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Ahhhhhh…urggggggg
Every time I watch Seth Campbell, I get a tear in the eye....reckon the kid can really play.
I was particularly keen on him in the 2022 draft, especially after he kicked a lazy 10 goals in one of his first senior outings for Nth Launceston. We could have had him with our first pick in the rookie draft, but chose to re-rookie 32yo Ed Curnow instead.....Tiggs took him with the pick after ours.
Bit of a sliding door moment for mine, but unfortunately we were committed to re-rookie Ed for a final season.
I was particularly keen on him in the 2022 draft, especially after he kicked a lazy 10 goals in one of his first senior outings for Nth Launceston. We could have had him with our first pick in the rookie draft, but chose to re-rookie 32yo Ed Curnow instead.....Tiggs took him with the pick after ours.
Bit of a sliding door moment for mine, but unfortunately we were committed to re-rookie Ed for a final season.
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No chance. 18th finish means Hawks get pick 1. Compo pick will come after that at pick 2. LOL
I think we are at a crossroads, I don’t advocate blowing everything up but I don’t see a flag out of this list, or even regular top 4/6 finishes.
We could come out and roll hawthorn and everything looks ok again, but at this distance it seems unlikely. End of 2023 was a perfect storm of a lot of injury prone guys miraculously getting their bodies right at the same time, now many of those are either gone off the list or another 18 months older with even more injuries and miles on the clock.
Gone from that period (guys who played games and contributed in back half of 2023)
Marchbank
Cuningham
Owies
Martin
Kennedy
Dow
Fisher
Guys still around but below the level from that period
Walsh
Cerra
McGovern
Saad
Motlop
Doc
Missing injured currently
Curnow
Pitt
Newman
Cincotta
Boyd
Durdin
Smith
Fantasia
Curnow
Regulars/depth since then who’ve come in
Williams
Elijah hollands (though not around currently)
Lord
Evans
Lucas camporeale
Binns
Haynes
That leaves the ones playing at the same level or better from later 2023 are:
Cripps (same)
McKay (well until last night)
Acres (same)
Hollands (who needs to get better)
Cottrell (similar)
TDK (improved)
Kemp (still average, needs to get better)
Young (dropped back half of 23 still looks to be backup at best)
Weiters (still great )
Basically the only player on our list I’d consider improved would be TDK from 2023, and maybe Boyd at a pinch. So it’s a mix of factors as I see it, guys who can’t play at the same level, guys who haven’t improved and our depth taking a hit with the loss of Kennedy, dow (more Kennedy) and owies. Now that is hopefully a short term hit to depth, but it’s made worse with Jagga out for the season.
So simply we have far to few regular contributors playing week in week out
We could come out and roll hawthorn and everything looks ok again, but at this distance it seems unlikely. End of 2023 was a perfect storm of a lot of injury prone guys miraculously getting their bodies right at the same time, now many of those are either gone off the list or another 18 months older with even more injuries and miles on the clock.
Gone from that period (guys who played games and contributed in back half of 2023)
Marchbank
Cuningham
Owies
Martin
Kennedy
Dow
Fisher
Guys still around but below the level from that period
Walsh
Cerra
McGovern
Saad
Motlop
Doc
Missing injured currently
Curnow
Pitt
Newman
Cincotta
Boyd
Durdin
Smith
Fantasia
Curnow
Regulars/depth since then who’ve come in
Williams
Elijah hollands (though not around currently)
Lord
Evans
Lucas camporeale
Binns
Haynes
That leaves the ones playing at the same level or better from later 2023 are:
Cripps (same)
McKay (well until last night)
Acres (same)
Hollands (who needs to get better)
Cottrell (similar)
TDK (improved)
Kemp (still average, needs to get better)
Young (dropped back half of 23 still looks to be backup at best)
Weiters (still great )
Basically the only player on our list I’d consider improved would be TDK from 2023, and maybe Boyd at a pinch. So it’s a mix of factors as I see it, guys who can’t play at the same level, guys who haven’t improved and our depth taking a hit with the loss of Kennedy, dow (more Kennedy) and owies. Now that is hopefully a short term hit to depth, but it’s made worse with Jagga out for the season.
So simply we have far to few regular contributors playing week in week out
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Last night was a reflection of Austin's poor list management in the first 4 years of his tenure. Last year he pivoted to at least try to recruit difference makers like Jagga Smith and O'Farrel with Charleson and Carrol adding some run and Carry.
I definitely think the recruiting department requires change. However, we need to play Carrol, Moir at the soonest opportunity and bring O'farrel in as early as possible. Selecting the likes of Haynes, Evans, White, Fogarty & Docherty is built on the erroneous assumption that a top 4 finish is achievable with average list cloggers and veterans surrounding our stars.
I definitely think the recruiting department requires change. However, we need to play Carrol, Moir at the soonest opportunity and bring O'farrel in as early as possible. Selecting the likes of Haynes, Evans, White, Fogarty & Docherty is built on the erroneous assumption that a top 4 finish is achievable with average list cloggers and veterans surrounding our stars.
- Jun 7, 2019
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please whoever is involved in list management and the football department of Carlton FC -the game is called FOOTball.. If player can't kick efficiently and effectively we don't want --- Kepp it simple from here on out-- thanks
bradfisher14
Not actually Brad Fisher
I think I’ve made my decision with TDK as well.
He’s a gun, but I would let him walk to st kilda and take the compensation. Bank the cap space and target the next Meek/Nank/Cameron that goes on the ruck merry go round. That player will be on half of the money we’re offering tdk. Use the other half to fill our other needs. It makes too much sense from a team building perspective.
He’s a gun, but I would let him walk to st kilda and take the compensation. Bank the cap space and target the next Meek/Nank/Cameron that goes on the ruck merry go round. That player will be on half of the money we’re offering tdk. Use the other half to fill our other needs. It makes too much sense from a team building perspective.
I’m the same with TDK …I would give him a good offer that doesn’t kill our salary cap and if he walks so be it …I believe you can win a premiership with an average workmanlike ruckman … I’m also leaning towards putting Harry out there and see what comes back …
So many stories like this due to terrible recruiting. Some players that spring to mind. Deluca, Evans, O'Shea's, Ed Curnow, Haynes While other clubs pick up players like Massimo DAmbrosio, Nick Martin, Toby Bedford. etc.Every time I watch Seth Campbell, I get a tear in the eye....reckon the kid can really play.
I was particularly keen on him in the 2022 draft, especially after he kicked a lazy 10 goals in one of his first senior outings for Nth Launceston. We could have had him with our first pick in the rookie draft, but chose to re-rookie 32yo Ed Curnow instead.....Tiggs took him with the pick after ours.
Bit of a sliding door moment for mine, but unfortunately we were committed to re-rookie Ed for a final season.
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Hopefully weiters holds a powerpoint presentation this week, and outlines or familiarises the list management team with the position called CHB.
The pendulum is so far to one side is boggles the mind.
- Mar 25, 2019
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A list can be fixed in terms of balance in a single off season. It would just take a lot of courage and some difficult conversations with some players.
I agree, the worst thing Collingwood did years ago was pay through the nose to keep Grundy.
As for Harry. Key forwards and good forward/rucks are worth good coin. I think we need him. Mainly for that forward/ruck role.
We need small/medium forwards. Badly. We don't need top line prize draft picks. What did Collingwood get Bobby Hill for? Most small forwards aren't taken with high picks, plenty of examples out there.
We need 2nd and 3rd rounders.
We have a plethora of backs.
Is Ollie Hollands going to cut it? Can we salvage something from Elijah with a trade? Is McGovern the missing piece for some side to get us a third? Any interest in Binns? Can we offload a member of our onball group? Kemp and/or DeKoning might be going off our books at the end of the season. If that happens the return would be really good.
If DeKoning goes we need another ruck. I don't trust O'Keefe or Pittonet. Break down too much. A mature option would do.
I don't trust our recruiting team when it comes to forwards. I don't think they have the eye for it. That's the problem with our current team. The better sides have electric pace at half forward, we have plodders. None of our current forwards have the skillset or read the game well. We just can not pick them.
sweethoney
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There to reactionary.
You could see the game starting to head towards more speed 2 years ago!
We seem so slow to see what’s happening/read the way the game is headed.
never over pay for a ruckman …pitto for mine is just cover and insurance against the bigger bodied ruckman and when your number 1 banana needs a rest…. Who knows what HOK will be like , still young but looks promising …. I’m not saying trade mckay but see what is out there … I wouldn’t be disappointed if we traded him for someone decent or picks … Cripps , weiters , curnow or Walsh I don’t want to trade and I feel to get better we need to offload one …. Ollie hollands back to the wing … I actually think he busted a gut yesterday , gets the most out of himself …. Kemp is average back or forward .. I don’t rate him … EH who knows if he wants to clean his act up and want to play footy ,, I rate EH highly but you can’t make someone commit to the grind … and McGovern .. we wouldn’t get anything…you ever seen unusual suspects with Kevin spacey … he has fooled everyone he can play !!!
I agree with never overpaying for ruckmen.
We can't trade McKay. If we trade McKay, we immediately become desperate for a second ruck which we don't have. That would be dumb listmanagement.
HOK will be just a ruckman. He looks promising but is a slow burn. His body is a worry, keeps doing hamstrings.
Acres is a top level wingman and Lucas Camporeale deserves his spot. Lucas will be a ball magnet. For a winger his IQ is good.
I rate Kemp but he is a third tall either end. We keep playing him as key position which is because of injuries but this is his go. Same as McGovern.
McGovern is a damn good footballer and has played some good footy for us. He's missed a lot through injury. But I think at his age, we need to be thinking about someone else.
The issue is that we are not in the premiership window at all, so on this basis tough decisions will need to be made, not sure aside from Weitering & Cripps our other highly paid players are justifying their large contracts.
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Charlie at his best is absolutely worth his contract. At this stage McKay and Walsh would be an interesting watch but the likelihood is neither will ever be traded.
If either we're I'd imagine it would be purely to get in the race for Reid coming home.
