat tyre but some f..ker had stolen my good bike pump from the front porch. There is an old klepto who wanders the neighbourhood with a shopping trolley collecting pot plants and garden gnomes. I’m going to blame her for both the pump and our list management shambles and go on BF and have a whinge about it.

Having spent years drafting kids and being told that we know where we are at, we have now abandoned our long-term approach for some short-term pain relief to protect the reputations of the senior members of our football department. We suddenly need to bring in experience all over the field to help our kids. Well, if we knew where we were, why didn’t we need that this year? This year the game plan was as big a problem than the list. But look over here, these guys will help, like me they won premierships ten years ago.

The general strategy we’ve taken is exactly what I feared we would do. In short, we have kept the list cloggers and doubled down on retreads to further clog the list. I won’t post again the list of our recycled players from recent years, but that we continue to go down this path despite its complete lack of success infuriates me. We are going into the supposedly deepest draft in years, unfortunately we don’t have any list positions left despite getting to keep our extra rookie spots.

Coming out of the trade period with only pick 2 is bizarre. I know we could still split, we’ll see. But where we are now, it looks to me like we will continue to try and fill the biggest holes in our list with the smallest possible investment. We haven’t a top ten pick on a tall since Lachie Hansen – we’ve had ten in that time. We haven’t used a draft pick on a small forward since Corey Wagner.

By comparison to this year, next years draft is supposed to be weak. Unfortunately we have a massive pile of cloggers coming out of contract then. Several of these could have easily been cut this year: CCJ, Stevo, Pink, Bergman, we even re-signed archetypal list clogger Will Phillips.

Is there a long-term list management strategy in place or just a short-term fix? It doesn’t look like it.

Masked Avenger · 2024-10-20T11:09:37+1100

ROOboy81 said:
Great work Brady Rawlings and team!

Overpay with Pick 25 on a player Beveridge clearly moved past when we could've used that pick to select a tall forward that Darling and Larkey could've mentored over the journey.

Now he'll attempt to used a future asset to further derail our 2025 Draft assets.

F@ck3n SEETHING!!

I think Daniel's impact will be far greater than people think - just my opinion.

Wouldn't get too hooked up on what Bevo did or didn't do. Good coach but he's spent all his tickets at the Dogs. He had all but given up on Lobb and dumb luck turned him into Ross Glendinning. He was also regularly criticised for moving Bont away from the action during critical stages of games.

Daniel, like Johannisen, fell down the pecking order behind the likes of Richards and Dale.

We don't have anyone of that calibre.

buttox · 2024-10-20T11:20:29+1100

roos 10 said:
6/11 or we keep 2

Yes id take that.
6, 18, 24 would be tempting also.
But im not going to lose sleep if we keep our current hand it is still decent.
Carlton traded pretty much everything they have for an identical hand to us.

ferball · 2024-10-20T11:35:37+1100

FootySmartSimpson said:
So…we should keep pick 2 and spend it on another midfielder then?

We should take Tauru or Armstrong with our first pick, whatever it is, and commit to making them one of the best KPFs in the comp within five years.

FootySmartSimpson · 2024-10-20T11:39:53+1100

buttox said:
Yes id take that.
6, 18, 24 would be tempting also.
But im not going to lose sleep if we keep our current hand it is still decent.
Carlton traded pretty much everything they have for an identical hand to us.

Practically, this means Tauru, a small forward and another KPP.

Just get it done.

ferball · 2024-10-20T11:41:15+1100

perplexed said:
Woke up this morning to go for a ride and discovered that not only did I have a flat tyre but some f..ker had stolen my good bike pump from the front porch. There is an old klepto who wanders the neighbourhood with a shopping trolley collecting pot plants and garden gnomes. I’m going to blame her for both the pump and our list management shambles and go on BF and have a whinge about it.

Having spent years drafting kids and being told that we know where we are at, we have now abandoned our long-term approach for some short-term pain relief to protect the reputations of the senior members of our football department. We suddenly need to bring in experience all over the field to help our kids. Well, if we knew where we were, why didn’t we need that this year? This year the game plan was as big a problem than the list. But look over here, these guys will help, like me they won premierships ten years ago.

The general strategy we’ve taken is exactly what I feared we would do. In short, we have kept the list cloggers and doubled down on retreads to further clog the list. I won’t post again the list of our recycled players from recent years, but that we continue to go down this path despite its complete lack of success infuriates me. We are going into the supposedly deepest draft in years, unfortunately we don’t have any list positions left despite getting to keep our extra rookie spots.

Coming out of the trade period with only pick 2 is bizarre. I know we could still split, we’ll see. But where we are now, it looks to me like we will continue to try and fill the biggest holes in our list with the smallest possible investment. We haven’t a top ten pick on a tall since Lachie Hansen – we’ve had ten in that time. We haven’t used a draft pick on a small forward since Corey Wagner.

By comparison to this year, next years draft is supposed to be weak. Unfortunately we have a massive pile of cloggers coming out of contract then. Several of these could have easily been cut this year: CCJ, Stevo, Pink, Bergman, we even re-signed archetypal list clogger Will Phillips.

Is there a long-term list management strategy in place or just a short-term fix? It doesn’t look like it.

We've delisted five players you'd call list cloggers, six if you count Shiels. There's bound to be more to come.

Sillygit · 2024-10-20T11:49:21+1100

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ferball said:
We've delisted five players you'd call list cloggers, six if you count Shiels. There's bound to be more to come.

And we've brought in experienced players because our senior players are lacking at best.

Passmore · 2024-10-20T11:55:14+1100

Sillygit said:
.

And we've brought in experienced players because our senior players are lacking at best.

It's a no win situation.

Bring in 3 decorated, experienced players to fill gaping holes = abandoning our youth strategy. Never mind the roughly 20 kids we'll have in the 1-4 year cohort by the time drafting is done.

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Passmore · 2024-10-20T12:00:35+1100

roos 10 said:
6/11 or we keep 2

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the internal discussions.

I'm sure there staff banging on the table for either scenario. Take probably Draper at 2 if Smith is gone, or split it for some balance.

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krakouers · 2024-10-20T12:02:53+1100

ferball said:
We should take Tauru or Armstrong with our first pick, whatever it is, and commit to making them one of the best KPFs in the comp within five years.

Cmon ferball , we need more over dramatics mate, no simple logic…

Mr north man · 2024-10-20T12:10:08+1100

I think at best if we traded pick 2 for 2 picks inside the top 15 I’d be happy with that as we won’t get 2 picks inside the top 10.
Also I’d be passing on the pick in the 60s recon we either get a DFA or go to PSD.
As for the following players Lazzaro,Drury and Harvey sorry fellers this is business we can’t afford carry any more players either on the list or as rookies.
Speaking of Rookies I don’t think River Stevens is not going to make so I be sceptical about Rookie him plus we already player similar to him in Payne which I have a ? Over him whether his going to make it.

perplexed · 2024-10-20T12:26:32+1100

ferball said:
We've delisted five players you'd call list cloggers, six if you count Shiels. There's bound to be more to come.

There has to be just to comply with AFL rules. As a minimum we will be axing Cooper and Laz and pushing CJ to the rookie list to give us just three main list spots.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-20T12:28:14+1100

perplexed said:
There has to be just to comply with AFL rules. As a minimum we will be axing Cooper and Laz and pushing CJ to the rookie list to give us just three main list spots.

We started with one less on the senior list this year 37-7
Can go to 38-6 which I expect us to do

I expect us to keep one of coop, laz, Drury on the rookie list (ideally coop)

Gives us 3 spots which we can use

perplexed · 2024-10-20T12:39:21+1100

The Nostradamus said:
We started with one less on the senior list this year 37-7
Can go to 38-6 which I expect us to do

I expect us to keep one of coop, laz, Drury on the rookie list (ideally coop)

Gives us 3 spots which we can use

That is what I said. I was keeping Drury. Not because I want to particularly, but Clarko seems to like him, and he is Harry's mate and I would rather keep him happy.

The Nostradamus · 2024-10-20T12:41:19+1100

perplexed said:
That is what I said. I was keeping Drury. Not because I want to particularly, but Clarko seems to like him, and he is Harry's mate and I would rather keep him happy.

Yeah I’d rather keep cooper or even laz over Drury

Either of those better off getting a rookie spot before him imo

ferball · 2024-10-20T12:56:45+1100

krakouers said:
Cmon ferball , we need more over dramatics mate, no simple logic…

Oh sorry.

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Horace · 2024-10-20T13:03:47+1100

Gee there is a lot of angst here about the trading of Pick 25, which will probably move out further on the night. 44 however might well move closer as the father sons and academy bids are covered.

Now I understand that this is supposed to be a really good draft, but those two picks are still 25+ and 44-. So the probability of them being good long term players, is still lower, than the short term gains we will hopefully get from Daniels and Parker. And Darling who cost us next to nothing

As I said in an earlier post, this recruitment is to help build the experience gap while our recent draftees develop and become hardened footballers. Footballers who have played 50 to 100 games, when they are really going to improve our capacity to win more games than we lose. That's 3 years away and that's exactly the time frame that these players have been brought in to bridge the gap.

I have another left field view of this trading and that is that LDU becomes a free agent next year. It has been reported here and there and everywhere, and who knows what is true, but he is apparently waiting to see some improvement before he decides to re-sign or not. May that be part of the recruiting teams thought process, "Lets get some improvement and wins on the board in the short term, so that we have a better chance of retaining LDU"?. And for that matter, maybe attracting a very good free agent in the next year or two.

shinboner magic · 2024-10-20T13:35:48+1100

6+10 v 6+18+23

The first one is better deal but after drafted everyone is on an even keel.
Some players develop quicker than others

buttox · 2024-10-20T13:42:09+1100

shinboner magic said:
6+10 v 6+18+23

The first one is better deal but after drafted everyone is on an even keel.
Some players develop quicker than others

I bet we would prefer 6 and 10 and have a ssp player. Just to improve our demographics a bit.
Either is managable.

ToxicMegaPunts · 2024-10-20T13:51:01+1100

roos 10 said:
6/11 or we keep 2

6/11, that is rational.

LuvtheKangas · 2024-10-20T14:09:42+1100

I'd be surprised if Richmond are willing to trade pick 6 to us, even if the 2nd part of the split is later than 11.

I hope they will, but am not expecting it.

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