List Mgmt. 2025 List Management 📃

[JuddgementDay]

I think we have a very strong list and I refuse to believe that we won't be a top 4 side

All we need is more luck with injuries, we've had our fair share of injuries - can we have some luck please!

From a list point of view, IMO we are light in two areas and weak in one area.
We are light on KPD and ruck, and therefore highly dependent on Weiters and TDK's availability.
We are weak in small fwds, but if we can get the ball in there often enough I'm sure between Motlop, Williams and Moir we'll have enough shots at goal

I'm using my best 23 as an example, sure we can differ in our views on best 23, but if you look at it objectively - apart from the areas I've highlighted above - we have a lot of depth everywhere else.

No lists are perfect - but, we have a pretty darn good one.
So finish top 4 is the aim this year - and then we'll contest for the 2025 premiership



For my best 23
I would like the younger guys to push for best 23 - we need their energy, enthusiasm & speed - mixed with our core group, we have a really potent side.

There are question marks all over these young guys, but we need to give them an opportunity to shine.
Bring on 2025 already!


B: Docherty Silvagni McGovern
HB: OHollands Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Lord
HF: Elijah McKay Williams
F: Moir Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Walsh
Int: Newman Kemp Hewett Wilson Smith


Decisions:

• Cowan vs Wilson - I went with Wilson, I think his speed will really help us
• Boyd vs Newman - I love Boyd, but as I have enough young players I need some more wiser heads
• Durdin vs Motlop - I went with Motlop and hoping for a big year from him. Our forward line needs more potency i.e. every player of being able to kick multiple goals in any given week
• Haynes vs JSOS - I went for more flexibility with having both JSOS and Kemp in the side
• Fogarty vs Lord - I hope we've gone pass Fogarty

 

[HyphensBack]

It would be an interesting 'battle' between Lord and George if Lord's gametime and fitness improved markedly next season.

Lord's hands were dynamic in the few games he was given, might give him the edge over George in releasing more outside run and creating scoring opportunities?


The overall possession stats are less important than the results of those possessions.

I am still team Hewett at present (just a level above) but like the look of Lord


Could Lord play the defensive forward role and pinch hit in the middle?


Fogarty and Cottrell have both had injury concerns but could Lord have a crack at this role, he tackles okay, has endurance, he seems to get after the ball okay, can he keep his head in the game though as it is a very thankless role. Not sure of his goal sense

He would be a great addition to our forward stoppages though and another player who could take some load off Hewett and Cripps in the middle

Small forwards are specialists to me but the high half forward can be a midfielder with a good leg, the defensive forward can be a midfielder with a good tank who can do a thankless task

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

Dynamic hands? I'm all for pumping up a bloke but wtf does that even mean lol?

Faster more dangerous handballer than most of our other mids???

 

[Azzurro]

It would be wrong to prematurely pencil Lord in, particularly ahead of Hewett. George has runs on the board. He is quite limited, doing almost all of his work around the contest while being less than optimal on the spread and assisting behind the ball.

The commitment Lord has shown is admirable and we all love a shiny new toy. On face value, he seems to offer a little more around the ground than (my perception) George, but despite his physical development, will almost certainly need another season to be able to run out games week in week out.

Opportunity and development for Jagga and indeed the Camporeales also comes in to the equation. While George has some issues due to his chronic back, he is certainly not ready to be farmed out just yet. I am optimistic Smith and Lord in particular can establish themselves rather quickly. I have a decent level of optimism with the Campos, but realistically they will need some “seasoning”. Think Ben will be groomed for a more defensive role, so likely not an early debut. The other part of the equation will be the development and use of the Hollands boys, and perhaps Binns opportunity to audition for a wing spot ahead of Lucas.

The absolute beauty of our recent drafting is that we have added a host of perspective top team players while our established group are in an inarguably premiership window. The timing of player progression will be up to individuals.

Every year posters bang on about this DFA and that journeyman trade target, and thankfully since Acres judicious trade, we have only added draftees and youngsters like Elijah. We are currently weighing up a couple of SSP prospects to fill our last two spots with a mind to shoring up some key position depth. Other than OUR journeyman Sam Durdin being considered for a reprieve (on medical/durability grounds), the candidates are 22yo and younger. We have moved on from the stop gap types, the insurance depth, and are targeting long term players. No more “wasted” picks, every pick dedicated to the future. Unless there are extenuating circumstance, no more rejects from other clubs (although tight lists have shaken out the odd deserving player, particularly for a shot at this year’s “super draft”)

Nothing personal, as I have plenty of respect for “Nigel” Durdin, but surely he only gets a gig if something happens to Weiters or Young during the pre season. Realistically Young is next in line and we have Kemp and Silvagni likely to offer back up (if indeed Kemp is permanently redeployed)

Nick Haynes says hi Coona... now the oldest player on our list.

I largely agree with the approach you've highlighted, but would never rule out picking an elder statesman type like Haynes who can provide depth and leadership and experience all at the same time, all for a modest salary without requiring national draft capital.

 

[Arr0w]

I could post this in a number of threads, Best 23, List Management, etc. Personally, I hope every player, young and old, have their best preseason ever and then their best season ever

I don't understand the fascination that young player X should be playing ahead of older player Y. While we would all want our youth to take the next step, surely they should at the very least show consistent form at VFL level

We aren't in rebuild mode, where we need to get games into the kids now, we are in win mode, so id say we should be picking the best side as whole, no matter the age or experience of any player

 

[skadoosh]

I could post this in a number of threads, Best 23, List Management, etc. Personally, I hope every player, young and old, have their best preseason ever and then their best season ever

I don't understand the fascination that young player X should be playing ahead of older player Y. While we would all want our youth to take the next step, surely they should at the very least show consistent form at VFL level

We aren't in rebuild mode, where we need to get games into the kids now, we are in win mode, so id say we should be picking the best side as whole, no matter the age or experience of any player

Correct. Pick the team that wins the game today.

 

[BlueTongue]

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Nothing personal, as I have plenty of respect for “Nigel” Durdin, but surely he only gets a gig if something happens to Weiters or Young during the pre season. Realistically Young is next in line and we have Kemp and Silvagni likely to offer back up (if indeed Kemp is permanently redeployed)

I still have a bit of hope for Young. Played pretty well in the last game and I think his biggest issue is indecision.
When he covered Weiters for that extended period he didnt 2nd guess himself because he was depended upon and as a result went with the gut.

I think he's still got some good traits and would be tough to beat if he got some form and started intercepting more.

Really needs to step up this year, but if he gets a good run I think he'll come through for us.

 

[Worm4]

I still have a bit of hope for Young. Played pretty well in the last game and I think his biggest issue is indecision.
When he covered Weiters for that extended period he didnt 2nd guess himself because he was depended upon and as a result went with the gut.

I think he's still got some good traits and would be tough to beat if he got some form and started intercepting more.

Really needs to step up this year, but if he gets a good run I think he'll come through for us.

He is on the list to be delisted next year along with fantasia

 

[Arr0w]

Will be interesting which of these stay on the list, then we have possible trades

PlayerStatus
Adam CerraNFA
Adam SaadNFA
Alex CincottaNFA
Billy WilsonUNK
Brodie KempNFA
Cooper LordNFA
George HewettNFA
Harry CharlesonUNK
Harry LemmeyNFA
Jack SilvagniUFA
Jesse MotlopNFA
Mitch McGovernNFA
Nic NewmanNFA
Nick HaynesUFA
Orazio FantasiaUFA
Rob MonahanUNK
Sam DochertyUFA
Tom De KoningRFA

 

[Coona Blues]

Correct. Pick the team that wins the game today.

Don’t want to open a can of worms, but that is how we capitulated in the back end of last season.

Constantly sending the same soldiers in to battle, too often under duress and not trusting the next tier to get the job done. Stifles development and “cooks” the chosen few.

We have a group of young players who will be even more ready next season than last. We have to share the load and develop the next tier. Picking the team that wins the game today, may mean you lose a handful of games later in the year.
We are in a very good spot list wise, blind loyalty to the incumbents, lining them up week after week with niggles has a price. We have paid that price in the last two years. Last year we were without healthy depth. This year we ignored the depth until it was the only choice. Hoping like hell Voss learned from the experience.

Loyalty to the incumbent can lead to holding back an even better option, or at least making that developing option more ready when they are called upon.

 

[TD2010]

Agree. Geelong do this so well, suddenly there's a relatively unknown seamlessly fitting in and playing their role.

 

[Arr0w]

Don’t want to open a can of worms, but that is how we capitulated in the back end of last season.

Constantly sending the same soldiers in to battle, too often under duress and not trusting the next tier to get the job done. Stifles development and “cooks” the chosen few.

We have a group of young players who will be even more ready next season than last. We have to share the load and develop the next tier. Picking the team that wins the game today, may mean you lose a handful of games later in the year.
We are in a very good spot list wise, blind loyalty to the incumbents, lining them up week after week with niggles has a price. We have paid that price in the last two years. Last year we were without healthy depth. This year we ignored the depth until it was the only choice. Hoping like hell Voss learned from the experience.

Loyalty to the incumbent can lead to holding back an even better option, or at least making that developing option more ready when they are called upon.

Blind optimism that a young player should be in the side now is like rolling the dice

Nothing wrong with rotations, but it needs to be warranted rather than a preplanned strategy

 

[HarryFlashman]

For me Lord comes in for George game 1.

George is a fantastic B grade footballer who gives his all - he’s not about to lose that running around in the 2s.

We don’t know Lords ceiling or how rapid his development can be unless we back him with our best mids around him & give him a good go at it.

We are much better off backing in a kid with minimal pressure, than bring him in if there’s an injury.
Crippa & Walsh are elite, Cerra can play to A grade/elite standard - we have the platform to allow a kid to develop & rapidly improve & also bring in more speed/change the mid dynamics.

We have the opportunity to evolve, we would be silly to stick to the same line up when quite frankly it hasn’t stood up when we really needed it & it’s the only way we get better.

 

[JuddgementDay]

Blind optimism that a young player should be in the side now is like rolling the dice

Nothing wrong with rotations, but it needs to be warranted rather than a preplanned strategy

Not so much blind faith, as the coaches are there and see the players day in day out

It's more, give them an opportunity to shine.
We still need to field a winning team, but we have to be prepared to back youth in - if they are ready.
I would much rather field in a young player than playing a senior player who clearly needs to be rested!

 

[JustOneTime]

Agree with most except Kemp & Cerra. I think Kemp is fine and will play every week unless injured.
Cerra, I dont have any faith in. To me, I think Lord will be on his hammer, and pushing him out first sign of body issues.

With your Cerra analysis, is it about injury or do you think he just isnt that good? I feel it is only injury blocking him and that Cerra is a beast.

He was very good for Fremantle and played most of each season. Only under our high performance team did he fail physically.

Another aspect to Cerra is at Freo he was the attacking mid while at Carlton that went to Cripps/Walsh. There were a few weeks in the 2023 season where he got to go forward and was fantastic. If fit, I'd personally prefer him every time going inside 50 over both Cripps/Walsh.

 

[Benaly28]

For me Lord comes in for George game 1.

George is a fantastic B grade footballer who gives his all - he’s not about to lose that running around in the 2s.

We don’t know Lords ceiling or how rapid his development can be unless we back him with our best mids around him & give him a good go at it.

We are much better off backing in a kid with minimal pressure, than bring him in if there’s an injury.
Crippa & Walsh are elite, Cerra can play to A grade/elite standard - we have the platform to allow a kid to develop & rapidly improve & also bring in more speed/change the mid dynamics.

We have the opportunity to evolve, we would be silly to stick to the same line up when quite frankly it hasn’t stood up when we really needed it & it’s the only way we get better.

Lord will need to earn his spot,George will need to be pushed out but yes ultimately the spot is there.


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[teagueyubeauty]

Don’t want to open a can of worms, but that is how we capitulated in the back end of last season.

Constantly sending the same soldiers in to battle, too often under duress and not trusting the next tier to get the job done. Stifles development and “cooks” the chosen few.

We have a group of young players who will be even more ready next season than last. We have to share the load and develop the next tier. Picking the team that wins the game today, may mean you lose a handful of games later in the year.
We are in a very good spot list wise, blind loyalty to the incumbents, lining them up week after week with niggles has a price. We have paid that price in the last two years. Last year we were without healthy depth. This year we ignored the depth until it was the only choice. Hoping like hell Voss learned from the experience.

Loyalty to the incumbent can lead to holding back an even better option, or at least making that developing option more ready when they are called upon.

Wholeheartedly agree, absolutely have to reward form in the twos and deal with poor form in the 1’s.

I don’t want to crucify Ollie as I like him a lot, but he absolutely needed a run in the twos earlier this season.

Any player, minus a very select few, coming back from a number of weeks out with injury must come back through the twos. If they play well they’ll get selected.

We need all the list to be on edge, play well consistently or face the consequences. It’s meant to be a high performance environment


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[DangerousD]

Does a lack of footy make people go crazy? Hewett is a twice top 5 finisher in our B&F so regardless of how anyone sees talent, that’s where he sits based on our coaching panel.

Lord is a kid who was taken around pick 10 in the MSD and has played 2 games.

To suggest Hewett should be dropped for Lord is madness

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Does a lack of footy make people go crazy? Hewett is a twice top 5 finisher in our B&F so regardless of how anyone sees talent, that’s where he sits based on our coaching panel.

Lord is a kid who was taken around pick 10 in the MSD and has played 2 games.

To suggest Hewett should be dropped for Lord is madness

Pretty much based off 1 photo of him looking ripped. Won't pretend I'm not prone to posting some stupid shite but off season is a funny time.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Does a lack of footy make people go crazy? Hewett is a twice top 5 finisher in our B&F so regardless of how anyone sees talent, that’s where he sits based on our coaching panel.

Lord is a kid who was taken around pick 10 in the MSD and has played 2 games.

To suggest Hewett should be dropped for Lord is madness

Hewett is the weakest link in our best 4 mids - I want the next evolution of the team & for that, u have to allow an opportunity (does have to be warranted).
Does lack of footy somehow now make Hew better than B grade? Or not slow?

 

[BlackGoanna]

I don’t agree on any aspect of that statement. I think all of Williams, Durdin, Motlop and Fogarty would have to play above any level they have already played for this line to become effective for us. Also based on their respective histories there’s almost no chance any of them can stay fit and play 23 + games in a season.

Nonsense. If we get our midfield and game plan sorted, and remain relatively injury free the forwards will be much more effective.

You can maintain your pessimistic views of that’s what rocks your socks


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[BlackGoanna]

Disagree.

Starting midfield is Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett.

Kids need to prove themselves and dislodge the senior boys in pre-season.


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So you think Jagga Smith will be playing in the 2nds ?


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[HereComesJuddy]

Agree with most except Kemp & Cerra. I think Kemp is fine and will play every week unless injured.
Cerra, I dont have any faith in. To me, I think Lord will be on his hammer, and pushing him out first sign of body issues.

Very big year for Cerra imo. OOC and if someone goes past him, he may find himself on the trade table.

At his best he is great, but we only saw him 13 times in 2024 and certainly wasn’t at his best.

Jagga, Cowan, Wilson, Lord etc will all want a midfield spot

 

[Arr0w]

Not so much blind faith, as the coaches are there and see the players day in day out

It's more, give them an opportunity to shine.
We still need to field a winning team, but we have to be prepared to back youth in - if they are ready.
I would much rather field in a young player than playing a senior player who clearly needs to be rested!

So we should rotate Weitering, Cripps, Harry and Charlie multiple times, for the sake of resting them and play Young, Ben, Lemmey and HOK to give them an opportunity to shine?

Yet, the last 3 premiers haven't adopted that methodology

I must be missing something, feels like we are back in rebuild mentality

Voss will be screwed either way

Lose playing our best side = Should be playing the kids

Lose playing the kids = Why did he drop senior players (example Hewett this year) and or he can't coach

Win and we should be playing player X, who looked good at,VFL level

 

[BlackGoanna]

I absolutely love what Hewitt brings. Loved what he did at Sydney and how he had been a warrior for us. Swans made the call to bring in some younger more dynamic midfielders and offloaded Hewitt. It was a brave call.

Sometimes you got to flick the script.

You have all been complaining that Voss plays it safe. You’ve been complaining of one paced midfield.

Imo Hewitt should be depth.




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