Past #35: Aaron Black - 50 NM games - 64 goals - traded to Geelong for pick 92 in '16 trade period

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In all seriousness none of our forwards have much of a chance to mark anything. Look at bbb it lands on his head and drops them, on the lead to a lace out he takes them, drew likewise, Waite has the jump to get up there and take a bomb into the forward line in the air. Our delivery is shit, we still drop it on their heads and hope for the best.
 
He just needs to work harder and push up the ground more. As a consequence he may not get as much dangerous ball but with the congestion in the current game it is the only way he is going to get ball given he doesn't have a great contested marking game. That said do we have a role for him in the 22? Not right now, no. And he needs games now and into next year.

It will likely be that our choice to recruit Waite and the development of Brown have seen Black starved of opportunities at the highest level and that by the time a space opens up the game may have passed him by.
 
Sadly he was well below the standard needed on Friday night. Even if his confidence is shot or he's not used to the pace of the game, the worst thing was his lack of effort at the contest - it was really poor.

I've been a believer in Black and think he was unfairly maligned by a lot of North fans last year - he did a power of work that opened up opportunites for others - sadly his appetite to work for his team wasn't there on Friday.

Definitely at a cross roads - when he's right he's too good to trade for peanuts but currently a liability - he's causing real headaches for our list managers and coaches.
 

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Was always a fan of Aaron and I think that I always persisted with hope that he could make it last year, when I probably shouldn't of.

Friday night was the line in the sand moment for mine. It is clear that he is not up to it. He is mentally fragile, running around I felt bad for him because it's clear how emotionally shot he is. Just zero confidence.

He also looked super flat footed, and lacked any of the flare that he possessed when he first came to the club. It's a shame, but he wont make it.
 
Anyone who is angry at the club for picking up Waite and playing him in front of Black are crazy. Blacky was pretty terrible last year and limped into the finals in very poor form. He was obviously injured with his shoulder but he lacked effort a lot as well.

The list management guys must have been worried about his form so pick up Waite to cover until he recovers from his shoulder op and comes into good form. I doubt North expected Waite to play 21 games this year too but in the end they almost had to have him play because Black was kicking 1 goal a game in the VFL and barely influencing the game.

Personally i think we should keep him. He isnt worth anything on the trade table and has had a tough year recovering from his shoulder op and trying to get some confidence back. I think being solely aligned with Werribee next year is the best thing for our development players. Have a look at what the Werribee Rd 1 line up could be and you can start to see how we could implement our game plan there and start developing guys like Black better

B: Mullett Tippett Nielsen
HB: Vickers-Willis Durdin McKenzie
C: Fordham X Gibson
HF: Harper Black Wood
F: Turner Daw X
R: Preuss Dumont McDonald
I: Draft pick1, Draft pick2, Draft pick 3

Ive relegated Gibson to the VFL there - thats probably optimistic but would be nice
 
Marstermind said:
He looked like he didn't want to be there. Make it so.
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The problem is, by looking like this all year, on the back of a crap year last year, his trade value is rock bottom at the minute.
 
What is also a worry if you look at stats for the weekend.

He is soft but at least 4 of our defensive players have the same or less tackles than he did.
No wonder we have no confidence in our defence
 
Still confused at the absolute writing off of the bloke.

Not even Aaron Black's biggest fan would argue he had a good game last Friday night. His touch, aggression and approach were all poor.

What I have an issue with is that his talent is now null and void and his career is cooked based on an injury ravaged 2014 and 2 widely separated senior games in 2015 coming off a compromised preseason.
 
SpearPass said:
I've heard time and time again that Waite 'killed' the development of our KPF stocks and that the recruitment of this 'old man' was a blunder.

I call bollocks. Without Waite, our KPF stocks are as such:

Petrie
Brown
Black/Wood/Daw

Petrie is a lock. Brown, was solid last year and has thankfully become a lock. Being dropped this year shows that at times though this was not certain - rightfully so, he's young.

Black/Daw/Wood, haven't set the world on fire, including Black and Wood struggling in the VFL.

That is not a healthy state for our forward stocks. We made a bloody prelim last year. Petrie, Brown and Black/Daw/Wood are probably not gonna get us even to a prelim again. Black is a hit up forward. Maj is a goal square forward who can't read the game at an AFL level. Wood does not bring us the grunt that Waite does.

For a club which should have been going for a premiership tilt, how screwed would we be if Petrie got injured or suspended? Petrie and Waite are the only blokes on our list who can play forward and can save us when our bail out option seems to be that awful long bomb. Brown gets hits goals through nous, strong presenting and hard work. I wouldn't back him in a 1v1 as confidently as I could with Waite or Petrie.

Getting Waite wasn't a blunder at all IMO, he tackles, smothers, provides a contest and has a bit of mongrel about him. He is a non negotiable on our list for this year and next - I know that's a big call, but it is not his fault that Black, Daw and Wood can't even play the third tall role effectively like Brown can. He provides us something that the young blokes don't, and at worst he's a great depth player to have.

Inb4 hi Jarrad.
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bump
 
Manager has a big go at the club and refuses to comment on whether or not they've requested a trade for Blacky.


 
Dover is usually soft spoken in regard to his players isn't he? Seems a bit out of character.
 
He was baited into saying it. I think he'd be happy to stay if we told him that he'd play ones. But he just isnt the same player after the shoulder injury and I doubt he will be again.
 

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Envelopes said:
He was baited into saying it. I think he'd be happy to stay if we told him that he'd play ones. But he just isnt the same player after the shoulder injury and I doubt he will be again.
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Please explain how someone asking a simple question as to "has he asked the club for a trade" as being baited?
 
SacTown15 said:
Please explain how someone asking a simple question as to "has he asked the club for a trade" as being baited?
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I didn't hear the segment. But traditionally the trade radio guys are great at getting the reaction they want
 
Wood is a better 3rd tall prospect anyway. It might save Majak from the axe too, which I don't mind. Hopefully Black will be involved in a trade to get us an outside mid.
 
Any deal will need to benefit us pretty well as he's contracted.
 
because he is contracted for a lengthy period - technically we're not obliged to do a deal are we?

Having said that, we can't expect to think that Scott didn't see something such as this happening. This wouldnt be a surprise
 
25 at the start of 2016 season.

Excellent in 2013, serviceable in 2014 and non-existent in 2015.

Will he get a gig in front of Waite, Dish and Brown next year? Probably not.

Would he be selected as a 3rd tall instead of Wood? 50/50 IMO.

Will Durdin be given a go up forward next year? Probably at some point.

Is Daw ahead of him if we retain him? Yeah, I think so.

Unfortunately for Aaron he has been hit with injury at the wrong times in his career and has not been able to get the work into his body, nor the consistency into his football to cement his spot in the side. I guess what the club needs to do is to look at the cost of keeping a player on decent coin who gets limited opportunity over the benefits received from trading him. Like Basti, its sad when it comes to this, but he is closer to player 30 than 22 and the time is running out for him to make a career for himself. He has some currency so would be a solid trade option.
 
B Tron said:
25 at the start of 2016 season.

Excellent in 2013, serviceable in 2014 and non-existent in 2015.

Will he get a gig in front of Waite, Dish and Brown next year? Probably not.

Would he be selected as a 3rd tall instead of Wood? 50/50 IMO.

Will Durdin be given a go up forward next year? Probably at some point.

Is Daw ahead of him if we retain him? Yeah, I think so.

Unfortunately for Aaron he has been hit with injury at the wrong times in his career and has not been able to get the work into his body, nor the consistency into his football to cement his spot in the side. I guess what the club needs to do is to look at the cost of keeping a player on decent coin who gets limited opportunity over the benefits received from trading him. Like Basti, its sad when it comes to this, but he is closer to player 30 than 22 and the time is running out for him to make a career for himself. He has some currency so would be a solid trade option.
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Due to his lack of track record, you probably have to decide if you eat a portion of the contract for a larger return or take less to have a team take it all on.

FWIW I hope he stays and fights for his place.
 
Passmore said:
Due to his lack of track record, you probably have to decide if you eat a portion of the contract for a larger return or take less to have a team take it all on.
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Totally.

Passmore said:
FWIW I hope he stays and fights for his place.
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Me too, depends on what offers there are though.
 
I hope we deal him to a lowly side; no need to be giving him to one of our biggest competitors (Assuming he wants to go to Freo); imagine if he comes good and starts tearing us up.

Tell him, if he wants a "fresh start" we put him on the open market and see if there's a mutually beneficial deal we can get. First rounder/top 15 player please.
 

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Past #35: Aaron Black - 50 NM games - 64 goals - traded to Geelong for pick 92 in '16 trade period

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