List Mgmt. #4 Dustin Martin Contract Talk - 7 MORE YEARS

[fleabitten]

IMO, the reality is, there should be no compensation for a Free Agency move... That's why it's called "FREE"... it's not called compensation agency.

If a player is allowed to assess his options, you, as a club, have every access to give him your best offer (and I don't just mean money). If they choose to leave, then it's bad luck, you had your chance and blew it!

What makes it hard is that Free Agency only kicks in after 8 years, so the number of free agents is pitiful to be honest.
IMO free Agency should be available after 4 years of service, (so min of 2 contracts). So if you lost a player, the market for a replacement would be much much bigger.

Also if the market was that big, these "Godfather" deals probably wouldn't exist.

Agree on no compensation. That basically makes the other 16 teams who weren't involved pay the cost of the trade by moving down a draft spot each for every one of their picks. Unfair and stupid.

Unfortunately, they've made such a meal of their FA system, that it really does seem like teams deserve compensation. Superstars are being poached by clubs that couldn't afford the contracts they are offering without AFL assistance.

 

[docko911]

Sam Newman suggested Rance take a paycut so they give Dusty more coin
Don't think Rance liked that.

Rance is probably a more valuable player but doesn't win you games, only stops you from losing them.

 

[TigermanM2]

Sounds like Balmey was conceding defeat and preparing the supporters for the worst. Dusty clearly wants the cash. He's gone.

Didn't quite view it like that but I can see why you would.

I just think he was being a realist and giving a honest opinion on why we just cant keep increasing our offer. At some point we have to reach a figure and say that's it.

 

[Mr Magic]

Balmey summed it all up pretty well on SEN this morning.



PAY SOMEONE TOO MUCH AND YOU'LL FAIL: BALME
BY SEN 2 HOURS AGO

Richmond football manager Neil Balme says overpaying players sets a club up to fail.

It’s been reported North Melbourne has pushed every chip in to lure Dustin Martin with a seven-year deal at $1.5 million a season. The deal is said to be significantly more than Richmond is willing to pay the Brownlow Medal favourite.

“We want to pay everyone as much as we possibly can but you can’t pay anyone too much and you can’t pay anyone too little,” Balme told SEN’s Hungry for Sport.

“You’ve got to keep working to make sure everyone gets a fair crack at it because that’s what building a team is about. That’s what builds trust from the players to the club and the club to the players. That’s when teams do their best.

“But if you get it wrong and pay someone too much, or pay people too little, then you’ll fail.”

Despite suggestions Martin was on the verge of re-signing at Tigerland some weeks ago, no signature has been forthcoming. Given rival clubs have not pulled out of the race suggests they believe the star playmaker is still very much on the market.

Balme would not be drawn on whether the Tigers most recent offer was final, but intimated no individual was bigger than the club.

“You take things into account, just as you take the rest of the club into account,” he said.

“Every decision will be made for all of our club and all of our players.

“We preach fairness and commitment, everyone in supporting each other and we demand great performance from each other and accept weaknesses…all of that happens but it can only happen if it happens everywhere, from the pay scale to the game to whatever it is.”

The long time footy boss also questioned the logic and wisdom of free agency.

“If Dustin chooses to go somewhere else because the AFL has introduced free agency then so be it,” he said.

“We said at the outset that free agency was going to be very inflationary and its going to give the guy who is getting a bucket load of dough a bucket load more.

“I don’t understand the logic of that because where are the players going to go if they are not getting more money. Their not going to go and play rugby...it makes no sense to me.

“The lesser players are getting less which doesn’t make any sense to me either because that first notion of team first and buying in and every player is as important as the next one when the ball is at their feet is diminished when these inflationary things happen.”

So how do we handle the Prestia overpayment?

 

[joelsyt]

Sam Newman suggested Rance take a paycut so they give Dusty more coin
Don't think Rance liked that.

Rance is our best player, despite popular opinion. He's already on unders for how important he is to Richmond.

 

[_Wang_]

Rance is our best player, despite popular opinion. He's already on unders for how important he is to Richmond.

He is our most important not necessarily best I think

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Didn't quite view it like that but I can see why you would.

I just think he was being a realist and giving a honest opinion on why we just cant keep increasing our offer. At some point we have to reach a figure and say that's it.

Exactly, simply put it was if you overpay for one player you will not see success. 17 clubs looking at lolnorf and going " your ****ing crazy "

 

[joelsyt]

So how do we handle the Prestia overpayment?

With the new payment structures Prestia is actually not being overpaid.

 

[joelsyt]

He is our most important not necessarily best I think

Still on unders though. He's the last one on our list that needs a pay cut.

 

[_Wang_]

Still on unders though. He's the last one on our list that needs a pay cut.

Agreed

 

[Calcium Man]

Agree on no compensation. That basically makes the other 16 teams who weren't involved pay the cost of the trade by moving down a draft spot each for every one of their picks. Unfair and stupid.

Unfortunately, they've made such a meal of their FA system, that it really does seem like teams deserve compensation. Superstars are being poached by clubs that couldn't afford the contracts they are offering without AFL assistance.

The whole point of FA was to provide more freedom and cash for the AFLs middle tier but they farked it up but not balancing that with extra powers for the clubs and protection on contracts.

Scrap compo
Give teams 2 year team option on draftees after first 2 years
Reduce RFA to 4 years and UFA to 6
Allow teams to pay 10% outside cap after 6 years and increase by 5% every 2 years to a maximum of 25% but only for 3-4 players on the list.

That will give the clubs more power and protect them from losing stars, although like NBA a team should be able to trade for a player and get his cap exemption rights, and it will provide more movement and cash for the rest of the AFL players

 

[tugga]

So, Dusty plays in front of 87k against...wait for it...Melbourne earlier in the year. he will play in front of 75k against...lol - wait for it - lol...St Kilda this weekend.
The same fixtures against Norf would get 25k, that's if the game isn't in Hobart where it will be half that.

 

[docko911]

North could pay Dusty $2.5m for the next two years probably $2m the next year while their poor list catches up.

Pretty much any shit club could do this. This is why a salary cap doesn't work. Teams deserve to have down periods if they haven't managed their list correctly.

 

[Makeshft_Mauler]

So, Dusty plays in front of 87k against...wait for it...Melbourne earlier in the year. he will play in front of 75k against...lol - wait for it - lol...St Kilda this weekend.
The same fixtures against Norf would get 25k, that's if the game isn't in Hobart where it will be half that.

Chief

if hes leaving hes not going because he thinks they will have bigger games, hes not leaving because he thinks they will play more finals, hes not leaving because he thinks they have a better list, hes not leaving because he thinks they will win a flag.

Hes leaving because they have a bigger cheque book from forced retiring a bunch of their players last year/this year.

 

[Mr Magic]

With the new payment structures Prestia is actually not being overpaid.

Says you?

 

[joelsyt]

Exactly, simply put it was if you overpay for one player you will not see success. 17 clubs looking at lolnorf and going " your ******* crazy "

Someone did the math earlier in the thread. 1.5m is a really ridiculous percentage of the salary cap for 1 player.

 

[wart101]

Chief

if hes leaving hes not going because he thinks they will have bigger games, hes not leaving because he thinks they will play more finals, hes not leaving because he thinks they have a better list, hes not leaving because he thinks they will win a flag.

Hes leaving because they have a bigger cheque book from forced retiring a bunch of their players last year/this year.

He's leaving? I thought he was to decide.

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[Makeshft_Mauler]

He's leaving? I thought he was to decide.

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first line is if he leaves.

I just dont see the point in everyone bringing up how we play in front of big crowds, how we are on the cusp of some real success.

SInce in the event he does leave it wont be for any of those things, it will be for the benjamins.

 

[Groupie_]

Lol toot toot speaks rubbish mate

nah he knows more than all the journos

 

[Makeshft_Mauler]

Someone did the math earlier in the thread. 1.5m is a really ridiculous percentage of the salary cap for 1 player.

its like 12% or something.

 

[wart101]

first line is if he leaves.

I just dont see the point in everyone bringing up how we play in front of big crowds, how we are on the cusp of some real success.

SInce in the event he does leave it wont be for any of those things, it will be for the benjamins.

Because if he stays it will because of all that plus friendship?

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[joelsyt]

Says you?

No, I just disagree with you about Prestia being overpaid. I am allowed to have an opinion.

Push comes to shove even if we were as shit as north Melbourne I still wouldn't be happy paying one player 1.5m a year.

Not even Dustin Martin is worth that. If he thinks he is, more power to him, I hope he enjoys hanging around the bottom of the ladder, again, for a few more years.

 

[blackcat]

Boner? best player?

Robbie human priapus n has shurly this title, why was he delisted and dal santo r crooted

Boner is probably their best player.

 

[Groupie_]

Gold Coast and Sydney are the dark horse

Gold Coast could offer him a huge deal now that Gabblett is gone and the afl would absolutely love that wouldnt they

 

[joelsyt]

its like 12% or something.

Like I said. Ridiculous.

There's what 40? Players on a list and 1 person gets 12% of the salary cap leaving 88% for 39 players. That just can't end well.