Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Am I the only one who would prefer we just hold onto the picks and select another three first rounders?

The accepted wisdom is you build your list from the draft and then pivot to trading in when you're entering your window to maximise a push to the summit. This strategy appears to suit the aggressive goal setting from management.

I'd prefer to to simply making value based decisions rather than trying to time the market.

Bolton will be 26 next year. He's played 135 games over 8 seasons. Optimistically We would get 6 years and 120 games out of Bolton. I think there is more long term value in picks 9&10 or 9&16.

AFL is a funny business where winning a premiership is all that ever matters. It makes arguments like overpaying for Bolton is the right play given our window. For what it's worth, Brisbane's premiership team had one first year player, two second year players and two third year players.

Putting aside the arguments that everyone else is making which I agree with about trading for someone who will be very good for 5 years suiting our interest more.

I think if we were the type of team that could only draft well with first rounders, I'd be more persuaded to hold the top picks near and dear. Think West Coast. But I think we're pretty good at finding talent with lower picks. Geelong are the gold standard in that regard, and the fact they're so good at that means they can do all these all-in moves and then a couple years after you're thinking "How do you guys have a deeper younger core than some rebuilding teams?"

It just so happens that this year, the strength of the draft is its depth. I'm more concerned with making sure we have the list spots and picks to have many top 35-ish guys than holding onto the first rounders.

 

[Joao]

The two best arguments against taking 3 first rounders are

• that Bolton is almost certainly better than all of them in the next 2-3 years where we hope to win a flag.
• we'll find it hard to give opportunities to that much young talent. Case and point - Ras. Also consider how many times you've been frustrated (especially during Ross times) about a talented youngster being stuck behind a role player. That would happen to some/all of them.

It's a perfectly serviceable option, but I think trading for top end forward quality is better right now.

 

[Docker82]

The time to pivot to trading is now imo. There's no doubt Bolton will maximise our push, he's a bloody good player, potentially one of the best in the comp when on with his best ahead of him. He will be bloody good for us, exciting times.

Premierships are won by teams that probably have 16-18 players right in their prime.

I think people overreact when they see Will Ashcroft win a Norm Smith but if you looked at Brisbane’s team the youngsters playing are mostly very high picks or guys that’ve spent 2-3 full seasons in the system. Everyone else is right in their prime pretty much. In that same time Brisbane have traded in some reasonably high priced recruits from opposition clubs.

In 2013 we probably took 3-4 players into a Grand Final that were in their second year and they were mostly late picks still developing. By the time Neale, Fyfe and Walters were truly at the peak of their powers Pavlich and McPharlin were shadows of their former selves. If you throw Sandilands and Johnson in there it was four key players we needed to win a flag before they retired. I don’t think we have four players like that now but I’d still rather try and have a proper crack when Pearce, Ryan etc. are playing their best footy.

 

[Ge3ks]

Premierships are won by teams that probably have 16-18 players right in their prime.

I think people overreact when they see Will Ashcroft win a Norm Smith but if you looked at Brisbane’s team the youngsters playing are mostly very high picks or guys that’ve spent 2-3 full seasons in the system. Everyone else is right in their prime pretty much. In that same time Brisbane have traded in some reasonably high priced recruits from opposition clubs.

In 2013 we probably took 3-4 players into a Grand Final that were in their second year and they were mostly late picks still developing. By the time Neale, Fyfe and Walters were truly at the peak of their powers Pavlich and McPharlin were shadows of their former selves. If you throw Sandilands and Johnson in there it was four key players we needed to win a flag before they retired. I don’t think we have four players like that now but I’d still rather try and have a proper crack when Pearce, Ryan etc. are playing their best footy.

Previous post you say we should draft Allan and right after you push a case for trading in experienced players? Colour me confused.

 

[Docker82]

Brisbane also traded in Ah Chee, Neale, Daniher, Charlie Cameron, Darcy Fort and Conor McKenna as well as McCarthy who didn’t play. As well as three academy gifts.

You may make an argument that drafting 6 players woukd get the same result but you’d be wrong given Neale’s status

There’s almost no way Brisbane could’ve got players like Neale or Daniher other than shear dumb luck.

Neale is generational and players of Daniher’s talent don’t usually come outside the top ten, which apart from academy or FS picks Brisbane hasn’t had since 2017.

Charlie Cameron is almost but not quite entering the same discussion in terms of talent but finding an above average small forward with pick 20+ does happy for in most drafts tbh. Cameron has been better than above average but that’s probably all he is in 2024 IMO.

 

[Docker82]

He surfs too?

Everything footy related haha.

 

[Swiggy]

Bolton short term sugar hit or Allen and Berry long term

You make it sound like bolton is 30?

How do you even know if Berry & Allen get to our picks? or make it at the level?

Bolton is 26 and a proven star

 

[Bicco]

Don’t see it that way myself. Ashcroft is probably the best in the draft and deserves to go at 1
Richmond can offer to “help” Brisbane by not taking him at 1.

No blackmail just an offer to help

If that's done in the business world it's called collusion and is highly illegal.

 

[nurries]

If that's done in the business world it's called collusion and is highly illegal.

It’s more like Cartel behaviour of rigging bids

 

[Docker82]

Previous post you say we should draft Allan and right after you push a case for trading in experienced players? Colour me confused.

I want a balance between the two tbh. I still think we can bring in Bolton and hold at least two top 30 picks post trade period.

I think I’ve been quite consistent with that view over the last few months even if I sometimes only talk about one of mature aged players or draft picks in a post.

The only exception to the above is when Kozzie Pickett rumours started and I was sort of like ‘**** it - Kozzie and Bolton would be so good’. I only want mature aged guns or B Graders that fit our team perfectly, otherwise I’m reasonably happy to go to the draft. Best available first up (just not talls), needs later is the best strategy assuming Bolton comes in IMO - I don’t think small forward is that far ahead of midfield and HBF if you look at it from a what we need in three years perspective rather than what we need now.

 

[King Huskii]

He surfs too?

And cuts other people's grass better

 

[Polo342]

Does the absence of CTD on here make us think that something else is brewing this week

 

[Tony_Clifton]

My other prejudice against Bolton is that he seems like an old school docker. Capable of the sublime and the inexplicable on a week to week basis.

 

[Ge3ks]

And cuts other people's grass better

 

[Sturty2Hurty]

I lean towards taking one top 20 pick to the draft. Tigers for example picked up Bolton during the middle of their window.

 

[Ge3ks]

I want a balance between the two tbh. I still think we can bring in Bolton and hold at least two top 30 picks post trade period.

I think I’ve been quite consistent with that view over the last few months even if I sometimes only talk about one of mature aged players or draft picks in a post.

The only exception to the above is when Kozzie Pickett rumours started and I was sort of like ‘**** it - Kozzie and Bolton would be so good’. I only want mature aged guns or B Graders that fit our team perfectly, otherwise I’m reasonably happy to go to the draft. Best available first up (just not talls), needs later is the best strategy assuming Bolton comes in IMO - I don’t think small forward is that far ahead of midfield and HBF if you look at it from a what we need in three years perspective rather than what we need now.

Yeah I tend to agree. Bring in an established star and take a punt on a top end draft prospect. Best of both worlds.

 

[arsesmart]

If you are really asking and this is not some passive aggressive wank then

It was against us this year down the train station end and he already had four so I’m tipping 3rd or 4th quarter


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Getting a bit defensive there?

Just wanting to have a look to get a gauge on it is all. Calling it passive:aggressive is a bit random.

 

[kp junior]

Bolton history - Darren was the first Peel player to play for Freo if memory serves. Not that Shai will likely play a lot of games for Peel.


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[Cobbler]

I lean towards taking one top 20 pick to the draft. Tigers for example picked up Bolton during the middle of their window.

Yes, at pick 29…

 

[malpaso]

Am I the only one who would prefer we just hold onto the picks and select another three first rounders?

The accepted wisdom is you build your list from the draft and then pivot to trading in when you're entering your window to maximise a push to the summit. This strategy appears to suit the aggressive goal setting from management.

I'd prefer to to simply making value based decisions rather than trying to time the market.

Bolton will be 26 next year. He's played 135 games over 8 seasons. Optimistically We would get 6 years and 120 games out of Bolton. I think there is more long term value in picks 9&10 or 9&16.

AFL is a funny business where winning a premiership is all that ever matters. It makes arguments like overpaying for Bolton is the right play given our window. For what it's worth, Brisbane's premiership team had one first year player, two second year players and two third year players.

I'd prefer to get Bolton with a first rounder and a F1, then draft two first round picks this year.

 

[Joao]

I'd prefer to get Bolton with a first rounder and a F1, then draft two first round picks this year.

I'd say there is near zero chance we trade our F1 if we think Chad is coming next year.

 

[freo1997]

Does the absence of CTD on here make us think that something else is brewing this week

Probably has a life.

 

[Ge3ks]

Yes, at pick 29…

Shows what a gamble the draft is.
Swans just delisted their 2022 pick #27

Swans cut three after run to Grand Final

The Swans have announced three list changes

www.afl.com.au

 

[Heave Ho Bro]

Shows what a gamble the draft is.
Swans just delisted their 2022 pick #27

Swans cut three after run to Grand Final

The Swans have announced three list changes

www.afl.com.au

It is a gamble but our recent history shows it's one of the things our club is actually very good at.

 

[Docker82]

Shows what a gamble the draft is.
Swans just delisted their 2022 pick #27

Swans cut three after run to Grand Final

The Swans have announced three list changes

www.afl.com.au

The guy was a hawthorn NGA that didn’t make it past pick 40. Sydney doesn’t get everything right and neither does any team.