Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 19: Law and Odour

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[Bloods86]

In what sense?

In the sense that you seemed to be equating corporate/business taxation (which was being discussed) with personal income tax cuts (the cuts we just got here).

 

[Blue1980]

All this talk of lower taxes for rich people, I guess it’s worth fighting for a dictator for.

I get that’s a bit glib, but tax rates are stuff that can be discussed when we are talking normal candidates who accept election results.

 

[Barrybran]

This was unclear. Small business isn't failing 4 out of 5 times because of 'red tape' though.

A lot of your posting is stock standard LNP talking point still. Nebulous things like 'red tape' that they can't really seem to explain or point to.

If you want an example of a silly tax that actively prevents employment? Payroll Tax.

Payroll tax applies to businesses above a certain wage threshold though. If you're paying payroll tax, making money generally isn't a problem for you.

 

[Bloods86]

Here is the script of Biden's recent speeches

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Still better on policy position and judicial appointments than Trump.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Is it? The Democrats controlled the House, Senate, Whitehouse and SCOTUS during the 1960's. If they wanted change, they could have made it then. They've also controlled both the House and Senate more recently when SCOTUS was split 4-4 when they had a vacancy.

So Dems have had ample opportunities to pass federal laws on gun control.

The issue with gun control in the US is the constitution not the federal law and no one wants to touch that.

 

[Captivating]

The issue with gun control in the US is the constitution not the federal law and no one wants to touch that.

But it has been touched before, many times. People aren't allowed to own a machine gun because of a law.

 

[faible]

Payroll tax applies to businesses above a certain wage threshold though. If you're paying payroll tax, making money generally isn't a problem for you.

Eh I disagree there, the actual threshold for paying it sounds high at $900,000 but that's less than 20 staff at median wage rates. You don't have to be a large business to hit that threshold.

It means you're probably out of that 4/5 small businesses going under realm, but it's an extra cost to employing more staff, which is kind of the opposite of what the government is supposed to want.

 

[campbell]

But it has been touched before, many times. People aren't allowed to own a machine gun because of a law.

Why in heck would anyone want to, or need to own a machine gun?

 

[Cyber_punk]

Why in heck would anyone want to, or need to own a machine gun?

Americans:

 

[Kappa]

FFS give up with your misogynistic commentary.

Leaving aside the glaring security failure that enabled someone with a gun to climb up undetected on the roof of a building with clear vision of the stage area where Trump was speaking, THIS is the last security breakdown before the shots which killed a Trump supporter and narrowly missed Trump himself.

Two beefy and highly trained male police officers with sniper's rifles trained on the shooter. But neither takes the shooter down until AFTER he has taken shots at Trump.

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'Diversity hiring' isn't the glaring issue in the yesterday's security failings, despite what those Sky reporters are telling you.

Get it?

So you think it's fine that the most elite bodyguards have diversity metrics and have to be 30% female rather than the best candiates?

That's acceptable to you? Are you okay in the head? Calling that sexism is ACTUALLY moronic.

 

[Barrybran]

Eh I disagree there, the actual threshold for paying it sounds high at $900,000 but that's less than 20 staff at median wage rates. You don't have to be a large business to hit that threshold.

It means you're probably out of that 4/5 small businesses going under realm, but it's an extra cost to employing more staff, which is kind of the opposite of what the government is supposed to want.

You're correct. All I'm saying is that if you're at a point where you're employing 20 staff, you're probably doing some things right and payroll tax is going to be a minor inconvenience at best. You're also probably not running as a sole trader or partnership by this point either so you're paying a lower rate of tax anyway.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Why in heck would anyone want to, or need to own a machine gun?

In order to fire off 600 rounds per minute

 

[Gough]

So you think it's fine that the most elite bodyguards have diversity metrics and have to be 30% female rather than the best candiates?

That's acceptable to you? Are you okay in the head? Calling that sexism is ACTUALLY moronic.

Did the female bodyguards do anything wrong in protecting Trump, or are you just tilting at windmills?

 

[Kappa]

Did the female bodyguards do anything wrong in protecting Trump, or are you just tilting at windmills?

Never said they did.

But it is utterly pathetic and ridiculous the secret service has a diversity metric, how can you argue that?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Among some of the fun online conspiracy theories:

Inside job
False flag fake blood
Jewish cabal did it
Chinese did it
Biden ordered it

In all these scenarios why would they got some random 20 year old who can’t aim?

If it was a false flag they’d have been trying to frame a black/gay/trans person who was part of BLM protests doing the shooting.

I’ve lost count of the sharks jumped

 

[campbell]

Never said they did.

But it is utterly pathetic and ridiculous the secret service has a diversity metric, how can you argue that?

What is wrong with you?

 

[10571z]

How’s the left wing American media trying to downplay the entire assassination attempt. Laughable.

 

[10571z]

Never said they did.

But it is utterly pathetic and ridiculous the secret service has a diversity metric, how can you argue that?

It’s beyond belief. But not surprising in 2024

 

[Malifice]

If there was no gun control problem in the 1960's, then why did the US enact GCA (1968) and the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968?

I didnt say there wasnt a gun control problem in the 60's.

I said it's disingenuous to compare the gun control problem of the 60's (90 million guns = 5 guns per 10 people, mostly revolvers and hunting rifles, next to no assault weapons, relatively rare mass shootings) to the gun control problem of the 2020's (400 million guns = 12 guns per 10 people, mostly semi automatic high capacity handguns and around 100 million (25 percent of all guns in circulation) AR-15 style semi automatic assault weapons, advanced targeting optics and lasers, mass shootings routine).




You could argue that should the Politicians in the 60's had have acted harder back then, it may have mitigated the problem the Seppos have now, but the reality was that in the 60's guns (and gun violence) was not the problem it is now, and to compare the two periods by critiquing non action in the 60's is disingenuous.

It's also disingenuous to blame Democrats for the gun problem at the moment. They couldn't do anything at the moment even if they tried and had the political will to act (and get wiped out in elections like what happened to Obama when he managed to get limited gun control in and the got wiped out in the midterms) and whatever they managed to get up, the SCOTUS would overturn in any event.

Clearly the Democrats support ending the above and much tighter gun control. Arguing otherwise is fantasy land stuff.

Barring the 2A being repealed that country is ****ed for the foreseeable future at least.

 

[Mick F]

Did the female bodyguards do anything wrong in protecting Trump, or are you just tilting at windmills?

Was it Uvalde where the officers were cowering outside, too gutless to confront the teenage shooter? Over 350 - school police, U.S. Border Patrol, state police, city police, sheriff’s deputies, U.S. marshals, DEA officers et al?

 

[OneGreatClub]

How’s the left wing American media trying to downplay the entire assassination attempt. Laughable.

To prevent a civil
war perhaps? Or do you want people killing in the streets?
Of course Trump in typical form is already using it as a fundraising opportunity. What do you think about that?

 

[Captivating]

Why in heck would anyone want to, or need to own a machine gun?

Because the 2nd amendment says you can.

But the Law says otherwise.

 

[10571z]

Footage out of the crowd warning authorities there was a person crawling on the roof.

Beyond belief how poor the SS was. Trump needs his own security

 

[Gavin Excell]

How’s the left wing American media trying to downplay the entire assassination attempt. Laughable.

How has any media played it down
All are reporting it as a genuine assassination attempt aren't they?

 

[Blue1980]

How’s the left wing American media trying to downplay the entire assassination attempt. Laughable.

They are? Where is this happening?

All evidence is pointing to a right winger doing it too. Are you “downplaying” that?