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[teagueyubeauty]

They also don’t get crunched by 6’4, 93kg blokes moving at pace.
One Crippa tackle & u would have to bring a fleet of ambulance’s onto the pitch as whole team would go down & not get up

Would have to take out flood insurance, the tears would be endless


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[Jimmae]

They also don’t get crunched by 6’4, 93kg blokes moving at pace.
One Crippa tackle & u would have to bring a fleet of ambulance’s onto the pitch as whole team would go down & not get up

Yup, the only serious increase is the amount of kicking and perhaps the peak intensity of sprints, but they're afforded the opportunity to with that reduced anaerobic load.

 

[Jimmae]

18 players - no bench rotations and one sub for injury.

if coaches want to play a run around like headless chooks and play for jo the goose strategies let them wear their players out ion the first quarter or two and see the other team win by 15 goals.

if list managers want to pick kids who can run all day but cant kick a football or lay a tackle - good luck with that BS too.

let the true stars be stars again - instead of cannon fodder for triple teaming them with plodders

and stop the BS about not enough talent to go around all the Clubs.


ive watched Rugby league destroyed by what HQ has done over the last 15 years turning into a boring battle between two sides full of nucke dragging brickshthouses
Rugby destroyed by technicalities that no one can decipher anymore and the adoption of straight lines

AFL is being strangled into the same black hole of rubbishness at an accelerating rate - by a bunch of accountants.

If you strip the interchange bench it's not going to stop teams working over stars, it's going to make finding ways to wear them down even more valuable, and change the complexion of AFL teams to favour endurance.

Will likely slow down the game no matter what athletes you pick, and encouraged a more contested style, which slows players down further.

The game has already lost so much speed over the last 5-10 years and this year's footy was a welcome change, not sure why you want to punt the game back to 1968?

 

[Arr0w]

5 on the bench, 80 rotations

Then leave it the * alone

 

[JustaBattler]

If you strip the interchange bench it's not going to stop teams working over stars, it's going to make finding ways to wear them down even more valuable, and change the complexion of AFL teams to favour endurance.

Will likely slow down the game no matter what athletes you pick, and encouraged a more contested style, which slows players down further.

The game has already lost so much speed over the last 5-10 years and this year's footy was a welcome change, not sure why you want to punt the game back to 1968?

It is just my preference I like to see the game open up because players are tired.

 

[The Bighouse]

5 on the bench, 80 rotations

Then leave it the * alone

Too many rotations IMO.
We got to the stupid stage when goal scorers are racing off..
Bench should mean you’ve been dragged, or need a blast from coach on the phone. Should also bring back the dressing gown when stationed on there.

 

[Coona Blues]

18 players - no bench rotations and one sub for injury.

if coaches want to play a run around like headless chooks and play for jo the goose strategies let them wear their players out ion the first quarter or two and see the other team win by 15 goals.

if list managers want to pick kids who can run all day but cant kick a football or lay a tackle - good luck with that BS too.

let the true stars be stars again - instead of cannon fodder for triple teaming them with plodders

and stop the BS about not enough talent to go around all the Clubs.


ive watched Rugby league destroyed by what HQ has done over the last 15 years turning into a boring battle between two sides full of nucke dragging brickshthouses
Rugby destroyed by technicalities that no one can decipher anymore and the adoption of straight lines

AFL is being strangled into the same black hole of rubbishness at an accelerating rate - by a bunch of accountants.

I don’t agree with all of your points, but wholeheartedly agree with the theme of your post. The administrators and adjudicators of OUR sport are ruining the game.

Let’s not forget the broadcasters in this discussion. The rhetoric over the supposed barrage of free kicks for Charlie and Harry, while they are double and triple teamed with way too often illegal negating tactics. The absolute enormity of our skipper Crippa regularly carrying multiple opponents jumping all over him as the ball is bounced or thrown in while smaller peers in other colours are given a dream run from the whistle blowers, particularly if we are the ones attempting to negate. The ride Nick Daicos gets is totally incongruous when compared beside Cripps.

Let genuine ball players be rewarded for their skills and work rate. Let’s not reward the now myriad of players perfecting the art of tackling or scragging immediately BEFORE their opponent receives the ball. I loved the work of our Ed Curnow in his earlier tagging years, his ability to negate an opponent within the rules was next level. Later he reverted to more of the back to the ball crap enlisted by so many today that clearly break the rules of the game as they were written so long ago.

Absolutely let the stars be stars again and not reward the negative players ad nauseum. The margin Crippa had winning the Brownlow was incongruous, but it spoke dramatically to the reverence umpires have for him, sticking to the task, contest to contest, game to game, under the rule interpretation that is foistered upon them.

The interchange allowances to have multiple scragging negative types “fresh” to tag team the game’s stars is an abomination. Similarly, the shock troopers who play ~70% game time for impact need to be better managed. Perhaps we need a cap on the amount of interchanges an individual can have during a game.

 

[HarryFlashman]

Interesting debate on the list/interchange.

I fall on the other side, I’d prefer to see a large list & bench with plenty of interchange.

Fatigue reduces motor skill & movement, I question whether it increases susceptibility to injury when more players are out there highly fatigued.

Given how “technical” they are making the game (tackling especially) having the players fresher should lead to executing at a higher level.

Let the game be played at “full throttle”, endurance “beasts” will still work people into the ground simply as they can make more repeat efforts before blowing up.

I’m not advocating endless rotations but more than current.
With a larger list to choose from & deeper bench, the skill level should increase across the board.

 

[SurreyBlue]

5 on the bench, 80 rotations

Then leave it the * alone

2 on the bench with 50 rotations. Enough with the bulldust from coaches.

 

[Bale Dup]

Do we have a welcome to Carlton interview with Rob Inness?

Not sure. If you're wondering where I got my info regarding core strength, see Blue Healers thread. Post 4307.
Not sure if what was posted there was correct but it correlates with what I've noticed.

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[Arr0w]

2 on the bench with 50 rotations. Enough with the bulldust from coaches.

2 injuries to one side early and it's a disaster

What about 5 and 60?

 

[SurreyBlue]

2 injuries to one side early and it's a disaster

What about 5 and 60?

Don't agree with the 5. I think it's too many.
At worse, I would stick with the 4 and let it be. An extra for injury on my 2 + extra is more than enough.
Don't like the sub rule and definitely prefer the lower interchanges - even at 60.

 

[Arr0w]

Don't agree with the 5. I think it's too many.
At worse, I would stick with the 4 and let it be. An extra for injury on my 2 + extra is more than enough.
Don't like the sub rule and definitely prefer the lower interchanges - even at 60.

Okay done, 4 on the bench, no sub, 60 interchange

 

[JustaBattler]

I don’t agree with all of your points, but wholeheartedly agree with the theme of your post. The administrators and adjudicators of OUR sport are ruining the game.

Let’s not forget the broadcasters in this discussion. The rhetoric over the supposed barrage of free kicks for Charlie and Harry, while they are double and triple teamed with way too often illegal negating tactics. The absolute enormity of our skipper Crippa regularly carrying multiple opponents jumping all over him as the ball is bounced or thrown in while smaller peers in other colours are given a dream run from the whistle blowers, particularly if we are the ones attempting to negate. The ride Nick Daicos gets is totally incongruous when compared beside Cripps.

Let genuine ball players be rewarded for their skills and work rate. Let’s not reward the now myriad of players perfecting the art of tackling or scragging immediately BEFORE their opponent receives the ball. I loved the work of our Ed Curnow in his earlier tagging years, his ability to negate an opponent within the rules was next level. Later he reverted to more of the back to the ball crap enlisted by so many today that clearly break the rules of the game as they were written so long ago.

Absolutely let the stars be stars again and not reward the negative players ad nauseum. The margin Crippa had winning the Brownlow was incongruous, but it spoke dramatically to the reverence umpires have for him, sticking to the task, contest to contest, game to game, under the rule interpretation that is foistered upon them.

The interchange allowances to have multiple scragging negative types “fresh” to tag team the game’s stars is an abomination. Similarly, the shock troopers who play ~70% game time for impact need to be better managed. Perhaps we need a cap on the amount of interchanges an individual can have during a game.

Coaches have had FAR too much influence on rule changes over the years. and no I am NT a 'buyer' of player safety and player preservation and player this and that BS from them. Make a game plan up to suit the game's RULES NOT your preferences!!!!

It is a pretty simple equation for me anyway - the more rotations and the more players available for rotations - has a negative impact on the players who have gretaer endurance and greater skill - instead of the game featuring the best players - we have a game which alllows for them to be negated - by simple numbers and flooding tactics.

The number of rotations and the number of players on benches now allow for coaches to game the game and take out the flair and skill - it is (imo) the #1 reaon the game is now so predictable and so boooooring.

list management is now reduced to a bunch of runners runnign around liek the headless talentless chooks they are aiming to get teh ball to a couple of tall giraffes who either mark and then miss shots from dead in front half the time or create a ground ball melee - rinse and repeat.

the so called "turnover game" is soley based on the low level of skill that players now have executing field kicks - exasperated by all the running chooks creating 'pressure' and 'contest' - which cn only be there because of the large numebrs of rotations and fresh chooks waiting on the bench.

however, that is my view of the state of the game - andd one of the rassns I am now reduced ( pretty much) to only watching Carlton games - the typical game makes my eyes bleed with boredom - which is why I stopped watching rugby codes decades ago.

I can understand why other viewers liek to see as much helter skelter as possible going on for as long as possible - but that preference is leading us down the touch football road of rubbishness.

 

[Blue and Silver]

3 on the bench. 2 subs, 1 only on medical advice. Emergency list all sub available. 80 interchanges excluding 1 per sub

Let's you cover injuries in game easier.

I think having more sub options is the way, as it provides both tactical and injury flexibility, which adds intrigue

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[Bletch]

3 on the bench. 2 subs, 1 only on medical advice. Emergency list all sub available. 80 interchanges excluding 1 per sub

Let's you cover injuries in game easier.

I think having more sub options is the way, as it provides both tactical and injury flexibility, which adds intrigue

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I hate the sub, and players obviously do too. Would much prefer we get rid of it altogether. If we could guarantee that the VFL always play after the AFL each week, then perhaps. But otherwise, just leads to a bunch of players that don't get a game (or very limited minutes) each week.

 

[Stamos]

The sub rule is terrible, and with a rotation cap completely unnecessary.

The AFL just needs to settle on a 4 or 5 man bench. Wouldn’t be a bad thing if they reduced rotations too.

 

[Blue__Balls]

3 on the bench. 2 subs, 1 only on medical advice. Emergency list all sub available. 80 interchanges excluding 1 per sub

Let's you cover injuries in game easier.

I think having more sub options is the way, as it provides both tactical and injury flexibility, which adds intrigue

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Am I reading this right in that you'd have all emergencies on the bench and able to be called on as one of the two subs at the club's discretion?

Feel like this would need to go along with some more structured AFL/Reserves fixturing, cause otherwise you could end up with 3-4 fit players not playing footy in a given week.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Am I reading this right in that you'd have all emergencies on the bench and able to be called on as one of the two subs at the club's discretion?

Feel like this would need to go along with some more structured AFL/Reserves fixturing, cause otherwise you could end up with 3-4 fit players not playing footy in a given week.

Yes.

I think team's will manage it.

If you play before the reserves game, then there's no loss, if after then you can rest players, let them play half the game, or even have a rotating rest spot.

One player is always the first preference sub and he rests, assuming that he will play a quarter, and everyone else plays the reserves game

It's a professional sport, they can figure out how to optimize load management.

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[SkyhorseTamer]

Perhaps we need a cap on the amount of interchanges an individual can have during a game.

That sounds like a good idea actually. Just won't ever happen idt

 

[Arr0w]

If they keep the sub in place, w hat I'd like to see, is the VFL affiliated side playing after the AFL side

 

[Sector 7G]

If they keep the sub in place, w hat I'd like to see, is the VFL affiliated side playing after the AFL side

Otherwise it is not just the sub that misses game time but the carry over emergency (sometimes 2 on interstate trips or when players are struggling to get up).

Kills young player development and confidence when they sometimes play 1 full game in a month when factored in the ridiculous number of VFL byes.