List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.2

[longtimesaint]

Id hate to see McLennan playing on some of the blokes Jimmy has played on as he doesn't have the speed or mobility , Webster is horribly underrated on here by some ( Not saying you )

We really missed Jimmy in the first 7 weeks this year.
A crazy hit in a meaningless practice match

 

[CaptainRisky]

My mate "Little Birdie" said exactly that.

Turned out he was on the money.

You gotta get it right some of the time !!!!!

Its a 50/50 call , its not like he picked the tattslotto numbers ,

 

[hangdog]

Yeah its funny that other clubs supporters talk about removing free agency compensation cos it doesn't exist in other leagues....

Neither does F/S or academy selections!

Double dipping there really. If we want to make the draft truly equitable wipe all of it!

I honestly don't see why FA is needed. If a player is out of contact, they'll get to the club they want with minimal barriers.

Hell, even contacted players are getting to their preferred clubs these days.

So why keep FA? Just let clubs negotiate a trade for an OOC player and the controversy is gone. Hawks FR this year (currently 14) probably wouldn't have upset many people.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Someone wrote - apologies, I can’t find it, otherwise I would add the quote - that they thought Angus Hastie (in response to a suggestion/hope that he might fill Battle’s boots) just didn’t have the size and speed for AFL football. Moreover, and this bit probably stung my curiosity, that he didn’t really have any stand out talents.

He’s 190cm.

What do people think about this? Honestly, will he make it?

Is he gonna end up in Paton territory? Fringe defender? Sandy/Sub/Saints Firsts/Sandy/Sub..etc..etc.

I think we'll find Hammer takes Battle's role and does just fine.
Hastie will be a player. Looks like a smaller version Gilbo with better skills and footy IQ.
If we had 2 proper KPDs he could conceivably play 3rd tall when he's strong enough but we'd want him attacking instead.

 

[hangdog]

Lewis Young is serviceable, I’ve seen him play good games for Dogs and Blues.
He’s 25 and moves well for a 6 foot 6 dude. I’m sure he’d nominate us if we said Battle role is yours if you’re good enough.

Pretty surprised he's on the outer. He's looked fine wherever I've been bored enough to watch Carlton play.

 

[ThomasR]

Someone wrote - apologies, I can’t find it, otherwise I would add the quote - that they thought Angus Hastie (in response to a suggestion/hope that he might fill Battle’s boots) just didn’t have the size and speed for AFL football. Moreover, and this bit probably stung my curiosity, that he didn’t really have any stand out talents.

He’s 190cm.

What do people think about this? Honestly, will he make it?

Is he gonna end up in Paton territory? Fringe defender? Sandy/Sub/Saints Firsts/Sandy/Sub..etc..etc.

He was third in the agility test at the combine last year which is pretty impressive for a guy his size. Neat skills, a decent turn of foot and a good head on his shoulders. Tom Stewart is also 190cm, McGovern 190cm, Luke Ryan 187cm, his height isn't an issue at all as long as he can jump, reach and use his body. Only just turned 19 so still plenty of learning and development to go but definitely has all the attributes to make it IMO. Keen to see how he goes next year, think he has stacks of improvement left in him once he starts filling out

 

[snails13]

It's sad neither Oscar Adams or Van Es turned into players, we've drafted for that KPD depth to cover a loss from the defensive unit but they didn't work out.

Adams played well for Glenelg in the

It's sad neither Oscar Adams or Van Es turned into players, we've drafted for that KPD depth to cover a loss from the defensive unit but they didn't work out.

Oscar had a good season at SANFL and played in a Premiership with Glenelg,but not sure he would have been a regular at AFL level

 

[hangdog]

Now that we need a third tall defender we should see if the Hawks would accept our second for Battle. Could go alright in our backline.

Wait, I've got a brilliant plan.

What if we really wanted a first rounder, so we pick up a UFA (let's say Noah Balta) for 900K over 5 years to trigger Band 1, then just trade him back to Richmond for the compensation pick (for this to work Richmond would want to be offering Balta the same contract).

We get our early pick out of thin air, Richmond keep their player at the value they were happy with.

Something tells me if Geelong or Sydney did this it would be ticked off.

 

[hangdog]

Over the moon to get pick 8 now let’s not get too fancy. No splitting any and for the love of god our best mid turns 29 soon, take two midfielders.

I think Makreigh is already 30, actually

 

[CaptainRisky]

Hammer fills Batts role.
Wood fills Hammers role
Ari fills Woods role.

I'm not sure l like that as l want Max at CHF but it can be done with what we have. The resurgence of Coops gives us options. It's also still possible that Membrey stays on a 1 year deal.

I cant see Ari getting up and down the ground like Wood does, maybe and i mean maybe down the track in a year or two he might be able to when he gets a tank

 

[Sully111]

I don't care who fills Battle's role as long as it's not Sharman

 

[akaifu]

McLennan is 188, Wilkie is 191.

McLennan is definitely only a flanker. Webster replacement.


PS Battle is 193

Hofmann is the Webster replacement. I know he hasn’t even been drafted yet, but he has all the attributes - speed, intercepting, defensive craft

McLennan is more a Starcevich so he’ll have to rely on body work more than closing speed. Definitely could lock down on medium defenders, but I’m not sure how he fits with the entire back 7 considering our defence is already quite slow especially losing Battle

If McLennan and Hofmann/Hastie can turn into the Starcevich Answerth pairing of the 2024 premiership team, it could work alongside Nas Sinc (Zorko, Wilmot), Doug/Cole Wilkie (Payne, Andrews), Arie/Hammer (Lester)

 

[Reb_Soss]

Just saw Joker 2 tonight and was surprised to hear O, When the Saints go marching in sung and whistled about 30 times. Almost the theme song of the film. I take it as a good omen. Go Sainters!

What a terrible movie


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[Hayes4PM]

Tiges about to get a few more decent picks with Rioli, Baker and Bolton all leaving, what are the chances they go for a Kako bid with Bolton leaving if they get another top 10 pick?

 

[Coconut_twirl]

Someone wrote - apologies, I can’t find it, otherwise I would add the quote - that they thought Angus Hastie (in response to a suggestion/hope that he might fill Battle’s boots) just didn’t have the size and speed for AFL football. Moreover, and this bit probably stung my curiosity, that he didn’t really have any stand out talents.

He’s 190cm.

What do people think about this? Honestly, will he make it?

Is he gonna end up in Paton territory? Fringe defender? Sandy/Sub/Saints Firsts/Sandy/Sub..etc..etc.

Just simply too early to tell. Needs to add more strength, fitness, etc. Still quite raw at senior level and plenty of development and learning the game to go.

 

[Klaatu]

I'm confident that the midfield is better with Macrae. The back 6 is going to be the big question mark over the side. Our back 6 kept us in matches last year. A fit side will make a huge difference as well but really need a third tall back ready to go.

Our back 6 is still there as normally a back 7 add Cordy as the Battle replacement & it’s still ok, Cordy plays the 3rd tall will work.


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[St Neil]

Tiges about to get a few more decent picks with Rioli, Baker and Bolton all leaving, what are the chances they go for a Kako bid with Bolton leaving if they get another top 10 pick?

Would Tigers bid before pick 9? If so, when?

That will be the calculation Bombers will be making.

If Tigers get pick 6 for Rioli then they probably trade that to North in a package deal involving North’s pick 2.

Tigers will probably only have picks 1 and 2 before Essendon’s pick. They won’t bid.

Therefore, logically, Essendon will probably conclude that the danger lies with either Melbourne or St Kilda.

I doubt Demons reach for Kako with 5 (unlikely but not impossible) leaving Saints as the wildcard.

If Saints tell Bombers they are possibly bidding for Kako then do the Bombers hold firm or prudently trade-down?

Do Saints really like Kako? Test of nerves if they do.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Would Tigers bid before pick 9? If so, when?

That will be the calculation Bombers will be making.

If Tigers get pick 6 for Rioli then they probably trade that to North in a package deal involving North’s pick 2.

Tigers will probably only have picks 1 and 2 before Essendon’s pick. They won’t bid.

Therefore, logically, Essendon will probably conclude that the danger lies with either Melbourne or St Kilda.

I doubt Demons reach for Kako with 5 (unlikely but not impossible) leaving Saints as the wildcard.

If Saints tell Bombers they are possibly bidding for Kako then do the Bombers hold firm or prudently trade-down?

Do Saints really like Kako? Test of nerves if they do.

Geez would be a bold call by Norf to trade pick 2, I know they've indicated to the media they're open to it, but top 3 picks are rare. If Richmond can get pick 6 for Rioli + steak knives, then a Kako bid would be a decent chance. If they upgrade to pick 2 then yeah that's a stretch. Not sure if Norf would bid on Kako, they probably want an inside mid to come through with Wardlaw if LDU is a chance of leaving. McKercher is more a winger, Duursma a forward, Sheezel playing great off halfback. Makes you wonder why North are considering downgrading though, they get the pick of the draft outside of pick 1. Strange.

 

[Saints43]

So - for a sunday morning Hypothetical... If we were to get 9 from Ess, giving us 7,8 and 9. What if Andy Brayshaw was shopping for a house now..........in Brighton. Would we be going after him now instead of next year?? Using that pick 9?? Be a hell of a haul. Brayshaw, MaCrae, pick 7 and 8 and Soldo.

What if Bob Murphy was at RSEA Park last week?

 

[akaifu]

Geez would be a bold call by Norf to trade pick 2, I know they've indicated to the media they're open to it, but top 3 picks are rare. If Richmond can get pick 6 for Rioli + steak knives, then a Kako bid would be a decent chance. If they upgrade to pick 2 then yeah that's a stretch. Not sure if Norf would bid on Kako, they probably want an inside mid to come through with Wardlaw if LDU is a chance of leaving. McKercher is more a winger, Duursma a forward, Sheezel playing great off halfback. Makes you wonder why North are considering downgrading though, they get the pick of the draft outside of pick 1. Strange.

If Norf saw McKercher as a winger then they wouldn't have taken him with pick 2

Sheezel is great off half-back, but he's elite in the midfield. Less touches, but 2x the damage

Wardlaw, Powell, Sheezel, McKercher will all be prominent mids for them going forward, with Duursma as a hybrid. Phillips also seems to be slowly coming good but still have doubts over him. They also have Simpkin who is still only 26 and are getting Parker in for I think it was 3 seasons? (I might be wrong)

I agree that they might need a bit more midfield depth, but they don't need top-end midfield talent anymore. They're more likely to take mids in the later rounds to address specific needs and midfield roles

They clearly want to take one of the top kpps in the pool - Armstrong and Tauru in particular. They can do so if they split pick 2 - might even have a chance at taking both if things go their way

 

[Saint Ray]

I still think we might see something outstanding in Ari Shoenmaker ext season. From almost relinquishing his dream of becoming an AFL footballer because of an indiscretion of his own which earned him a 10 week ban & after getting onto our list was then sent to Sandringham to train last summer to learn how to become an AFL team member, would be a lot for a young guy. But he is obviously a determined young guy as proven by making his debut this season, with another full preseason under his belt even with lack of games, I think he is going to be the next best thing at the Saints.

Now you are talking. I love it.

 

[Sainter88]

What if Bob Murphy was at RSEA Park last week?

Hope he was, we need a step ladder for markers up.

 

[The Slug]

Wait, I've got a brilliant plan.

What if we really wanted a first rounder, so we pick up a UFA (let's say Noah Balta) for 900K over 5 years to trigger Band 1, then just trade him back to Richmond for the compensation pick (for this to work Richmond would want to be offering Balta the same contract).

We get our early pick out of thin air, Richmond keep their player at the value they were happy with.

Something tells me if Geelong or Sydney did this it would be ticked off.

 

[St Neil]

Geez would be a bold call by Norf to trade pick 2, I know they've indicated to the media they're open to it, but top 3 picks are rare. If Richmond can get pick 6 for Rioli + steak knives, then a Kako bid would be a decent chance. If they upgrade to pick 2 then yeah that's a stretch. Not sure if Norf would bid on Kako, they probably want an inside mid to come through with Wardlaw if LDU is a chance of leaving. McKercher is more a winger, Duursma a forward, Sheezel playing great off halfback. Makes you wonder why North are considering downgrading though, they get the pick of the draft outside of pick 1. Strange.

If Tigers get pick 6 for Rioli and 10 + 17 for Bolton the deal could be pick 2 = 6 + 10.

North would have picks 6 and 10 while Tigers have pick 2. North’s second pick is not in play as far as Essendon is concerned.

North draft a tall with 6 and have 10 to potentially draft another tall. Tigers draft mids with both 1 & 2.

Leaving Essendon only uncertain about what Melbourne and St Kilda may decide to do. Especially uncertain about St Kilda who have back-to-back picks immediately before their pick 9.

The question is, are Saints interested in reaching for Kako at pick 8? And if so, would Bombers believe it?

 

[Leap of Faith]

If Tigers get pick 6 for Rioli and 10 + 17 for Bolton the deal could be pick 2 = 6 + 10.

North would have picks 6 and 10 while Tigers have pick 2. North’s second pick is not in play as far as Essendon is concerned.

North draft a tall with 6 and have 10 to potentially draft another tall. Tigers draft mids with both 1 & 2.

Leaving Essendon only uncertain about what Melbourne and St Kilda may decide to do. Especially uncertain about St Kilda who have back-to-back picks immediately before their pick 9.

The question is, are Saints interested in reaching for Kako at pick 8? And if so, would Bombers believe it?

Surely not. Mids, mids, mids and mids are what we need. Then after that, we need another mid. We have Butler, Higgins and Collard. I'd be stunned if we spent 7 or 8 on a small forward.