USA 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

[Blue1980]

If not for the gerrymandering, I wonder how many Republican Presidents there would have been.

Since 1992, zero. 2004 is the only one they won the popular vote but that wouldn’t have happened if they’d lost 2000. Incumbent was always winning 2004.

 

[Bloods86]

Listening to the great JDV on Theo Von's podcast while driving, one of the most profound comments made (and there were many!) was "some people are thinkers, some people are repeaters". Check the amount of X posts spammed here everyday to see who makes up the latter category!

I don't use X, so not sure I've ever repeated something from it.

What I have done is laid out extensive points in this thread and others, particularly around Trump's record and the issue of democracy at this election (based off his prior actions).

All I seem to get is dismissive one-liners equating to "nuh uh" or the pro Trump posters I'm responding to just ignore it and repeat the same point later on.

Of course, you're not a genuine poster so this was a waste of time.

 

[Blue1980]

Of course the vibe feels like that when you're in an echo chamber.

And telling people what they want to hear. I mean I get it, neither side are going to go to rallies with a negative message to their own base as they in terms of their prospects.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Are you just repeating something from a podcast to criticise people who repeat things as non-thinkers?

The self awareness is weak within you it seems....

 

[Blue1980]

Are Young Republicans really eating the MAGA chud? Dace Potas is 23 years old and Conservative

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...-conservative-candidate-election/74674335007/

Vice President Kamala Harris’ progressive ideology is entirely off-putting for conservatives. But many of us know that a vote for former President Donald Trump would signal to the GOP that the current MAGA direction of the Republican Party is acceptable. It is not.

Neither is a good option for us, especially for the younger conservatives who have heard stories of what the Republican Party used to be but have only had Trump as a presidential option.
Even if we align more with Trump’s GOP on policy, we oppose both the increase in state power that comes with his philosophy and attaching ourselves to his moral bankruptcy.

I think it's ultimately on Gen Z conservatives to fix things.

Nobody from Gen Z has had the chance to vote for a Republican presidential nominee besides Trump, a fact that is particularly frustrating for young, small government conservatives like me. We entered the voting bloc during the peak of Trump’s influence, and we had little influence on how we got here. MAGA was our only choice.

That has to change.

Personally, I see two paths to change. One is quick, unreliable, wishful thinking. The other is a long, difficult road, but it is more likely to leave a lasting impact.

The first is that in the event of a Trump loss, the GOP recognizes that electorally, the current path forward is less and less viable.

The more likely path for us is a longer-term strategy to capture young voters and build a new generation of Reagan conservatives. Already established political minds are hard to sway, but in the same way that the MAGA movement captured the youth over the past several election cycles, we need to do the same in those to come.

He lost me at Reagan Conservatives but his overall message is those who think Gen Z - especially the BroMales - are going all in for DonOld need to reconsider

I really want to know what is considered progressive that Kamala is peddling that conservatives would consider scary.

Just some BS culture war talking points?

 

[Present Not Past]

But they need to vote too



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20k+ at that rally in Georgia.
And no one walked out - because it was fun to be there.
Positive vibes. We’re winners, baby.
When you’re winners, you’re grinners.

 

[Blue1980]

The trillions have already been spent, all of China Nth Korea (which btw has a smaller economy than Tasmania, if I am correct), Iran, Israeal and liberal democratic allies have already spent the trillions.

Pardon the pun, everybody (nation) have already built their war chest. It's not like they're all starting from scratch and going shopping for arms, they've already got (most) of their arms.

The relevance is that Trump, if you take him at his word, has paraphrased he wants to go home and play with himself i:e he wants the US to be isolated, so the narrative is 'the US first and don't care about anyone else'.

If he follows through, then Ukraine and Taiwan are much easier to annex, the allies would have to majorly beef up the defence effort to avoid the annexation.

If Harris wins, the US can be relied on as an ally, like it is now. If Trump gets in, well........... that's the direct impact to the world outside the US

That apparently isolationist talk is BS though, it’s not like he’s advocating pulling support of Israel is he.

 

[EagleMan87]

I really want to know what is considered progressive that Kamala is peddling that conservatives would consider scary.

Just some BS culture war talking points?

Helping poor people; that's a big no-no for conservatives.

 

[Blue1980]

I don't use X, so not sure I've ever repeated something from it.

What I have done is laid out extensive points in this thread and others, particularly around Trump's record and the issue of democracy at this election (based off his prior actions).

All I seem to get is dismissive one-liners equating to "nuh uh" or the pro Trump posters I'm responding to just ignore it and repeat the same point later on.

Of course, you're not a genuine poster so this was a waste of time.

FK will just turn around and say he was with the Dems all along if/when they win (after all the fraud conspiracies are done) and he was just here for the bantz.

 

[Crow54]

The parts of “the base” the Democrats are struggling with for turnout are progressives, people under 40 and Arab Americans. The Cheney name is not good with these groups (to be fair to Liz, she’s not her father and isn’t guilty of doing what her father did, but also is incredibly bad in her own right and has fully supported his legacy - it seems her biggest disagreement with him was his support of LGBT rights).

Polls by party allegiance show that she is generally popular with Democrats and incredibly unpopular with Republicans and independents. I think it’s worth considering that she may turn more people off than bring in.

But some have thought long and hard and have decided to go with Kamala:

 

[Blue1980]

Helping poor people; that's a big no-no for conservatives.

Yes as they are obviously poor because they don’t believe in Jesus enough.

 

[Bloods86]

FK will just turn around and say he was with the Dems all along if/when they win (after all the fraud conspiracies are done) and he was just here for the bantz.

Yeah, it's a bit sad that someone acts like that, and that's why they deserve no respect. You can tell FK understands the reality behind the more absurd claims they make, as opposed to others who believe everything they say.

 

[Royces Hart]

20k+ at that rally in Georgia.
And no one walked out - because it was fun to be there.
Positive vibes. We’re winners, baby.
When you’re winners, you’re grinners.

And they aren’t stuck in the middle of the desert with no buses.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Listening to the great JDV on Theo Von's podcast while driving, one of the most profound comments made (and there were many!) was "some people are thinkers, some people are repeaters". Check the amount of X posts spammed here everyday to see who makes up the latter category!

Do you agree with the great JDV on Trump being America's Hitler?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Listening to the great JDV on Theo Von's podcast while driving, one of the most profound comments made (and there were many!) was "some people are thinkers, some people are repeaters". Check the amount of X posts spammed here everyday to see who makes up the latter category!

You are fooling yourself if you believe you are the thinker.

 

[the_interloper]

You are fooling yourself if you believe you are the thinker.

More of a stinker amirite?

 

[iBeng]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Elon will call this justified of course beacause X is the best source for trust worthy news!

 

[Present Not Past]

I really want to know what is considered progressive that Kamala is peddling that conservatives would consider scary.

Tax increases to the ultra wealthy.

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah, it's a bit sad that someone acts like that, and that's why they deserve no respect. You can tell FK understands the reality behind the more absurd claims they make, as opposed to others who believe everything they say.

Yeah he is too cartoonish in praising moronic people for moronic reasons to not be in on the joke.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Stuff

www.stuff.co.nz

Elon will call this justified of course beacause X is the best source for trust worthy news!

I was never really a twitter person - set up an account so I can read tweets but never posted - but I've recently made the mistake of having a look after a few weeks of not doing so. We all know that Elon is a f***wit of the highest order, but I'm still shocked at how much twitter has deteriorated recently. It's now just an absolute cesspit of morons talking MAGA bullshit.

 

[Todman]

Trump will win.

There has been a swing of more than 5% to him from the two minorities groups.

 

[Crow54]

I was never really a twitter person - set up an account so I can read tweets but never posted - but I've recently made the mistake of having a look after a few weeks of not doing so. We all know that Elon is a f***wit of the highest order, but I'm still shocked at how much twitter has deteriorated recently. It's now just an absolute cesspit of morons talking MAGA bullshit.

It's also a cesspit for ads. So many ads! Never used to be like that before Elon took over. I spend most of my time there blocking them. But I guess he has to do something to make all that money he's spending to elect Trump.

 

[Carringbush2010]

That apparently isolationist talk is BS though, it’s not like he’s advocating pulling support of Israel is he.

Well he's certainly not a globabist, I don't think he gives a shit about Israel or any other nation, enemy or ally. That plays to his base.

He doesn't even care about his country, it's all me me me.

No he won't pull support for Bibi but he won't bend over backward to help him either.

If you were to take him at his word, he just wants to shut off from the rest of the world. That's how I read it anyway.

 

[beez]

If not for the gerrymandering, I wonder how many Republican Presidents there would have been.

Gerrymandering impacts the House, it has an infinitesimally small impact on the Electoral College and hence the presidential race. And Dems play the game just as much as Republicans.

Yes, gerrymandering is a form of corruption, yes Republicans do it more than Democrats, but to suggest that Republicans would have significantly less presidents because of the practice is folly.

 

[Bloods86]

Trump will win.

There has been a swing of more than 5% to him from the two minorities groups.

There's only 2 minority groups?

What about the swings against him among white women?