List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[King Hansen]

I look at Mitchell’s recruiting strategy over the last few years. He’s targeted players to play to his game plan.

Compare that with ours…

“Experience, experience, experience”. Experience ain’t a silver bullet unfortunately.

How about defining a way we want to play and recruit players accordingly.

It's because they already had the experience there and even a couple of premiership players. Our leadership is Luke ****ing McDonald....

 

[swaeney]

I know this is not a popular opinion but I didn't get the Liam Shiels thing. Great bloke but how many times did he feature in our best players? I'm betting not once. Assistant coach sure. Player - not for me.

I don’t think Shiels was recruited to get in our best players every week. Watch the last quarter of the WCE game we won and then ask yourself if we’d have won that if Shiels wasn’t out there.

Sheez has spoken publicly about how his leadership and direction has helped him so much. Would Harry be our best player if Shiels wasn’t working with him behind the scenes?

 

[spurs]

Darling should retire he’s a joke and I’m all on board the get rid of Rawlings train if this eventuates .

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

Having Darling work up the ground as a CHF would improve the following dramatically:

- control of the ball across HF and wing, leading to better inside 50 entries. So much of our utter shitness over the last 3 years has come from not being able to clear from defensive fifty. Any player we bring across (cheaply) that can help us move the ball is worth it in my opinion, especially as we should be bringing in a couple of KPFs to learn from him.

- flow on effect of defensive match-ups. Given proper medical checks and fitness, he can be a real handful still with his lead/mark game. He would draw the second defender. Teakle, Duursma and Zurhaar all benefit as they play on smaller/lesser defenders. Not to mention, the benefit for Larkey who needs conditions just so to take advantage.

HF: Duursma Darling Curtis
F: Zurhaar Larkey (F.Pocket)
I:Teakle

The above forward line probably (with the addition of a speedy, defensive crumber will massively stretch defences.

 

[ChairmanZia]

I reckon we were targeting tex too and he was waiting to see if he was offered an ext, assuming that's now 2 yrs for Tex which is what we were going in with, same with Darling. We offering one more than current, then no doubt be going after one or 2 kpf in the draft. Darling or someone similar will give them chance to develop before being thrown in. I don't mind it. Darling alone isn't the solution, but Darling coupled with one or two draftees is a sound solution. Also wouldn't mind Day too and then they can cover each other. Pink isn't a fwd, and hopefully teakle develops and provides competition with cj for that ruckfwd spot. Although maybe neither are up to it


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I agree, darling is the interim plug-in for 2 years for us to find/develop another 2 key forwards.

What about matured draftees for that key forward like ben brown, im sure there are enough out there.

Generally, you want to draft your key pos players 3 years ahead of the mids.

 

[ChairmanZia]

Having Darling work up the ground as a CHF would improve the following dramatically:

- control of the ball across HF and wing, leading to better inside 50 entries. So much of our utter shitness over the last 3 years has come from not being able to clear from defensive fifty. Any player we bring across (cheaply) that can help us move the ball is worth it in my opinion, especially as we should be bringing in a couple of KPFs to learn from him.

- flow on effect of defensive match-ups. Given proper medical checks and fitness, he can be a real handful still with his lead/mark game. He would draw the second defender. Teakle, Duursma and Zurhaar all benefit as they play on smaller/lesser defenders. Not to mention, the benefit for Larkey who needs conditions just so to take advantage.

HF: Duursma Darling Curtis
F: Zurhaar Larkey (F.Pocket)
I:Teakle

The above forward line probably (with the addition of a speedy, defensive crumber will massively stretch defences.

Viola

 

[ChairmanZia]

Yep Day and Membrey vastly superior options. If they fail then Gollant as a delisted free agent.

What about seb ross, he is a delisted player, 30 with good experience, he is also free.

 

[scottywiper]

Darling should retire he’s a joke and I’m all on board the get rid of Rawlings train if this eventuates .

About time!

 

[perplexed]

It's because they already had the experience there and even a couple of premiership players. Our leadership is Luke ****ing McDonald....

No it isn't. We weren't beaten by twenty goals because of Sicily and Gunston. Hawthorn don't have any players in their team who can't run. They play four small forwards who run up and down the ground all game. We don't have any on our list. They kick to space and run onto the ball, we either chip kick or handball through congestion. Lack of experience is being used as an excuse for lack of a relevant game plan and poor list management.

 

[ChairmanZia]

Does anyone seriously look at Hawthorn and think that the reason they are going so well this year is their experienced players? If so, they probably haven't watched them play. They completely ran us off our legs. We don't have players who can run fast enough for long enough. We need speed and endurance. Recruiting old blokes is only going to slow us down and give our opponents someone else to run off.

That's a developmental and whole team coordination issue.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Anyway, it's rumoured that Phillips has been extended at North. That means we can't sign in Darling under any circumstances.

Remember when Australia had Phillips and Darling playing together in the same team!

You bowled me over with that one.

 

[Ligma]

I am all for experience but Darling is ****ing cooked.

 

[Shinboner '07]

How silly do we look targeting darling when we could’ve just drafted Logan McDonald

 

[Twangler]

What about seb ross, he is a delisted player, 30 with good experience, he is also free.

Looks like Laverde might be an option too. Not opposed to picking up a handful of these types of players - if they are best 22 or near about, get them in!

 

[Boyroo]

Having Darling work up the ground as a CHF would improve the following dramatically:

- control of the ball across HF and wing, leading to better inside 50 entries. So much of our utter shitness over the last 3 years has come from not being able to clear from defensive fifty. Any player we bring across (cheaply) that can help us move the ball is worth it in my opinion, especially as we should be bringing in a couple of KPFs to learn from him.

- flow on effect of defensive match-ups. Given proper medical checks and fitness, he can be a real handful still with his lead/mark game. He would draw the second defender. Teakle, Duursma and Zurhaar all benefit as they play on smaller/lesser defenders. Not to mention, the benefit for Larkey who needs conditions just so to take advantage.

HF: Duursma Darling Curtis
F: Zurhaar Larkey (F.Pocket)
I:Teakle

The above forward line probably (with the addition of a speedy, defensive crumber will massively stretch defences.

Have you watched Darling the last few years?…. Will not add to our ball movement.
If he wasn’t playing for the Eagles he wouldn’t be on a list

 

[Nate1993]

What everyone is saying, is the problem the club has.

Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

32

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

isn't going to offer much to North. He doesn't offer much to West Coast. But many of you have said that he is about all we can get right now. So what!? I'd rather us launch for a big fish or go heavy on keys in the draft, than take another player who is likely to clog a list and not help propel us up the ladder. This is the issue. We keep putting stock in players that aren't very good because we believe we aren't worthy of a good player. And thusly, we keep the list at a pile of crap.

Realistically, no one player can come in and change the fabric of the club, unless it was Bontempelli. But the only thing Darling could potentially offer, is someone to drag an opponent away from Larkey. Which we have, Teakle, Maley, Comben, and Pink can all do already. We need to stop taking shitmen and start thinking better of ourselves.

 

[Nate1993]

Are we too good for Darling?

We got belted by 96 and 124 points. We bloody need anything we can get. Our team is in dire need of experience and leadership.

And Darling would have saved us this embarrassment...please. He would have likely added to the misery.

 

[Boyroo]

Would prefer to see Jack get to 300 at WCE(from a sentimental viewpoint) but probably a good bit of business between the 2 clubs if he's open to moving.

Bloke is durable and an elite trainer.

Obviously winding down from his younger lofty heights but you won't get someone half-arsing their way for a paycheck from him. He's a competitor.

Can’t mark, applies zero forward pressures, but hey, he’s an elite trainer… let’s put good money into him

 

[spurs]

About time!

You know that I’ve been positive about our rebuild, but if Rawlings is serious about offering that shit truck Darling a contract to play for us then he should be sacked. I’d rather someone like Day

 

[Boyroo]

until we can deliver the ball foward with speed and efficiency, darling is exactly the type we need.

I’m thinking …it’s a rubbish paper and the key word l picked up on is BELIEVED.
HARD PASS…..WE are not a club for retirement paycheques

Oh…. When did we stop being a retirement home for delisted players??

 

[Shermanator]

About time!

Getting Darling will set new Bronx cheers records at Marvel though..

 

[scottywiper]

He would be the ultimate clogger of the list. Which would be remarkable given our love for them.

 

[gerry101101]

I feel like this was made for this moment. Works as a message for both Brady and Jack D himself:



Although it’s probably Jack D’s manager who is playing inception here…

 

[Possession]

The Darling stuff sounds like player manager mischief to me.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

It’s been a while since we’ve seen the mock-up player in North jumper in the paper. The technology has improved, I’ll say that.