Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[Ge3ks]

Baker will end up at WC.

And Tigers fans will be dark on him.

 

[GingerDocker]

Thankyou for your service Joao.

Maybe DragoDelph could rustle up a badge of some sort to recognise this level of commitment to the cause?

 

[wakojako]

Yes, same as Yeo calling us first.

WC offering more money, so he will go there. Simple as that. WC will get their man.

Funny watching people apply that logic to Baker but not to Warner. And then there's the brother's salary you have to pay for.

 

[dominguez]

Anytime people bemoan the lost opportunity to draft the genuinely good players we could have got instead of Hogan in the 2018 draft, hold onto that feeling, bathe in it, brush your teeth to it, dance with your partner to it - because the feeling will return in 4 years.

I absolutely promise with 200 million percent certainty that we will regret giving over three first round picks for Bolton.

Totally different scenario. That was early in our rebuild, we're now in the window. Guys like Erasmus and Simpson were early picks and can't get a game. Sturt was a first rounder and just broke into the team after 4 years in the system.

Does taking Bolton make us a better team in 2025-2027? Definitely. Does holding on to picks 10 and 18 make us a better team in 2028 and beyond? Yes, but anything could happen by then. Who would have predicted at the end of the 2015 home and away season when we were minor premiers that we'd lose our first 10 games the next season? It can turn quickly, strike while the iron is hot.

 

[Paracleet]

Funny watching people apply that logic to Baker but not to Warner. And then there's the brother's salary you have to pay for.

My view is the only way he's not going to West Coast is if their internal metrics at the end of 2025 tell them they still need more than one top talent and can't justify the early picks. Otherwise I don't see how we can out bid them on wage or trade capital.
Of course if they finish second last with a % of 55 or something that could push it over the line.

 

[AstonSouffle]

Totally different scenario. That was early in our rebuild, we're now in the window. Guys like Erasmus and Simpson were early picks and can't get a game. Sturt was a first rounder and just broke into the team after 4 years in the system.

Does taking Bolton make us a better team in 2025-2027? Definitely. Does holding on to picks 10 and 18 make us a better team in 2028 and beyond? Yes, but anything could happen by then. Who would have predicted at the end of the 2015 home and away season when we were minor premiers that we'd lose our first 10 games the next season? It can turn quickly, strike while the iron is hot.

Thing is I don't think the iron is hot, we still field players such as Fyfe, Walters, Emmett, O'Meara, Banfield (who lost us games at numerous points this year Port and GWS.. they'd have been helpful wins), we still don't really have our second winger.

If we go all in on Bolton there's still other issues we won't tidy up, we will become similar to Port or the Dogs only cracking the top 4 fleetingly and then bow out - if Freo intend to be a powerhouse they need to do it sustainably, so they absolutely need to hold onto one of those three picks when paying for Bolton.

 

[rgauci]

Thing is I don't think the iron is hot, we still field players such as Fyfe, Walters, Emmett, O'Meara, Banfield (who lost us games at numerous points this year Port and GWS.. they'd have been helpful wins), we still don't really have our second winger.

If we go all in on Bolton there's still other issues we won't tidy up, we will become similar to Port or the Dogs only cracking the top 4 fleetingly and then bow out - if Freo intend to be a powerhouse they need to do it sustainably, so they absolutely need to hold onto one of those three picks when paying for Bolton.

Be more specific, we need to hold onto one of either pick 10 or pick 11. We can’t miss out on early picks too often, 2022, 2023 before we create a hole in our list. We haven’t drafted anyone from the top end of the draft in either of those years. Though I’ll admit Draper looks like 1st round quality.

 

[Taylor]

Notice how Dan Rioli was going to cost six and thirteen, from Richmond, and now the last week has been about how much GC will sell that thirteen for instead of giving it to Richmond.

 

[rgauci]

Notice how Dan Rioli was going to cost six and thirteen, from Richmond, and now the last week has been about how much GC will sell that thirteen for instead of giving it to Richmond.

Richmond
OUT: Rioli, Bolton, pick 20
IN: pick 6,10,11

GC
OUT: Pick 6, 13
IN: Rioli, Pick 18, Pick 20

Fremantle
OUT: pick 10, 11, 18
IN: Bolton, 13

Who says no?

I think Fremantle the most short changed… but I would.

 

[TheMcManusNose]

The AFL should lock all the list managers in a room without food or water and the last one out alive wins trade period.

Walls in with a good shot I reckon

 

[Docker82]

Notice how Dan Rioli was going to cost six and thirteen, from Richmond, and now the last week has been about how much GC will sell that thirteen for instead of giving it to Richmond.

Trading between the lines though, Melbourne and Carlton have already obtained superior first rounders from Essendon and Hawthorn respectively. Does that make it pretty much a one horse race (Collingwood). Surely North Melbourne don't trade a future first for pick 13 without getting something else pretty significant thrown in.

 

[Mags98]

Be more specific, we need to hold onto one of either pick 10 or pick 11. We can’t miss out on early picks too often, 2022, 2023 before we create a hole in our list. We haven’t drafted anyone from the top end of the draft in either of those years. Though I’ll admit Draper looks like 1st round quality.

cause weve brought in 3 the previous year and jackson instead of a rookie amongst other incomings

 

[Docker82]

Richmond
OUT: Rioli, Bolton, pick 20
IN: pick 6,10,11

GC
OUT: Pick 6, 13
IN: Rioli, Pick 18, Pick 20

Fremantle
OUT: pick 10, 11, 18
IN: Bolton, 13

Who says no?

I think Fremantle the most short changed… but I would.

Tbh I think Gold Coast would rather Collingwood's first rounder for next year instead of Picks 18 and 20. That's significant because Pick 13 was supposedly going to Collingwood and I think that still ends up happening.

 

[rgauci]

cause weve brought in 3 the previous year and jackson instead of a rookie amongst other incomings

I know; but that’s 2 consecutive years without drafting anyone at the top end of the draft. If we do it again (2024), that creates a big hole in the list. Much like we had in 2012-15 before our collapse.

 

[serial_thrilla]

GRR Martin vibes from the list managers over the past week.

 

[The Lobbster]

I know; but that’s 2 consecutive years without drafting anyone at the top end of the draft. If we do it again (2024), that creates a big hole in the list. Much like we had in 2012-15 before our collapse.

Yeah but our list doesn’t really reflect 2012-15 at all. It’s much younger and the reason we haven’t had first round picks recently is because we’ve brought in young top end talent like Jackson and presumably Bolton.

2012-15 we didn’t have good picks because we finished higher up the ladder and had an experience team. Therefore when the older guys started to decline, we didn’t have shit to replace them with.

 

[rgauci]

Yeah but our list doesn’t really reflect 2012-15 at all. It’s much younger and the reason we haven’t had first round picks recently is because we’ve brought in young top end talent like Jackson and presumably Bolton.

2012-15 we didn’t have good picks because we finished higher up the ladder and had an experience team. Therefore when the older guys started to decline, we didn’t have shit to replace them with.

It’ll happen again though. Same way we had very little from the 2004-7 drafts (almost none), we end up with the same gap but it’ll be 2022-5(?).

Slightly different as the window appears to be opening 2025 rather than 2009, but the same principle applies, at some point we’ll suffer from the choices made for the now over the future.

 

[pK75]

Yeah but our list doesn’t really reflect 2012-15 at all. It’s much younger and the reason we haven’t had first round picks recently is because we’ve brought in young top end talent like Jackson and presumably Bolton.

2012-15 we didn’t have good picks because we finished higher up the ladder and had an experience team. Therefore when the older guys started to decline, we didn’t have shit to replace them with.

Our decline was intensified as we delisted decent role players (De Boer, Barlow) and brought in F-Witts and spuds (kersten, matera, colyer)

 

[Van_Dyke]

if we end up with a great big hole in our list from a lack of draftees between 22 and 24/25, but walk away with a flag or two that’s a good deal imo

 

[_007_]

Melbourne have absolutely lost the plot with that trade.

 

[MadMundy]

Our decline was intensified as we delisted decent role players (De Boer, Barlow) and brought in F-Witts and spuds (kersten, matera, colyer)

Matera had that one good season at least, felt Colyer was solid as well in 2021 and 2022.

Kersten was just a bust all around.

 

[Andyy]

if we end up with a great big hole in our list from a lack of draftees between 22 and 24/25, but walk away with a flag or two that’s a good deal imo

This is exactly where we are now, only made even worse by Hopper + Taranto trades.

For years we were entering the draft around P18-22 and most didn't work out.

Am I OK with how things worked out? Absolutely.

Nothing compared to the feeling of a premiership after a drought. Was an amazing thing for my dad, brother and I and I'm so glad my dad saw more success since he might not make it to the next flag.

 

[pK75]

Matera had that one good season at least, felt Colyer was solid as well in 2021 and 2022.

Kersten was just a bust all around.

But why bother bringing any of them in during a rebuild? Agreed Colyer wasn’t a complete bust, but he hardly moved the needle.

 

[BeepTest]

Yeah but our list doesn’t really reflect 2012-15 at all. It’s much younger and the reason we haven’t had first round picks recently is because we’ve brought in young top end talent like Jackson and presumably Bolton.

2012-15 we didn’t have good picks because we finished higher up the ladder and had an experience team. Therefore when the older guys started to decline, we didn’t have shit to replace them with.

2012 - 15 we were screwed over by GC and GWS getting all the top picks imo. If they didn't come in Toby Green and Tom Lynch would have been in our pick ranges. Our run stopped early as our guns got old and we weren't able to top up with high end talent. Basically the scenario the clubs in full rebuild find themselves with Tassie.

 

[dominguez]

Thing is I don't think the iron is hot, we still field players such as Fyfe, Walters, Emmett, O'Meara, Banfield (who lost us games at numerous points this year Port and GWS.. they'd have been helpful wins), we still don't really have our second winger.

If we go all in on Bolton there's still other issues we won't tidy up, we will become similar to Port or the Dogs only cracking the top 4 fleetingly and then bow out - if Freo intend to be a powerhouse they need to do it sustainably, so they absolutely need to hold onto one of those three picks when paying for Bolton.

I see this season as a massive opportunity lost. Swans were the best team for almost the whole season and they're weak at both ends of the ground. Pearce comes back from his broken arm without hurting it again we play in a prelim at least IMO.

In 2013-2015 when we were consistently top 4 there were guys like Suban, Zach Clarke, Zach Dawson, Sutcliffe, Sheridan, etc that were role players in our side. There's a place for guys like O'Meara and Banfield that fill a role.

Unfortunately during that 2013-2015 period we timed our run which coincided with one of the best teams ever. There currently isn't that team, but in a couple of years Brisbane, Hawthorn or Gold Coast could potentially be that team.

Shai Bolton is 25, it's not like we're giving early picks for a 29 year old injury plagued Tom Barrass. How many players can have 400 possessions and 40 goals in a season like Bolton?

Lets say we do Bolton for 10 and 18 and go to the draft with 11. It's quite possible that Bolton plays more games in purple than whoever we take at 11.