Game Day 2024 Trade Period - Lian Yu - that liminal space between trade and draft.

[Docker82]

As I said I'm not fussed either way and have really no strong feelings about him to defend or berate the decision to get him. It'll be a year contract at most and the spot will either be filled with him with some AFL experience or a teenager taken at a low pick that's far from it (see Delean). It's not going to be long term and doubt it has much (if any) impact next year postive or negative.

I don’t think it’s between Narkle and an 18 year old tbh. We’re using the SSP to get him and media articles I’ve seen suggests we’re taking three picks in the draft regardless.

Think we would’ve had train ons (we trialled four list year and three were older) unless there was a clear stand out in the Rookie Draft (i.e. a Treacy or Barlow etc.). Sounds like we’re using the SSP for Narkle the way we did with Sharp as opposed to what we did with Voss.

 

[Taylor]

If the squad is calling on a player between 30th and 44th on the list then we are in trouble and I'd rather that player was a ready to go AFL body than a teenager.

That's the argument for Narkle. If we can find a player who is the same age and experience as Narkle but 198cm and can either take a mark or spoil a mark somewhere between the arcs of the 50s then I'd prefer that player fill the spot, but I expect all of those players in the entire country are on an AFL list already.

Having to fall back on Draper to create a contest because we were two to three mature bodies ahead of him down, then on Voss to take a grab is the reason, and the only reason, we didn't play finals this year.

I don't think Narkle will fill such a key role, but again if we are calling on that end of our squad we are in big trouble and will want the experience and hardened bodies over the less experienced, less developed but arguably more talented teenagers.

 

[s_wd6]

I don’t think it’s between Narkle and an 18 year old tbh. We’re using the SSP to get him and media articles I’ve seen suggests we’re taking three picks in the draft regardless.

Think we would’ve had train ons (we trialled four list year and three were older) unless there was a clear stand out in the Rookie Draft (i.e. a Treacy or Barlow etc.). Sounds like we’re using the SSP for Narkle the way we did with Sharp as opposed to what we did with Voss.

I thought it was implied early on that we were getting him as DFA like McDonald. Someone said that we would have him by the end next week, and Garlick said something like "we'll look more into it in the next couple weeks."

 

[pK75]

Is Narkle better than Emmett is the question, Emmett played 13 games for Freo in 2024 despite clearly not being “best 22” he played when Sturt, Switta, Walters or Frederick were unavailable. Bolton replaces Walters in the starting team, but it would be nice to have better coverage than Emmett when the others aren’t able to play.

 

[Taylor]

It's also possible that we are planning to actually have a negating forward role player in the game plan, try and force more long kicks from opposition by tagging their run and carry defender and then let the likes of Freddy and Bolton be more attacking and less defensive.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I said top 30.


Copied below from best 22 thread.

Aish, O'Driscoll, Simpson, Erasmus, Banfield, Johnson all Infront of him.

That is before pick 14 and pick 30

Fremantle
FB: Ryan Pearce Walker
HB: Clark Cox Chapman
C: Sharp Fyfe* O'Meara*
HF: Bolton Treacy Switkowski
FF: Sturt Amiss Frederick

Fol: Darcy Serong Brayshaw
Int: Wagner Jackson Walters* Young

Peel
FB: Draper Murphy Worner
HB: Aish McDonald [medium defender]
C: [wing] Erasmus* O'Driscoll*
HF: Emmett Voss Simpson
FF: Banfield [kpf] Delean

Fol: Reidy Brodie Johnson
Int: Davies Knobel Jones

The issue is we need players who are OOC in 2025. Right now the list of players OOC in 2025: Pearce, Brayshaw, Delean, Aish, Sharp, Worner, Reidy, Walters, Fyfe, Erasmus, McDonald. Of those 11, you can pen in Pearce and Brayshaw for contract extensions, and Sharp's in pretty firm pencil. Out of the other 8, likely the majority won't be around next year, but it'd be quite remarkable if less than 2 survive.

That's a deceptively small amount of space. Draper is getting moved from Cat B to senior list. If we get Chad Warner, that's likely 2 list spots coz Corey's getting the Thanasis Antetokounmpo spot. Alternately/Additionally, there may be some other player we trade in. Then you have the 3 draftee minimum, which we may end up going above because of our strong NGA contingent.

Thus, we'll have 2 somewhat countervailing goals. On one hand, when a draft is advertised as having such depth, you want to have a say in it like Geelong have done despite not possessing high picks. On the other, you want to be in a position where you can delist/retire 6 players next year before having to make truly hard calls. And draftees come with a 2-3 year contract if they're on the senior list or a 1 year contract where they're often graded on a curve if on the rookie list.

 

[Docker82]

I thought it was implied early on that we were getting him as DFA like McDonald. Someone said that we would have him by the end next week, and Garlick said something like "we'll look more into it in the next couple weeks."

The actual quote was that we’d look into it in the ‘coming weeks’.

Anyone in media with half a clue has mentioned SSP.

I saw Barich saw we’d add him to the list in the next week but given DFA isn’t even open until November he’s clearly got no idea.

 

[s_wd6]

The actual quote was that we’d look into it in the ‘coming weeks’.

Anyone in media with half a clue has mentioned SSP.

I saw Barich saw we’d add him to the list in the next week but given DFA isn’t even open until November he’s clearly got no idea.

DFA period is from 1st Nov, which is Friday next week so he could technically be correct.

Either way neither really changes my opinion on getting him. I just really don't care all that much.

 

[Docker82]

DFA period is from 1st Nov, which is Friday next week so he could technically be correct.

Either way neither really changes my opinion on getting him. I just really don't care all that much.

Oh he said add him to the rookie list so he’s definitely incorrect.

Senior list vs Rookie list is actually reasonably important as to stay at 36-6 next year (which we will) we’d need to delist two players rather than one to take the minimum three picks.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Drizzy is 100% best 22.

Big preseason and he will be play every game he's fit for.

I really hope NOD gets a good run at it, he has all the tools to really surprise a lot of people around the AFL. Same with Chappy, we’ve only seen glimpses of his best & fingers crossed they both hit next season at full steam off massive preseasons.

NOD will be like a new recruit if fully fit.

 

[WilloTree]

Agree
I have Shane in my best ever Dockers side.

Me too. Pretty tough to get in as well.

 

[Purple Jesus]

If the squad is calling on a player between 30th and 44th on the list then we are in trouble and I'd rather that player was a ready to go AFL body than a teenager.

That's the argument for Narkle. If we can find a player who is the same age and experience as Narkle but 198cm and can either take a mark or spoil a mark somewhere between the arcs of the 50s then I'd prefer that player fill the spot, but I expect all of those players in the entire country are on an AFL list already.

Having to fall back on Draper to create a contest because we were two to three mature bodies ahead of him down, then on Voss to take a grab is the reason, and the only reason, we didn't play finals this year.

I don't think Narkle will fill such a key role, but again if we are calling on that end of our squad we are in big trouble and will want the experience and hardened bodies over the less experienced, less developed but arguably more talented teenagers.

Literally every premiership team in the last 10 years has called on players from 30-44th. One average player taking up 1 spot will not hurt the team and no we're not in 'big trouble' if we call him up to fill a role.

 

[Docker82]

Literally every premiership team in the last 10 years has called on players from 30-44th. One average player taking up 1 spot will not hurt the team and no we're not in 'big trouble' if we call him up to fill a role.

I don’t think anyone had over 30 players play 5+ games this year tbh. I think we’re in big trouble if we call up say four players at once beyond our best 30.

Best 30 is very important and after that it’s not so much. Other players will play on occasion and we’ll use around 36-38 players but it’d barely make any difference whether it’s Cooper Simpson or Quinton Narkle playing 3-4 games for us.

My biggest frustration though is I don’t think Narkle is anywhere near the best delisted player available. I think J.Prior and J.Carroll would’ve been way better and given us some cover in the wing position which is just as needed IMO.

 

[Purple Jesus]

I don’t think anyone had over 30 players play 5+ games this year tbh. I think we’re in big trouble if we call up say four players at once beyond our best 30.

Best 30 is very important and after that it’s not so much. Other players will play on occasion and we’ll use around 36-38 players but it’d barely make any difference whether it’s Cooper Simpson or Quinton Narkle playing 3-4 games for us.

My biggest frustration though is I don’t think Narkle is anywhere near the best delisted player available. I think J.Prior and J.Carroll would’ve been way better and given us some cover in the wing position which is just as needed IMO.

Which means there's more to it - a Bolton/Pickett sized reason.

 

[go_the_dockers]

2025: Pearce, Brayshaw, Delean, Aish, Sharp, Worner, Reidy, Walters, Fyfe, Erasmus, McDonald

Fyfe, Walters are gone.
Aish looks likely
Reidy gone I think
Move Brodie to rookie list
Dealan gone

There is 6 spots, I don't think we will have too much of an issue

 

[Bigger]

For very important East Fremantle and vindictive pettiness reasons, we should definitely be looking at Carroll.

Acres has had some serious surgery in the offseason. He’s on a definite downward trend.

It would be great to snag Carroll from Carlton and turn him into the hard running wing/half forward God and East Fremantle intended him to be.

While Acres rots on the slightly larger salary he got for defecting.

 

[Alfonz]

I don’t think anyone had over 30 players play 5+ games this year tbh. I think we’re in big trouble if we call up say four players at once beyond our best 30.

Best 30 is very important and after that it’s not so much. Other players will play on occasion and we’ll use around 36-38 players but it’d barely make any difference whether it’s Cooper Simpson or Quinton Narkle playing 3-4 games for us.

My biggest frustration though is I don’t think Narkle is anywhere near the best delisted player available. I think J.Prior and J.Carroll would’ve been way better and given us some cover in the wing position which is just as needed IMO.

Although I do think Carroll has potential and wouldn't mind him over Narkle (or in addition) ... Prior and Carroll aren't really "way better". All 3 of them are simply middling AFL players at this stage who haven't done much at the highest level. Narkle has at least had the best individual games out of the three (playing midfield for Geelong) and also has the Bolton/Pickett wildcard.

 

[Demons09]

Fyfe, Walters are gone.
Aish looks likely
Reidy gone I think
Move Brodie to rookie list
Dealan gone

There is 6 spots, I don't think we will have too much of an issue

Yeah i wouldn’t be discounting Fyfe if he has good preseason and plays well in the preseason games i see him starting round one.

 

[Purple Suit]

Yeah i wouldn’t be discounting Fyfe if he has good preseason and plays well in the preseason games i see him starting round one.

I think he’s referring to retiring at the end of 25. Fyfe would have to wind back the clock and have a new nickname of Lazarus to get another contract.

 

[dont bowl there]

Yeah i wouldn’t be discounting Fyfe if he has good preseason and plays well in the preseason games i see him starting round one.

I don't even think he needs to play well in the preseason, he's a lock for round 1 if fit.

 

[Superkoops]

Oh he said add him to the rookie list so he’s definitely incorrect.

Senior list vs Rookie list is actually reasonably important as to stay at 36-6 next year (which we will) we’d need to delist two players rather than one to take the minimum three picks.

Ryan Daniels who I have much greater faith in than Barich as well as a few other better researched journalists indicated we are looking at Narkle as SSP. Makes the most sense to me. Primary list spot when Narkle has been delisted by Geelong and then made his way onto Port’s Rookie list via MSD doesn’t scream promotion to a clubs primary list.

Fremantle are one of a small number of clubs still to make final list calls. This needs to be done by 31/10. Emmett, Knobel and Jones.

I feel Emmett’s fait has been sealed by Narkle. Even though Emmett is primary list there was talk around him being offered a train-on spot or rookie selection. That seems highly unlikely now.

The interesting one is Jack Carroll. We (along with WC and GWS) are reportedly interested in him. The fact that he was delisted along with two others but only Jack Carroll hasn’t been offered a train-on opportunity after playing 15 games in 2024 makes me wonder whether he will be signed by someone as DFA.

If that is with us (and I’m still expecting Knobel to be re-signed and we use 3 ND selections), is there some chance perhaps that Delean is delisted with view to him being picked up in the rookie draft?

I’d say we are working our way through all of this before making the final list calls.

 

[Superkoops]

Which means there's more to it - a Bolton/Pickett sized reason.

The Pickett consideration is not really relevant in my opinion. As we speak today we don’t really know if Pickett is going to come to Fremantle. Also Narkle will be signed reportedly via SSP for 1 year. Perhaps there is a different role for him that Walls sees and they hope having him and Bolton together will bring out the best in them both. Narkle would be a long shot to still be on the list in 2026.

I guess Peel could sign him up and he is involved around the club in some capacity.

Bolton absolutely, Pickett not so sure.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Yeah i wouldn’t be discounting Fyfe if he has good preseason and plays well in the preseason games i see him starting round one.

I can see him starting round 1 this year, I don't see him playing next year.

FYI - I was talking about the end of 2025.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Fyfe, Walters are gone.
Aish looks likely
Reidy gone I think
Move Brodie to rookie list
Dealan gone

There is 6 spots, I don't think we will have too much of an issue

11 OOC puts us near last in the comp in terms of number of players OOC in 2025. You got a lot of teams with 15+, a number we're obviously not gonna get to (https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players?year=2025). Our flexibility is pretty safely below average, and this is for a team that already has 2025 additions to the 42-man Senior + Cat A lists penned in or planned for. Around 6 is a prediction we can make with what we know already. It can easily be higher.

The issue is you can make projections for the other 8 OOC for 2025 that can result in 6+ leaving. But those projections are subject to facts we're presuming based on current data.

• Seemingly everyone's writing off Jack Delean, but he's talented enough. If he comes back substantially stronger, fitter and more locked in, he can easily at least demonstrate WAFL form that makes him worth keeping.
• Aish and Worner are out of the best 22 right now, but their main competition for a spot in defence is Wagner, Draper as a higher half back, and injuries/players like Chapman potentially being moved up the ground. There's enough permutations in there that involve 1 of them pushing for a spot sufficiently to earn a list spot.
• Everyone's expecting Fyfe and Walters to retire next year. But what if 2025 plays out in a way where 1 or both want to extend another year? Boak and Gunston are 2 players that I think people would've had pencilled in for 2024 retirements last year. That pencil got erased.
• Assuming Knobel is re-signed, you'd think by 2025 we finally choose btwn him and Reidy. But that's a somewhat false "spare" list spot. We'll probably want to replace them with another developing ruck, so that's likely 1 delisting but then 1 "extra" draftee.

Right now, Freo are gonna permanently delist at least 1 of Odin Jones, Tom Emmett or Max Knobel. All 3 would be harsh calls for various reasons. And this is in a season where we've already had 6 departures, only had 1 arrival via trade, and look like we'll only take the bare minimum of 3 draftees. If I said it like that, you'd think it's insane that there's been a list spot squeeze. But all it takes is a couple circumstances to change (0 players traded away, interest in an SSP type, unexpected re-signings like Liam Reidy).

 

[mattis117]

DragoDelph thread title needs an update I think?