Good Point Kangafruity, it was really sad to see Archer and Stevens make so many mistakes and not just kick poorly, but straight to Saint players. A friend came to the footy with me and simply said that they are resigned to retiring.
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Past #36: Shannon Watt - drafted at #14 in '97 ND - 155 games - 0 Brownlow votes - original whipping boy
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I think it wasn't a bad move to take Watt off Gehrig early, as the contest had "day out" written all over it after those two early goals. However I thought it should only be a temporary move, cop a blast from the coach, see how Archer goes, then get back on the ground.
To leave the Gehrig-Archer mismatch for so long was a bad move, because not only did Gehrig cut up Arch, it also left Hamill without a suitable opponent and as is well known Hamill doesn't need to find huge amounts of the footy to have an impact.
Should have given Watt a spell and a spray and kept him away from Gehrig for maybe 30 minutes, then back into it.
To leave the Gehrig-Archer mismatch for so long was a bad move, because not only did Gehrig cut up Arch, it also left Hamill without a suitable opponent and as is well known Hamill doesn't need to find huge amounts of the footy to have an impact.
Should have given Watt a spell and a spray and kept him away from Gehrig for maybe 30 minutes, then back into it.
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Hey Moti, don't get me involved in your "I hate Stevo and Arch" little diatribe,
my point was that there were others making mistakes, blokes with a lot more experience who didn't cop a public spray and that it was extremely disappointing that the coach used Shannon Watt as his scapegoat.
(I also notice that you didn't include Shannon Grant when using my post, why would that be?)
my point was that there were others making mistakes, blokes with a lot more experience who didn't cop a public spray and that it was extremely disappointing that the coach used Shannon Watt as his scapegoat.
(I also notice that you didn't include Shannon Grant when using my post, why would that be?)
Up until the last few months, I was fairly sure that Watt was our answer to full-back. However, doubts are starting to creep in, and I actually agree with Laidley's thought's on Watt's game on Sunday: "Poor" sounds about right.
Sure leaving Archer on Gehrig wasn't working, but those first few goals he kicked against Watt looked so easy.
Watt really seems to lack footy smarts and at times he looks out of his depth. For a guy who's played 67 games is 192cm & 98kg it's a concern.
Whether or not Laidley should have sprayed him publicly? Probably not a great idea, what does it achieve?
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Sure leaving Archer on Gehrig wasn't working, but those first few goals he kicked against Watt looked so easy.
Watt really seems to lack footy smarts and at times he looks out of his depth. For a guy who's played 67 games is 192cm & 98kg it's a concern.
Whether or not Laidley should have sprayed him publicly? Probably not a great idea, what does it achieve?
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Darky said:
Agree wholeheartedly Darky. The only things missing from Laidley's post game blast was violence and bloodshed.
If there is one player that has benefitted from Laidley being at the club it has been Watt. I still think he is the best option at FB at the moment. Watto has played all but one game since Laidley became coach. I feel as though Watt is Laidley's project player and this spray is all part of the long term plan. I recall Malcolm Blight giving a public spray to one of his players (Pittman at Adelaide in 1997). Don't forget that a win this week gets us back in the eight.........and then there is a game against Brisbane!!
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Very true.
I know I'm not going into next week with the idea we have the points all wrapped up as the Doogies seem to always put in a fight against us. Tough game. Big ASK to win the remaining two games.
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Maybe the Coach knows something about Watt that we don;t and maybe he figures a public spray is the way to fire him up.
Archer and Stevo don't need to be told. Just who they are, the stage of their careers and the way they reacted on the ground to their errors tells me that.
Laidley may be wrong but don't forget he is still a rookie coach and has a lot of mistakes still to make. He wears his heart on his sleeve and would have been shattered by the loss. It is a long way back to earth after the high of last week.
Gehrig was the difference between the two sides, I believe. Hence why Laids anger was directed that way.
Archer and Stevo don't need to be told. Just who they are, the stage of their careers and the way they reacted on the ground to their errors tells me that.
Laidley may be wrong but don't forget he is still a rookie coach and has a lot of mistakes still to make. He wears his heart on his sleeve and would have been shattered by the loss. It is a long way back to earth after the high of last week.
Gehrig was the difference between the two sides, I believe. Hence why Laids anger was directed that way.
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Bit harsh the slag off in Watt's direction - but there's probably some method to the JYD's madness (be surprised if that wasn't a pre-meditated positioning of a rocket beneath the Full Back's sphincter).
While the coach was on the attack - he should have sent a similiar message to Leigh Brown. If it wasn't for his sloppy hit on Kirk last weekend, we would have had a much closer 2nd half.
While the coach was on the attack - he should have sent a similiar message to Leigh Brown. If it wasn't for his sloppy hit on Kirk last weekend, we would have had a much closer 2nd half.
Am pretty shocked that Watt got singled out like that, when it was the lack of pressure upfield that led to them getting the ball into the forward line so quickly in that initial first quarter burst. He got beaten in a couple of contests...it happens. Certainly didn't squib any contests that I saw.
I've had my doubts about him in the past, but he has improved a fair bit from last year in terms of contesting one-on-one, to the point where I think we should stick with him. While he can't read the play right now, that ability is one of those that can be developed through experience. So can we lay off the guy...there's a fair few others out there (i.e. our 'stoppers' in the midfield) who deserve as much, if not more of the blame than him.
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I've had my doubts about him in the past, but he has improved a fair bit from last year in terms of contesting one-on-one, to the point where I think we should stick with him. While he can't read the play right now, that ability is one of those that can be developed through experience. So can we lay off the guy...there's a fair few others out there (i.e. our 'stoppers' in the midfield) who deserve as much, if not more of the blame than him.
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Archer on Gherig was always gonna be the wrong one.
I seem to remember in the past Arch has been absolutely hammered by Richo who's quite similar to Fraser.
Seasons not over yet, but it almost is.
I seem to remember in the past Arch has been absolutely hammered by Richo who's quite similar to Fraser.
Seasons not over yet, but it almost is.
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Archer on Gehrig was worth a try. It didn't work and he should have been moved.apollo_creed said:
Arch has a good record against Richo.
I remember one occasion when Richo absolutely towelled us and Arch was playing on him for the majority of the game.Dingster said:
I just think Laidley should of kept faith in Watt like he did last year. Watt's a far better player than last year and I'm sure would've been more effective than Arch. It's al hindsight now though and hindsight is the talk of losers.
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True, but overall Arch won his share of battles. I can remember Richo talking about it too.apollo_creed said:
I agree that Watt should have had another crack much earlier.
dont know watt the spray was about as the majority of the goals came against archer,Dingster said:
onthe richo comparison, i was talking about this with the cabbie on the way home and i think he summed it up when he said its all about the delivery into the forward line,
richo seems to get the ball delivered into the pockets and not the same kicking accuracy as g- string. richo also takes marks overhead or in a position that can be spoiled.
gehrig has kicks hitting him on the chest from perfect passes harder to spoil,
the only thing wrong yesterday was that watt should of wrestled more with gehrig but the buggers quick too.
Its strange that he'd spray Watt now after one average performance.
When last year he gave Watt 100% game time despite being towelled up every second week and having bags kicked on him. His show of faith last year was significant and the rewards looked to be present this season.
Watt's improved this season considerably, yet Laidley's faith in him has reduced significantly. Quite strange if you ask me.
When last year he gave Watt 100% game time despite being towelled up every second week and having bags kicked on him. His show of faith last year was significant and the rewards looked to be present this season.
Watt's improved this season considerably, yet Laidley's faith in him has reduced significantly. Quite strange if you ask me.
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It was worth the risk. Thinking about it, Gehrig can be niggled and put off his game, so maybe JYD was hoping that Archer could niggle Gehrig enough to put him off his game.
He did leave Archer on Gehrig for too long, but in the same way that you say that Richo has beaten Archer, Gehrig has thrashed Watt in his last two games plus the first 15 minutes of the 1st quarter on Sunday.
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Shannon Watts biggest problem is that he is not feared by his opponents, he needs to take some angry pills and really apply physical pressure! if he has to flatten someone to get his pont across so be it! Look at mel michael he is as tough as nails and who ever plays on him knows there will be ice packs all over there body after the game! Shannon Watt is too soft, he has the right body type to apply enough physical pressure to his opponents!
Then why decide on Sunday after Watt has improved in leaps and bounds to remove him from G duty.Shinboners said:
Archer's restrictions now are significant and to play on the biggest forward in the game was asking a helluva lot.
Very true Apollo, but we all know what the right moves should have been on Monday morning, don't we?
I'm pretty much over it though. My main disappointment was that we allowed the margin to blow out - we haven't been belted like that since earlier on in the season.
I'm pretty much over it though. My main disappointment was that we allowed the margin to blow out - we haven't been belted like that since earlier on in the season.
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I think Gehrig would have kicked a few regardless of who was on him unless we double teamed him or had the ruckman drop back. The great thing about our last coach is he keeps the faith even in the bad times. To move Watt even after the 2 goals i think wasnt ideal. Watt has improved this yr and Gehrig is the strongest with Lynch in the league. Apart from these 2 players Watt will and has covered most forwards this yr. He should have left him on him for a half at least and either double teamed him with a lose man or dropped the ruckmen back to help. Mind u its up to the midfield to pressure their opponents too. Watt may have kept him to only 6 goals still alot, but a lot less than 10.
I agree with Shinboner. Laidley should keep his criticism of Players in house.Denis or Barass would never do it openly. Would always be done behind closed doors.
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Laidley stated at the start of the year that he cut some of the younger players a fair bit slack last season, but he would be far more demanding on them this year.
Expectations have grown I think.
The ease at which Gehrig was allowed to set up their first 3 goals forced Laidley's hand.
He embarrased Watt the first 3 times he had a chance to. 3 1-on-1's, not leads. Gehrig won all three because he played smarter and stronger than Watt.
We didn't have the luxury of leaving Watt on Gehrig and allow him to kick 10 goals.
With us fighting for our finals existence, Laidley had to make the move in the belief that it would work.
With no Brown or Colbert, options were few.
Whilst Gehrig then proceeded to towel up Archer and eventually kick 10, we were still in the game to 3/4 time. There was no need to panic.
Let Gehrig kick 10, 15 or 20....who cares as long as we were still in the game.
Archer got towelled because of the lack of pressue on their ball carriers.
Watt got beaten early because he was out muscled, out positioned and out played.
He embarrased Watt the first 3 times he had a chance to. 3 1-on-1's, not leads. Gehrig won all three because he played smarter and stronger than Watt.
We didn't have the luxury of leaving Watt on Gehrig and allow him to kick 10 goals.
With us fighting for our finals existence, Laidley had to make the move in the belief that it would work.
With no Brown or Colbert, options were few.
Whilst Gehrig then proceeded to towel up Archer and eventually kick 10, we were still in the game to 3/4 time. There was no need to panic.
Let Gehrig kick 10, 15 or 20....who cares as long as we were still in the game.
Archer got towelled because of the lack of pressue on their ball carriers.
Watt got beaten early because he was out muscled, out positioned and out played.
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