Autopsy 3 Things you Learnt vs North

[Wolftone]

I agree. I don't like it and I would like to see any player that induces the high contact penalized. This includes dropping at the knees, lifting the arm and running head long into an opponent (as Whorethorn did in the 2012 GF). Unfortunately, until they change the rules the tackler needs to adjust his technique.

What Thomas does is very different to what Hewitt does. Thomas does the above things better and more frequently than any other player. He also repeatedly runs head long into his opponent. Hewitt doesn't do that, he just drops at the knees.

so you would like a player to get penalised for being caught head high. You'd like our own George Hewett to get penalised for head highs. I bet you were only too happy to take Georgie's head high frees. He does exactly the same thing except he lowers the shoulder and draws the free that way, after lowering his knees. This would be illegal in your estimation.

 

[Wolftone]

I agree. I don't like it and I would like to see any player that induces the high contact penalized. This includes dropping at the knees, lifting the arm and running head long into an opponent (as Whorethorn did in the 2012 GF). Unfortunately, until they change the rules the tackler needs to adjust his technique.

What Thomas does is very different to what Hewitt does. Thomas does the above things better and more frequently than any other player. He also repeatedly runs head long into his opponent. Hewitt doesn't do that, he just drops at the knees.

No he does not. Figures speak for themselves. Selwood draws more of these frees than any player, in fact more than double Thomas, 120-54. There are many other players ahead of Thomas, including Scott Selwood. Why wasn't Selwood singled out? He is the most prolific by a LONG way? No it is racism, I'm sorry but there are a good percentage of racists in the commentary box, they showed it last year in the Goodes saga.

 

[Mister B]

Would read. On the #lolnorf board or MB?

MB

 

[Lakeside Swan]

so you would like a player to get penalised for being caught head high. You'd like our own George Hewett to get penalised for head highs. I bet you were only too happy to take Georgie's head high frees. He does exactly the same thing except he lowers the shoulder and draws the free that way, after lowering his knees. This would be illegal in your estimation.

I was very happy for Hewitt to get those frees because the current rules allow it. I don't like the current stance by the AFL on this but if that's what the rule is then that it was the rule is and the players will continue to induce high contact.

The rules don't allow a player to fall backwards into an opponent to get get a free kick. That free to Thomas against Smith was a clear error by the umpire. You may recall the AFL coming out last year and stating that players who run into opponents (same as what Thomas did) in order to get a free kick would be penalized? The AFL has also made it clear that the onus is on the tackler in if the ball holder drops his knees or lifts the arm.

Are you saying that our players should never drop at the knees, lift the arm, exaggerate a push in the back, etc, etc when the rest of the competition does it?

 

[kneecapper]

No he does not. Figures speak for themselves. Selwood draws more of these frees than any player, in fact more than double Thomas, 120-54. There are many other players ahead of Thomas, including Scott Selwood. Why wasn't Selwood singled out? He is the most prolific by a LONG way? No it is racism, I'm sorry but there are a good percentage of racists in the commentary box, they showed it last year in the Goodes saga.

Daniel Wells made the very astute point this morning that LT often gets his frees in the forward 50 resulting in a set shot which allows far more time for scrutiny/replays than those that happen in the midfield because play restarts immediately.

But anyone who thinks the level of focus and vitriol directed at players like Goodes and Thomas isn't, in some significant part, the result of some pretty ugly stereotypes about Aboriginals in the wider community (namely, that they are lazy/cheat/get an unfair leg up from the powers that be) has wilfully buried their head in the sand. Also much easier to dehumanise them by referring to them as animals as some in this thread have ably demonstrated.

Goodes v Hodge. Thomas v Selwood. The comparative difference in the scrutiny and treatment they face has only one clear and obvious explanation.

 

[robbieando]

Play nice or I'll start to issue thread bans.

Comparing Selwood to Thomas is a false flag. One is a midfielder who mainly gets his free kicks in the centre, the other a stay at home small forward who gets shots at goal from his free kicks. Hence the difference in outrage.

 

[CD__]

You can't compare Selwood and Thomas, Selwood does occasionally duck but he is one of the toughest footballers ever to play the game and can never have his courage questioned. Off the top of my head I can't ever remember LT doing anything remotely courageous.

 

[Wolftone]

Daniel Wells made the very astute point this morning that LT often gets his frees in the forward 50 resulting in a set shot which allows far more time for scrutiny/replays than those that happen in the midfield because play restarts immediately.

But anyone who thinks the level of focus and vitriol directed at players like Goodes and Thomas isn't, in some significant part, the result of some pretty ugly stereotypes about Aboriginals in the wider community (namely, that they are lazy/cheat/get an unfair leg up from the powers that be) has wilfully buried their head in the sand. Also much easier to dehumanise them by referring to them as animals as some in this thread have ably demonstrated.

Goodes v Hodge. Thomas v Selwood. The comparative difference in the scrutiny and treatment they face has only one clear and obvious explanation.

i agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Tuco]

I suspect LT uses the crowd to motivate himself. Some players actually thrive with a bit of crowd interaction. And it's not related to his Aboriginality. Libba in the 90's was another example of a player that openly pushed the limits of the rules to his advantage.

LT knows what he's doing and he loves it. It's why he's not emotionally destroyed by the booing. He's actually cultivating it. Some guys just enjoy playing the villain.

FWIW I've seen Selwood get a million frees, but I've never seen him throw out his arms, and do a swandive for a free kick.

 

[miggs]

Has anyone else seen the afl memes page on fbook? Their latest pic with buddy is showing the class of norf supporters. Blaming the umps. Having a dig at buddys mental health too. Classless pieces of shit they are

 

[The King!]

 

[Tedeski]

You can't compare Selwood and Thomas, Selwood does occasionally duck but he is one of the toughest footballers ever to play the game and can never have his courage questioned. Off the top of my head I can't ever remember LT doing anything remotely courageous.

That's pretty rough!

He once slid along the ground & snapped some poor bloke's leg in half.
He could have hurt his footy studs that day.

 

[bedford]

Selwood is a champion that's all. Back to the North scum please

 

[Superstar swan]

i dont have a problem with players who actively pursue free kicks by going low and staying low and thus copping a high ie hewett. If players dont like it, be the first to the ball and you wont have that problem.

however lindsay is where i take exception. Dropping the knees, literally holding onto a players arm over his shoulder and even diving out of a contest looking for a push in the back call, is purely cheating.

 

[MaddAdam]

No he does not. Figures speak for themselves. Selwood draws more of these frees than any player, in fact more than double Thomas, 120-54. There are many other players ahead of Thomas, including Scott Selwood. Why wasn't Selwood singled out? He is the most prolific by a LONG way? No it is racism, I'm sorry but there are a good percentage of racists in the commentary box, they showed it last year in the Goodes saga.

Yep, the truth. In fact, the same people have disgraced themselves on both issues, namely Brereton and BT.

 

[Tedeski]

i dont have a problem with players who actively pursue free kicks by going low and staying low and thus copping a high ie hewett. If players dont like it, be the first to the ball and you wont have that problem.

however lindsay is where i take exception. Dropping the knees, literally holding onto a players arm over his shoulder and even diving out of a contest looking for a push in the back call, is purely cheating.

He is only doing it because he persistently gets rewarded for it.

I say grab his arm when tackling him & lift it up & back for him.
He'll quit it soon enough.

 

[robbieando]

Please can we stop referring to players regardless of who they are or who they play for as "Dogs".

It's distasteful and starting to reflect badly on this board in my opinion. I'll be deleting posts with the term from now on

 

[The King!]

It is a crying shame that downhill skier seagull will end up the leagues games record holder

 

[The King!]

Please can we stop referring to players regardless of who they are or who they play for as "Dogs".

It's distasteful and starting to reflect badly on this board in my opinion. I'll be deleting posts with the term from now on

What if they play for the bulldogs?

Eg Tom Boyd is a dog

 

[robbieando]

What if they play for the bulldogs?

Eg Tom Boyd is a dog

Luckily they don't have many dirty players

 

[Nool Carpenna]

I am quite happy for the rule to stay the same. As Leigh Matthews said why keep changing the rules for a free that has been there since the game began. It is a free always has been and always should be. As Leigh says if we stop giving head highs then we just become Rugby Union, who don't give head highs.

For those interested.... in rugby any player who makes contact with an opponent above the level of the armpits is subject to disciplinary action i.e. penalty, yellow card, even red card and suspension. Rugby has always been very strict on player safety.... now League is a different story altogether.

Please let us not lump the two rugby codes together, they are poles apart

 

[miggs]

Probably says all we need to know about them if we are resorting to banning the term dog. Hasnt been an issue until now.

 

[robbieando]

Probably says all we need to know about them if we are resorting to banning the term dog. Hasnt been an issue until now.

No, that's my decision and mine alone. Applies to this board only.

 

[Number37]

As Leigh says if we stop giving head highs then we just become Rugby Union, who don't give head highs.

That's just bullshit. Rugby has adopted the same philosophy as every other sport with regards to head high contact. i.e. the softest fairy touch to the head is penalised.

 

[The King!]

North fans get upset if you do not rate them