Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[FreoMatt]

We will have the capital.
We can trade three years worth of draft picks.

Are you dim?

Your the dim one everyone one can trade 2 years in advance but having current year selections over a draft pick two years out who won’t impact until 3 years out is worth a lot less than a current year pick. Just because I believe WC having two picks next year over our one, gives them more chance to land Warner doesn’t mean you have to act like a F^<$wit, move on mate I think just agree to disagree

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[freo84]

It really depends on what Warner wants right.

He may be 'honourable' like Baker and want Sydney to be fairly compensated. If thats the case, then it will come down to how far each club is willing go to meet the 'fairly compensated' bar he's set.

He may be after money...we can't compete if he wants a pay day.

He may be after that elusive premiership. We can certainly offer him an opportunity to get one. But as we all know they are kinda hard to get to, and even harder to win.

The 2025 War for Warner will be an interesting watch.

 

[Vimal Anand]

By hearing him can we expect another small forward at pick 14?

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[_007_]

Heppell to Freo is still on. He'd be a good bloke to do the Murphy role.

 

[fnerd]

My argument against that would be I don't think Collingwood fixed what they were worst at - key positions on both ends. Whereas Shai directly addresses our biggest weaknesses, Houston and Perryman kinda just make Collingwood amazing at things they're already good at.

Getting Perryman and Houston while having no current firsts is great business, don't get me wrong. But now they're gonna have to go bargain basement to fix their real issues.

Definitely
There’re looking to bring in membrey and tomilson as kpf and kpd support respectively.

Reminds me of something freo would’ve done when Brad Lloyd was list manager

 

[arsesmart]

If people want to obsess on the WC can we get a separate thread for that or something? Just so much of it here. It dies down and then out of nowhere, fmd, someone stokes it up again.

 

[fnerd]

So what’s every one’s opinion on west coast ?, reckon they get Warner? What about the compo they got for their trades?

Look fwd to the discussion!

 

[theGav56]

I'm in two minds about West Coast. I can still see some level of reasoning behind their decisions but given their list profile and the fact they should be loading up pre-Tassie, it does scream desperation to buy a few wins and keep Reid invested. Being a middling side (at best) for the next couple of years while they squeeze the final bit of juice out of their 30+ brigade is fine...until you're left bottoming out in a series of compromised drafts.

For sure. No way Owies and Baker are relevant when they potentially become competitive. And they can bring some experience via delisted free agency or far cheaper trades while still snagging top players in the draft.

It's further confused by trading out Barrass (and I guess Darling).

We would handpass them Brodie for nix if we were actually on speaking terms with them.

 

[theGav56]

It really depends on what Warner wants right.

He may be 'honourable' like Baker and want Sydney to be fairly compensated. If thats the case, then it will come down to how far each club is willing go to meet the 'fairly compensated' bar he's set.

He may be after money...we can't compete if he wants a pay day.

He may be after that elusive premiership. We can certainly offer him an opportunity to get one. But as we all know they are kinda hard to get to, and even harder to win.

The 2025 War for Warner will be an interesting watch.

He could have publicly asked to be traded this year but did not.

That indicates he is more likely to take an 'honourable' stance. Doesn't mean he won't nominate us, but it means if we don't have the trade capital he may not.

If I was Sydney I would ask for something like 1st + F1 + Erasmus kind of trade, assuming Erasmus has a good year. (Of course they will ask for Serong, Brayshaw or Young initially).

Depending how things pan out with the Darcy/Jackson combo and how Knobel progresses I would consider Darcy.

The 2 or even 3 likely late firsts wouldn't cut it.

 

[Purple Suit]

He could have publicly asked to be traded this year but did not.

That indicates he is more likely to take an 'honourable' stance. Doesn't mean he won't nominate us, but it means if we don't have the trade capital he may not.

If I was Sydney I would ask for something like 1st + F1 + Erasmus kind of trade, assuming Erasmus has a good year. (Of course they will ask for Serong, Brayshaw or Young initially).

Depending how things pan out with the Darcy/Jackson combo and how Knobel progresses I would consider Darcy.

The 2 or even 3 likely late firsts wouldn't cut it.

2 firsts will cut it unless Sydney can get in the ear of one of our players and get them to demand a trade too. We can add a player unless they want to go and why would you leave the premiers?

Geelong do it everytime with less.

 

[Hamann188]

Yeah exactly. It'll be incredibly interesting to see the paths those two teams take over the next 5 or so years.

We're also an interesting comparison. I'd say by and large the list management team have done well to assemble a squad which looks well-placed to contend for a decent period of time, bar a couple of missteps and setbacks. From purely a list talent perspective, Freo are a decent marker and it's taken the better part of a decade to get to this point. If you consistently **** up your picks or don't commit to refreshing the entire squad (e.g., Essendon) it can really hamstring a club.

So it would be truly, truly awful if West Coast continue to convince themselves that they can refresh their squad quickly and cheaply by topping up.

Yeah. Awful.

 

[Suma Says]

Yeah exactly. It'll be incredibly interesting to see the paths those two teams take over the next 5 or so years.

We're also an interesting comparison. I'd say by and large the list management team have done well to assemble a squad which looks well-placed to contend for a decent period of time, bar a couple of missteps and setbacks. From purely a list talent perspective, Freo are a decent marker and it's taken the better part of a decade to get to this point. If you consistently **** up your picks or don't commit to refreshing the entire squad (e.g., Essendon) it can really hamstring a club.

So it would be truly, truly awful if West Coast continue to convince themselves that they can refresh their squad quickly and cheaply by topping up

Just a heads up - you spelled awesome wrong in that last paragraph

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

On West Coast, if they are in any way swayed in their list management decisions by what some 19 year old kid wants, they are ****ed.

 

[fnerd]

Yea I did wonder during the season whether this was an emerging (head)case for them ,when it kinda first got raised how Reid apparently stated he wanted to play with Elliot yeo

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, as in quite strongly hint hint …when there was talk to may take the dollars on offer from other clubs…

Of course he signed on and was in all likelihood going to anyway but yeah….

And then Their trading during this period really does seem have a strong element of a “need” to be competitive fairly quickly along side rebuilding and I honestly think Reid’s stated desire (don’t think it’s a secret) of wanting to play in a competitive team is major component of that .

Reid’s probably been the biggest positive for that club in quite few years, ironically (awesomely really ) it appears at the same time he could well end up being a massive negative.

Want to see what happens to a club when they pivot virtually all decision making around one individual?

Just ask Essendon

 

[freo84]

On West Coast, if they are in any way swayed in their list management decisions by what some 19 year old kid wants, they are ****ed.

Harley Reid to management...

 

[arsesmart]

He could have publicly asked to be traded this year but did not.

That indicates he is more likely to take an 'honourable' stance. Doesn't mean he won't nominate us, but it means if we don't have the trade capital he may not.

Not really. It's a big logical leap to think someone makes a decision on signing a contract based on the trade capital that might be there in a years time with that delay.

In fact just the opposite. By asking for a trade when in contract gives the current club much more hand in the deal.

 

[Paracleet]

Honestly I don’t get the haters around their trading - they needed multiple players, not just the sole player you’d get with pick 3. Right now they’ve turned pick 3 into what’s likely to be 3 best 23 players for the next 6+ years. If they slide slightly from pick 12 because ithey still get the player they want and another later pick then why not?

Also reckon they have done really well out of Barrass trade which sucks. At least it means I can really support the hoks next year - here’s hoping we reverse the 2013 result on them!

This is a stretch. I'd say it's 1 for 6 years. Owies and Butler are 28 and 27 respectively next season. 6 years time that's 34 and 33. Really you're getting 3 years from these guys*. Look at the list of players over 31 in the comp almost without exception they are ex A grade players or KPP's (Especially rucks. You don't get any shorter. Well not at that age anyway).

*Owies probably less. How many forwards whose best career season was 33 goals (over 30 once) are still in the system when they are 30???

 

[Docker82]

By hearing him can we expect another small forward at pick 14?

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I don’t think you can draw too many conclusions regarding the draft from that interview.

Says we’re in the now which is why we filled an immediate need in the best 22 for a small forward.

If anything he seems to indicate he thinks we’ve got most bases covered so that could just as easily mean ‘best available’ at the draft.

 

[Docker82]

This is a stretch. I'd say it's 1 for 6 years. Owies and Butler are 28 and 27 respectively next season. 6 years time that's 34 and 33. Really you're getting 3 years from these guys*. Look at the list of players over 31 in the comp almost without exception they are ex A grade players or KPP's (Especially rucks. You don't get any shorter. Well not at that age anyway).

*Owies probably less. How many forwards whose best career season was 33 goals (over 30 once) are still in the system when they are 30???

Honestly I think quite a few forwards that don’t reach 30 goals in a system are in the system at 30.

The thing about Owies though is I’m not sure what else he brings to the table other than those 30 goals. The guys that last without hitting 30 goals are high pressure small forwards or the guys that can go into the midfield. Owies is neither.

Actually think he’ll be okay for West Coast with Cripps and Long providing the pressure. Thing is Cripps will probably retire soon and Long isn’t much good pressure aside.

 

[Ge3ks]

On West Coast, if they are in any way swayed in their list management decisions by what some 19 year old kid wants, they are ****ed.

 

[Vimal Anand]

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[Quay Club]

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My copium on Chad for the next 12 months

1) Stays with Sydney - Fair enough but his loyalty is misguided. What is Kozzies number?

2) Signs with a Big 4 Victorian Team - Brown paper bags are out and he likes fashion. What is Kozzies number?

3) Wants to come home and picks West Coast - He rang Simmo before he got the sack and wants to play with the man child and happy to be a peacock, earn a squillion a year but have less success. What an idiot. What is Kozzies number?

4) Picks Freo - joins his East Freo mates in forming a dynasty that lasts for years and becomes triple Brownlow winner and a Hall of Famer. What is Kozzies number?

Choices, Choices, Choices....

It's going to be a long 12 months pondering on this

 

[Fred Ziffel]

One thing I particularly found interesting in David Walls’ comments was this. “ there was a couple of a grade players who told us they wanted to come to Fremantle “ “ I am not going to name those players “.
Now I have para phrased that a bit but you get my drift.
I am reading this as Chad and Kozzie have told me we want to come to Freo. “ can you get us there “ ?

Late edit: Fremantle.
“No players expressed even an inkling of discontent or wanting to move. They’re all locked in, very settled and committed to the cause,” he said.
“There were a few other players too — I won’t be able to name them — who were keen to get to Fremantle. It was a nice year for us in terms of not having anyone wanting to leave but having players that are actively trying to get to Fremantle is a nice position to be in.”

Here is the comments from David.

 

[Lach72]

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“And the fact we’ve been able to bring Shai in but still have a first rounder for this year that will give us the ability to then use our first rounder next year and go two into the future with the number of first-round picks you have to use over a certain period of time.

“It’s a long way of saying three first rounders, I don’t think that’s ever been paid for any player in history, so I think that shows we’ve got enough.”

 

[JammoMonty]

Walls in the West saying there were a few players wanting to come to Freo:

https://archive.md/8ihv8

Matt Owies??