List Mgmt. 2024 Trade & List Management Thread - Part II

[shinboner magic]

Shhh shhh please no no ?!…
You will offend the “ I Clarko “
people here with those comments?!
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Enough David noble - you had your chance and you thought ccj was the saviour

 

[Moti]

Disagree all you like, mate, but defensive pressure allows everything else you just typed, not speed. It's a furphy.

Daicos and Sheezel are different players. One is not more dangerous than the other imo... Put Daicos in our midfield and see how he goes when he has to get his own ball consistently.


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Defensive pressure literally has nothing to do with anything in my view of the Hawks. It does certainly play a part in their success but not that paragraph. And speed is a big part of providing elite defensive pressure. Take speed away from Cyril and you would have a guy desperately trying to influence a game and rack up pressures but not rack of tackles and turnovers.

And Sheezel plays according to his ability, he can’t run like Daicos so of course he won’t play the same. He does an exceptional job with what he has.


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[ferball]

Newcombe would make a difference.

Maybe but you hear the constant whinging about too many mids... at the time of that draft we had Anderson, LDU, JZ, Cunners, Jy, Dumont, Tyson, TT, Turner, Phillips, Lazzaro and Powell as midfielders and were odds on to draft JHF.

 

[ferball]

Turn it up, not up to it and just been shown the door by a second club.

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If he hadn't missed 2023 with a shoulder injury he'd probably still be on our list.

 

[RossHenshaw]

 

[ferball]

Yeah it had nothing to do with experienced players like Gunston (33), Sicily (29), Frost (31), Amon (29), Scrimshaw (26), Worpel (25), Breust (33), Impey (29), Hardwick (27), Nash (26), Morrison (25), Moore (25), Chol (27), Meek (26).

If we had this many older guys prepared to commit to the sort of pressure we showed after the bye we'd have won more games after the bye too.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Yeah it had nothing to do with experienced players like Gunston (33), Sicily (29), Frost (31), Amon (29), Scrimshaw (26), Worpel (25), Breust (33), Impey (29), Hardwick (27), Nash (26), Morrison (25), Moore (25), Chol (27), Meek (26).

One of the great misnomers is that the Hawks are a young team.

14 of their 23 over 25.

Allows the younger blokes to take on less taxing roles.

 

[hilly]

Newcombe is a star. Ripped the Dogs a new one.

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[ferball]

Good player maybe, but Holmes is pushing into elite category


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Josh has played as many games as Holmes played in his first season. When he gets to 75 games we'll see how good he is.

 

[ferball]

One of the great misnomers is that the Hawks are a young team.

14 of their 23 over 25.

Allows the younger blokes to take on less taxing roles.

yet they are the sixteenth for age and experience. We are eighteenth btw.

 

[DunderHead]

yet they are the sixteenth for age and experience. We are eighteenth btw.

That’s misleading when you have most of your mature guys playing and not the kids

 

[ferball]

Exactly. They win enough loose contested ball, have excellent drive off half back, cut teams up in transition amd have the capacity to mop up loose balls in the forward half. We tried to implement the transition game earlier in the season, didn't have the skills to execute and got reamed on the rebound. We need to get fitter through the middle and develop a more functional and pressure applying forward line

Impey, Scrimshaw, Hardwick, Sicily, even Amon are responsible for alot of that. Takes the pressure off someone like Weddle.

 

[ferball]

That’s misleading when you have most of your mature guys playing and not the kids

Its not misleading. You misunderstand what I'm saying.

Have a look at the list of their players over 26 and what they do. Compare it to the five players over 26 on our list this past season.

Even the second least experienced team than us has shitloads more maturity in their side than we do and they do the heavy lifting.

 

[ferball]

Put Sicily , scrimshaw , Amon ,Hardwick into our defence and you’ll see the difference they would make
Youth can only do so much when there isn’t a senior core performing

Yep - young players can only keep up those levels of pressure for so long then they're cooked.

It takes time to develop the fitness base to keep it up. Remember how everyone said LDU was unable to apply pressure? Its only been the last couple of seasons (was 23 at the start of last year, is 25 years of age now) that he's been fit enough to maintain that level of intensity. X is the same. Its not just leg fitness. Its the fitness for repeat wrestling and fighting for the ball/position as well as the running.

 

[FootySmartSimpson]

So who do we compare ourselves with then? If the answer is nobody then what are we even in this ****ing league for?

I don't want to watch Richmond and West Coast shoot past us in 2 years time while we still hear the same old "well we can't compare our rebuild to theirs for x,y,z reason"

My point is that Hawthorn (with the help of already having and recruiting experience) have left us in the dust.

They have just convincingly won a final and are now in the top 7 teams.

 

[ohmygewd]

Is Hawthorn the Freo of 2022...hot football team, won their first final, bowed out and then spent 2023 being worked out and soul searching? Or is this sustainable in 2025?

 

[The Nostradamus]

Is Hawthorn the Freo of 2022...hot football team, won their first final, bowed out and then spent 2023 being worked out and soul searching? Or is this sustainable in 2025?

They will be good next year

Barrass and battle in, allowing Sicily and Weddle to be more attacking

Lewis in for chol

Their only area I’m not sold on is the midfield. Its solid but still think it lacks star power

 

[Shinboner1]

Is Hawthorn the Freo of 2022...hot football team, won their first final, bowed out and then spent 2023 being worked out and soul searching? Or is this sustainable in 2025?

they'll be a top team for the next 5-6 years.

 

[pupstar]

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You forgot to mention premierships won as a coach. Must of been an over site or glitch in the Matrix.

 

[archereleven]

They will be good next year

Barrass and battle in, allowing Sicily and Weddle to be more attacking

Lewis in for chol

Their only area I’m not sold on is the midfield. Its solid but still think it lacks star power

Their fixture should be much harder, but we all know ours will be instead...

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[Lomas]

they'll be a top team for the next 5-6 years.

I’m not sure, they have more older players than people think, but I’ve been wrong many times.

 

[Shinboner1]

I’m not sure, they have more older players than people think, but I’ve been wrong many times.

and a lot of very good young kids that will pick up the slack once the oldies retire

 

[pupstar]

My point is that Hawthorn (with the help of already having and recruiting experience) have left us in the dust.

They have just convincingly won a final and are now in the top 7 teams.

and a lot of very good young kids that will pick up the slack once the oldies retire

What ones are better than our kids Harry George Colby Zane and company.

 

[Ichiro #51]

It's more work rate than anything...

The most over blown misconception on this board is the need for fast runners lol
Footy iq, disposal skills, and work rate trump everything.

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I agree and would add to that being organized. We are constantly stuck in no man’s land.

 

[Shinboner1]

What ones are better than our kids Harry George Colby Zane and company.

Come on now.
You've named 4 players and one of them isn't best 22