Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden 2: Incidit in scyllam cupiens vitare charybdim

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Agree although it is going to be tough as I forget another person that is standing, West. Now all those third party standing won't get many votes (Kennedy? and Manchin may if he decides to stand), it may be enough together with those that won't turn up to give Trump enough votes and win.

I don't think that the Abortion issue will factor as much in Presidential race more for those within the state Legislature and Senate/House seats.
 
Agree although it is going to be tough as I forget another person that is standing, West. Now all those third party standing won't get many votes (Kennedy? and Manchin may if he decides to stand), it may be enough together with those that won't turn up to give Trump enough votes and win.

Perhaps Biden voters could vote for West instead rather than deliver Trump the presidency.

I don't think that the Abortion issue will factor as much in Presidential race more for those within the state Legislature and Senate/House seats.

It continues to be the best card the Democrats have, and especially given Trump delivered the justices who overturned Roe v Wade. Campaigning on the economy during a cost of living crisis is madness.
 

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Agree although it is going to be tough as I forget another person that is standing, West. Now all those third party standing won't get many votes (Kennedy? and Manchin may if he decides to stand), it may be enough together with those that won't turn up to give Trump enough votes and win.

I don't think that the Abortion issue will factor as much in Presidential race more for those within the state Legislature and Senate/House seats.
You're probably right about the abortion issue, that would be down the list on reasons someone would not vote for T. It will be more a problem for R congress critters.
West shouldn't be a serious candidate, be he might help push discussions, and I think he would bow out if things were getting close. If both parties drop to old guys and have strong candidates, I can see Manchin dropping out as well. He won't want spend a lot of money on a lost campaign, unless he could keep the unspent part. I'm all for him and Kennedy getting humiliated on the big stage. West is a decent man.
 
Plenty of nutter voters in the good old USA.
In my first election, the outcome was known before I could go vote.(west coaster) So I voted for Libertarian Barry Commoner. :laughv1:
I would have voted Carter if it had been still in doubt. I actually voted Reagan in 84 and Bush in 88, then back to Clinton.
 
You're probably right about the abortion issue, that would be down the list on reasons someone would not vote for T. It will be more a problem for R congress critters.
West shouldn't be a serious candidate, be he might help push discussions, and I think he would bow out if things were getting close. If both parties drop to old guys and have strong candidates, I can see Manchin dropping out as well. He won't want spend a lot of money on a lost campaign, unless he could keep the unspent part. I'm all for him and Kennedy getting humiliated on the big stage. West is a decent man.
The No Labels group is one that concerns me and how it could influence the outcome.



 
They may have some influence. They have some big corporate pols in their ranks and Yang who does not seem to fit politically. Hogan I don't know much about except he seemed even-keeled during covid.
Here on the rock, we've had several splinter/coalition parties during the first few decades of free elections formed with heavyweights from both main parties. They were flavor of the month in their first elections but couldn't keep the momentum. One did decide a Pres election (in the good direction). I think it will depend on their platform once they get questioned hard to clarify it beyond the bipartisan platitudes. Manchin should be susceptible to corruption allegations to might push away D voters. Lieberman has been out for a while don't know what clout he has as a lobbyist. With Pelosi lined up against them, they may find trouble with donations when it counts.
It's still preseason, the time of eternal optimism.:grinv1:
 


Some room for optimism in these disquieting times.

Pastor John Hagee, who had John McCain distance him following his endorsement in 2008 after he made comments about how God sent Hitler, also had a speaking spot at this rally.


Yes both parties supporting a genocidal regime in solidarity, whoohoo.

And yes it’s amazing how the only anti semites called out by the right are Arabs and college students while musk and actual nazis are given the all clear under “free speech”
 
Is this guy an effective alternative Democratic candidate to Joe Biden?
Polls are showing 44% of Democratic voters are undecided on Joe Biden.
That's a lot of ground for an alternative to grab and run with.


I've been getting a lot of stuff with him due to Yang.

Seems ok but is he going back to Democrat control
 
He's a bit of an unknown, especially on the national stage. Seems personable in interviews, but it looks like he's pissing off a lot of other Dems. Biggest key is what are the big donors doing, where's the D money going?

Dean Phillips' standing on Capitol Hill has all but collapsed

Phillips started out praising Biden and framing his bid in strategic and philosophical terms, but he's since grown willing to go negative — even saying Biden is a threat to democracy.
 

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Is this guy an effective alternative Democratic candidate to Joe Biden?
Polls are showing 44% of Democratic voters are undecided on Joe Biden.
That's a lot of ground for an alternative to grab and run with.



No. Even aside the fact that nobody knows him, his is a candidacy backed by Lincoln Project-esque Republicans. Biden’s problems are caused by the fact that key demographics aren’t supporting him in the way Democrats need: young people, African Americans, Latinos. Nothing indicates this guy has any more appeal to them than Biden does.

It’s a month to Iowa. Anyone hoping for anything other than Biden vs Trump should probably just accept that this election, about the face of democracy, is going to be* between two people who the majority don’t want.

*save for a major health problem causing someone to pull out, which can’t be ruled out in an election between an 82 year old and a 78 year old.
 
No. Even aside the fact that nobody knows him, his is a candidacy backed by Lincoln Project-esque Republicans. Biden’s problems are caused by the fact that key demographics aren’t supporting him in the way Democrats need: young people, African Americans, Latinos. Nothing indicates this guy has any more appeal to them than Biden does.

It’s a month to Iowa. Anyone hoping for anything other than Biden vs Trump should probably just accept that this election, about the face of democracy, is going to be* between two people who the majority don’t want.

*save for a major health problem causing someone to pull out, which can’t be ruled out in an election between an 82 year old and a 78 year old.
It could be chuck grassely
 
I'm not sure the democrats understand that it'll be young voters who decide the election, and it purely be if they actually decide to vote.

Younger people in the US do not like war they don't want war they certainly won't sacrifice themselves for their country and watching the US give all their tax dollars to Israel so they can kill a bunch of innocent women and Children instead of helping Americans who are struggling with the rising cost of living. Will be turning a lot of people off voting.

For all those lesser of two evils people that gap isn't so large anymore.


The new movie that is about to be released called "Civil War" is a scary look into the possible future almost like they are trying to condition the public, the only difference will be it won't be California and Texas teaming up....
I agree mostly with what you are saying except the thing about the “gap isn’t so large anymore”.

Trump will end democracy in the USA. It will be brutal and will split the country forever.
 
I agree mostly with what you are saying except the thing about the “gap isn’t so large anymore”.

Trump will end democracy in the USA. It will be brutal and will split the country forever.
Democracy!? Theirs no democracy there, it’s a capitalist fascist kleptocratic Plutocracy, masquerading as a two party revolving representative democracy .
 
A divisive President who clearly is not quite all there. As close as you can get to a real life Weekend at Bernies. And despite this, he is miles ahead of the VP who has proved what we all suspected, that she is the VP because she is a black woman. She's an example of DEI in action - similar to the Harvard President.

Biden and Trump are compelling evidence of age limits on the Presidency.
 
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A divisive President who clearly is not quite all there. As close as you can get to a real life Weekend at Bernies. And despite this, he is miles ahead of the VP who has proved what we all suspected, that she is the VP because she is a black woman. She's an example of DEI in action - similar to the Harvard President.

Biden and Trump are compelling evidence of age limits on the Presidency.
He is only divisive, because he isn't GOP, and has had a decade long smear campaign against his whole family, that has convinced some fools he is a senile baby eating criminal mastermind.

Like Obama was divisive, because he wasn't American, and divided the races, by not being white and upsetting the "I'm not racist, but" crowd.

Given this is likely to be GOP tactics from here on, be prepared for their never to be a non divisive Democrat frontrunner ever again.

It's actually entertaining to speculate on how the next Dem president will divide the nation.

Satan worshipping lizard man infiltrating humanity while being a puppet of "them". Would be my guess. You know it's true, unless your a sheeple.

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A divisive President who clearly is not quite all there.
I don't know how any president couldn't be "divisive".

I think Biden's gaffes are overblown, and exaggerated by media looking for clicks.

It's actually entertaining to speculate on how the next Dem president will divide the nation.

Satan worshipping lizard man infiltrating humanity while being a puppet of "them". Would be my guess. You know it's true, unless your a sheeple.

Thing is there are political reasons to attack him, but those are too complicated for social media so it's "hur hur he iz senyl!1!!1 kek kek kek"
 
I don't know how any president couldn't be "divisive".

I think Biden's gaffes are overblown, and exaggerated by media looking for clicks.



Thing is there are political reasons to attack him, but those are too complicated for social media so it's "hur hur he iz senyl!1!!1 kek kek kek"
It actually stifles real debate.

The left is unwilling to criticize as it's seem as feeding the trolls, and the tendency is, if someone has been going of on these conspiracy rants, you stop treating them seriously, even if they have something valid to say.

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The left is unwilling to criticize as it's seem as feeding the trolls, and the tendency is, if someone has been going of on these conspiracy rants, you stop treating them seriously, even if they have something valid to say.
I see plenty of lefty YouTubers hanging shit on Biden's track record on worker relations, support of Israel and other things.
 

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