List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part 3

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades - Update - 16th October

Picks	Clubs	Result
15-10-24 - Pick Trade	StKilda & Brisbane	Brisbane receives St Kilda's R2 (27) Pick St Kilda receives Brisbane's R2 (32,45) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Essendon	Melbourne receives Essendon's R1 (9), 2025 R3 Pick Essendon receives Melbourne's 2025 F1, 2024 R2 (28,40), R3(46,54), R4 (65) Picks
14-10-24 - Pick Trade	Melbourne & Adelaide	Adelaide receives Melbourne's 2025 3R Pick Melbourne receives Adelaide's 2024 3R(46) Pick
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Brisbane & Richmond	Richmond receives Brisbane's 1R Pick (pick 20) Brisbane receives Richmond's 2R (32,42), 3R (43,45) Picks
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Brisbane	Carlton receives Brisbane's R4 (73), 2025 R2 Pick Brisbane receives Carlton's R2(34), R4(66)
11-10-24 - Pick Trade	Carlton & Hawthorn	Carlton receives Hawthorn's R1(14) pick Hawthorn receives Carlton's 2025 R1, R2 (tied to Carlton) picks

Player	Original Club	Trade/FA	New Club	Result
Daniel Rioli	Richmond	Trade	Gold Coast	Gold Coast receive Richmond's Daniel Rioli 17 Daniel Rioli Age 27 Ht 179cm Wt 78kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 11.2 3star K 5.8 2star HB 5.4 4star M 2.7 3star T 3.2 5star MG 179.2 3star D 8.1 2star K 4.9 2star HB 3.3 2star M 2.0 2star T 2.6 4star MG 144.9 3star D 9.0 3star K 3.8 2star HB 5.2 4star M 0.8 1star T 3.8 5star MG 160.2 3star , R4 (51,61,70,76) Picks Richmond receive GC's R1(6), R2(23) Picks
Shai Bolton	Richmond	Trade	Fremantle	Fremantle receive Richmond's Shai Bolton 29 Shai Bolton Age 25 Ht 176cm Wt 77kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.3 3star K 6.9 3star HB 5.4 4star M 2.8 3star T 2.9 4star CL 1.4 4star D 12.7 3star K 9.2 4star HB 3.5 2star M 3.0 3star T 2.7 4star CL 1.8 4star D 9.2 3star K 4.6 2star HB 4.6 4star M 2.0 3star T 2.6 4star CL 0.0 1star , R1(14), 2025 R3 Pick. Richmond receive Fremantle's R1(10,11,18) Picks
Harry Sharp	Brisbane & Melbourne	Trade	Melbourne	Melbourne receives Brisbane's Harry Sharp, 2025 R3 pick (tied to Brisbane) Brisbane receives Melbourne's 2024 R3(49), 2025 R3 pick (tied to Essendon).
Dan Houston Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star Joe Richards Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star John Noble 9 John Noble Age 27 Ht 180cm Wt 72kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 16.3 4star K 9.2 4star HB 7.1 4star M 3.5 4star T 2.0 4star MG 186.1 3star D 14.2 3star K 7.7 3star HB 6.5 4star M 3.2 3star T 1.8 3star MG 149.7 3star D 18.8 5star K 11.0 4star HB 7.8 5star M 4.0 4star T 2.2 4star MG 229.8 4star	Port Adelaide Gold Coast Collingwood Gold Coast Collingwood	Trade	Collingwood Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Port Adelaide Gold Coast	Port Adelaide receives GC's R1(13),GC R2(29,36), GC R3(50) Picks, Jack Lukosius 13 Jack Lukosius Age 24 Ht 195cm Wt 91kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 3star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 4star MG 369.3 5star D 14.8 4star K 11.5 4star HB 3.3 2star M 3.4 3star T 1.8 3star MG 369.3 5star D 13.6 4star K 11.2 4star HB 2.4 3star M 4.2 4star T 2.2 4star MG 358.0 5star , Joe Richards, Rory Atkins 2 Rory Atkins Age 30 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 19.9 5star K 12.1 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.6 4star T 1.9 4star MG 367.4 5star D 9.0 2star K 5.0 2star HB 4.0 3star M 0.3 1star T 2.7 4star MG 147.7 3star D 14.2 4star K 8.8 4star HB 5.4 4star M 4.0 4star T 1.2 3star MG 217.8 4star Gold Coast receives Collingwood's 2025 F1, PA's 2025 F1, PA R2(39) Collingwood receive Dan Houston 5 Dan Houston Age 27 Ht 186cm Wt 88kg Pos. Def Career Season Last 5 D 18.2 5star K 11.8 4star HB 6.4 4star M 4.9 5star T 3.0 5star MG 289.2 4star D 17.6 4star K 11.6 4star HB 6.0 3star M 3.3 3star T 3.4 4star MG 319.9 5star D 16.6 4star K 12.4 5star HB 4.2 4star M 7.0 5star T 2.6 4star MG 279.8 5star , PA R4(58)
Matt Owies Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star	Carlton & Richmond	Trade	West Coast	Round 1 pick (3), Round 4 (63,68) to Carlton Round 1 Pick (14) to Richmond Round 1 Pick(12), R4 (73) to WCE Liam Baker 7 Liam Baker Age 26 Ht 173cm Wt 72kg Pos. D/F Career Season Last 5 D 15.7 4star K 7.8 3star HB 7.9 5star M 3.2 3star T 2.6 4star MG 222.2 3star D 14.6 4star K 6.8 3star HB 7.9 4star M 3.8 4star T 1.8 3star MG 191.9 3star D 14.4 4star K 6.2 3star HB 8.2 5star M 1.6 2star T 1.8 4star MG 224.2 4star to WCE Matt Owies to WCE
Isaac Cumming	GWS	UFA	Adelaide	End of Round 1 Compo (pick 21) to GWS
Josh Battle	St Kilda	UFA	Hawthorn	Round 1 Compo (Pick 8) to St.Kilda
Tom Campbell	St Kilda	DFA	Melbourne	No Compensation
Harry Perryman	GWS	UFA	Collingwood	Round 1 Compo (Pick 16) to GWS
Elliott Himmelberg	Adelaide	UFA	Gold Coast	No Compensation
Nick Haynes	GWS	UFA	Carlton	No Compensation
Alex Neal-Bullen	Melbourne	Trade	Adelaide	Round 2 Pick (28) to Melbourne
Jack Darling	West Coast	Trade	North Melbourne	Round 4 pick (68) to WCE
Jack Graham	Richmond	UFA	West Coast	End of Round 2 Compo (Pick 42) to Richmond

Brisbane Lions trade Harry Sharp and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Brisbane) to Melbourne for its 2024 Round 3 pick (currently 49) and its 2025 Round 3 pick (tied to Essendon).
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Collingwood get Houston and Pick 58 and give up: a future first round pick, Joe Richards to Port and John Noble

9

John Noble

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

7.1

4star

M

3.5

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

186.1

3star

D

14.2

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

149.7

3star

D

18.8

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

229.8

4star

to Gold Coast

Port get Jack Lukosius

13

Jack Lukosius

Age

24

Ht

195cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

369.3

5star

D

14.8

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.8

3star

MG

369.3

5star

D

13.6

4star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.4

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.2

4star

MG

358.0

5star

, Richards, Rory Atkins

2

Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

, picks 13, 29, 36 and 50 in this year’s draft while letting Houston go to Collingwood, their future first round pick, pick 39 in this year’s goes to Gold Coast and pick 58 goes to Collingwood.

Gold Coast get Noble, a future first round pick from each of Collingwood and Port Adelaide, and pick 39 (received from Port), while the Suns send Lukosius and Atkins, picks 13, 29 and 50 to Port Adelaide.
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St Kilda trade its Round Two selection (currently 27) to the Brisbane Lions for its Round Two selection (currently 32) and its Round Three selection (currently 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Three club trade approved.Richmond trade Liam Baker

7

Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

to the West Coast Eagles.West Coast Eagles trade its Round One selection (currently 3) and both its Round Four selections (currently 63 and 68) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft to Carlton.
Carlton trade Matthew Owies, its Round One selection (currently 12) and its Round Four selection (currently 73) to West Coast Eagles. Carlton trade its Round One selection (currently 14 ) to Richmond.
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Melbourne trade its two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 28 and 40), two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 46 and 54), its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 65) and its 2025 Round 1 selection to Essendon.
Essendon trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 9) and its 2025 Round 3 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively to Melbourne.
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Melbourne trade its 2025 Round 3 selection to the Adelaide Crows for its 2024 Round 3 selection (currently 46) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Brisbane trade its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 20) to Richmond for two 2024 Round 2 selections (currently 32 and 42) and two 2024 Round 3 selections (currently 43 and 45) in the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft.
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Carlton trade its 2024 Round 2 selection (currently 34) and 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 66) to Brisbane for its 2024 Round 4 selection (currently 73) and 2025 Round 2 selection in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.
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Carlton trade its 2025 Round 1 selection and 2025 Round 2 selection (tied to Carlton) to Hawthorn for its 2024 Round 1 selection (currently 14) in the 2024 and 2025 Telstra AFL Drafts respectively.

Spoiler: 2024 Draft Picks

 

[Nutjob]

Ford, Duursma, Darling, Zurhaar

Darling plays as a genuine key forward. It’s a short term play regardless.

Jury is out on Ford.


Look at what we have invested in the midfield (draft) and compare that to up forward.

We’re screaming out for a talented hybrid forward who can change a game. I think Duursma will be that.

Zurharr will play a role, but I think we’re seeing his ceiling.




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[perplexed]

Darling plays as a genuine key forward. It’s a short term play regardless.

Jury is out on Ford.


Look at what we have invested in the midfield (draft) and compare that to up forward.

We’re screaming out for a talented hybrid forward who can change a game. I think Duursma will be that.

Zurharr will play a role, but I think we’re seeing his ceiling.




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They are all 189-191cm forwards. We need genuine tall and small forwards. Gollant doesn't make any sense.

 

[Nutjob]

They are all 189-191cm forwards. We need genuine tall and small forwards. Gollant doesn't make any sense.

Were we need talking about Duursma?


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[perplexed]

Were we need talking about Duursma?


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The conversation started with a rumour that he were about to list Gollant.

 

[The Warlord]

 

[North Viking]

Delete this.
Doesn’t fit the narrative that Rawlings doesn’t know what he’s doing.

 

[perplexed]

That's a relief. I was worried how we'd fit everyone under the cap.

 

[Roostorm]

Just makes this deal by Brady and co even better…Parker Jacob and swans paying Parker in 2025….all for 44…
Genius

 

[Firebat]

Delete this.
Doesn’t fit the narrative that Rawlings doesn’t know what he’s doing.

Lol yes Kudos for Rawlings for paying a normalised contract! Offsets the overpays on CCJ, Fisher, Stephens and Daniel nicely!

 

[Roostorm]

exactly what we need.

 

[Makeshift Park]

exactly what we need.

No weights, heart monitor or vo2 mask in sight.

Delist.

 

[The Anvil]

Prestia, Lynch, Broad, McIntosh, Vlastuin, Nankervis, Short, Hopper, Taranto, Miller, Balta, Mansell, Ross, Koschitzke, Ralphsmith have all played 50+ and probably at least a dozen of them are starters.

Doubt we take any DFAs. Maybe one max. Think we'll pump games into the kids for a couple of years before looking to free agents.

I still don't the Tigers winning a game next season, but like I said why would you care given you've just won 3 premierships.

No issue with getting a handful of kids and looking forward to the next run. It's what we did but it comes with plenty of pain.

I don't watch Tigers games, so I can't really comment on that list. If you believe in that group then fair enough.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Darling plays as a genuine key forward. It’s a short term play regardless.

Jury is out on Ford.


Look at what we have invested in the midfield (draft) and compare that to up forward.

We’re screaming out for a talented hybrid forward who can change a game. I think Duursma will be that.

Zurharr will play a role, but I think we’re seeing his ceiling.




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You/we are in for a lot of disappointment if we believe Darling is a 'genuine' key forward. He is no where near being able to play that role and cannot expected to do so in 2025.

However we certainly need a 'genuine' 2nd key forward - Teakle was by far our best option as evidenced in that run of games where we looked like causing an upset - but Darling isn't it.

Teakle, Comben, W Dawson, CCJ and then Darling would be the order of their ability to play a genuine 2nd key forward in 2025.

Depth is very poor in that area and this was the year we needed to fix it - but alas we haven't been able to.

 

[tiger_tough]

I still don't the Tigers winning a game next season, but like I said why would you care given you've just won 3 premierships.

No issue with getting a handful of kids and looking forward to the next run. It's what we did but it comes with plenty of pain.

I don't watch Tigers games, so I can't really comment on that list. If you believe in that group then fair enough.

Of course we'll win a game. How many times has that been suggested recently? and how many times has it actually occurred? The answer is 0. Last time was 1964.

Bit strange to have an opinion on how many games we'll win on one hand, then admit to not knowing the list on the other

 

[Ura]

You/we are in for a lot of disappointment if we believe Darling is a 'genuine' key forward. He is no where near being able to play that role and cannot expected to do so in 2025.

However we certainly need a 'genuine' 2nd key forward - Teakle was by far our best option as evidenced in that run of games where we looked like causing an upset - but Darling isn't it.

Teakle, Comben, W Dawson, CCJ and then Darling would be the order of their ability to play a genuine 2nd key forward in 2025.

Depth is very poor in that area and this was the year we needed to fix it - but alas we haven't been able to.

Darling can play as a genuine KPF for the next 2 years. He is a big upgrade on pink and will help with structure and teashing the young players coming through.

Chom will settle back for another year.

The question I'm still asking is where are we playing Will Dawson. I thought he looked great as a back but we started to play him forward. I feel that will impact who we draft. Tauru is probably similar in he could be drafted as KPF or KPB. I prefer KPF for him.

 

[DuckYeah]

Of course we'll win a game. How many times has that been suggested recently? and how many times has it actually occurred? The answer is 0. Last time was 1964.

Bit strange to have an opinion on how many games we'll win on one hand, then admit to not knowing the list on the other

How many of those above mentioned will be on the list in 2026? In 2027?

 

[Ura]

Of course we'll win a game. How many times has that been suggested recently? and how many times has it actually occurred? The answer is 0. Last time was 1964.

Bit strange to have an opinion on how many games we'll win on one hand, then admit to not knowing the list on the other

Every year a team gets the "wont win a game" every year they win one. Will happen again. Your midfield still has potentially Nank, Taranto and Hooper who can win games for you. A team will lose every game in a season again at some stage though. I dont think it will be Tigers though

 

[New_Roo]

Harry lemmey i rate will be a cheap one for next year when out of contract, they played him a bit in defence in vfl but he should be playing forward

just that he's never getting in over harry and curnow

There were a couple of games late in the season where both curnow and Mackay were injured, yet played kemp as a makeshift fwd not Lemmey?????


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[New_Roo]

Of course we'll win a game. How many times has that been suggested recently? and how many times has it actually occurred? The answer is 0. Last time was 1964.

Bit strange to have an opinion on how many games we'll win on one hand, then admit to not knowing the list on the other

But you only won 2 this year and that was with all those above plus Rioli, Bolton and Graham!


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[Ura]

i Think taking those delist options from other clubs is the epitome of getting list cloggers. If developed with Mckay and Curnow and still couldnt be a forward i think will fail. Is there a good example of a delisted key forward making any impact at AFL level?

 

[The Nostradamus]

i Think taking those delist options from other clubs is the epitome of getting list cloggers. If developed with Mckay and Curnow and still couldnt be a forward i think will fail. Is there a good example of a delisted key forward making any impact at AFL level?

FYI the player being discussed is not delisted Lemmey is contracted for next year

 

[The Anvil]

Of course we'll win a game. How many times has that been suggested recently? and how many times has it actually occurred? The answer is 0. Last time was 1964.

Bit strange to have an opinion on how many games we'll win on one hand, then admit to not knowing the list on the other

Feel free to message me when you get a win, I'm sure you'll enjoy that. Don't get me wrong, I don't care either way. The Tigers have been very generous to the Roos giving us many of our very few wins over the years.

The Tigers had two wins last season and got weaker in terms of experience, that's what I base it on.

 

[krakouers]

Lateral movement
Aerial Superiority
Never give up attitude
Gallopes down the wing
Fifty metre plus kicking
Opens up play
Ready to go
Decides games by kicking goals

So 7 players?

 

[the big lebowski]

So 7 players?

LANGFORD

7 players in 1

 

[Nutjob]

The conversation started with a rumour that he were about to list Gollant.

Ok fair enough. Nah don’t need him.


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