Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Bloods86]

In principle, Yes, I do.
They were the better candidate because they won.

Some luck comes into it as there always is when there is a winner and a loser. However elections are zero sum games at the end of the day.

So policies, actions don't matter.

Just whoever wins is better for the country because voters felt that way. And will likely feel differently in coming years, so what is better for the country will be different.

Got it.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So policies, actions don't matter.

Just whoever wins is better for the country because voters felt that way. And will likely feel differently in coming years, so what is better for the country will be different.

Got it.

Good. Not that hard, is it.

 

[MPMonkeys]

"Woke" is an adjective that means being aware of and attentive to important societal issues, especially those related to racial and social justice. So if people are voting against woke, it's pure selfishness. As is the want to keep out people less fortunate than us from other countries, when we have easily enough wealth and resources to help there lives bet better and have our culture enriched by them.

Again, that's just your definition and opinion.
Most people these days have a negative definition of what 'woke' is but then again I mix with real people and not rich snobs in the inner cities.

 

[bourbons]

Whatever.

Compelling, evidence-backed rebuttal here

I note you've just dismissed someone else's argument as minority opinion as well, too funny dude.

Just for shits and giggles, what in your opinion were the 3 most woke things Harris campaigned on?

 

[faible]

So what?
Of course they attach themselves to someone. Mind control doesn't exist yet.
That does not mean the attachee supports the attacher.

I'm sure there are terrible criminals who follow Hawthorn. Does that mean Hawthorn the club is a mirror of that person.

Trump regularly dog whistles to the white nationalist crowd. It's a thing, has been for a long time now. He constantly attacks people of colour and immigrants. Why do you think he's so appealing to white nationalists?

Why do Trump supporters pretend so hard they don't know this stuff. I'd respect it a lot more if you at least admitted it.

 

[Bloods86]

Good. Not that hard, is it.

It's a struggle to think in such a simple-minded manner for some of us.

 

[bourbons]

They just don't know what's good for them, do they?

Not on available evidence, no.

Republicans favoured Kamala Harris's policies in blind polling

Kamala Harris’s policies were preferred by Republicans to Donald Trump's in blind polling carried out ahead of the election.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

Or rather they do, but are just unable to break with their tribalism/partisanism/propaganda

 

[Bloods86]

Again, that's just your definition and opinion.
Most people these days have a negative definition of what 'woke' is but then again I mix with real people and not rich snobs in the inner cities.

Most people struggle to define what woke is, full stop.

It's now a blanket term for stuff that people don't like and they want to maximise negative associations people will have.

 

[Royces Hart]

Trump regularly dog whistles to the white nationalist crowd. It's a thing, has been for a long time now. He constantly attacks people of colour and immigrants. Why do you think he's so appealing to white nationalists?

Why do Trump supporters pretend so hard they don't know this stuff. I'd respect it a lot more if you at least admitted it.

Who cares, white supremacists have to support someone!

 

[CD Xbow]

Aaarh - the good old leftist snobbery.
They just don't know what's good for them, do they?

Name calling doesn't change the fact they have a dreadful health care system and a violent society full of guns with all the death and destruction this entails. In both cases, many of them believe these are good things. Like I said they have been conned, repeatedly. No surprise Don does well, he is, after all the worlds greatest conman.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Your position is contradictory.

You've said these types of endorsements were part of what made the election un-winnable for Trump.

You've said that these types of endorsements don't help.

You've also ignored a question, unsurprisingly, as to why you thought these types of endorsements made elections un-winnable for the opposition, based on historical precedent, when it shows that results go either way, regardless of these types of endorsements.

Then again, maybe "simple" is the right word.

I honestly wouldn't engage. It's clear you're up against a joke poster - they are not serious, just a wind up.

 

[Not Important]

and convicted felon is only part of it.

 

[treeebeard]

Again, that's just your definition and opinion.
Most people these days have a negative definition of what 'woke' is but then again I mix with real people and not rich snobs in the inner cities.

No, that's just your opinion. Some people have tried to misappropriate it though. FYI, most inner city rich snobs are RW voters.

 

[Bloods86]

No, that's just your opinion. Some people have tried to misappropriate it though. FYI, most inner city rich snobs are RW voters.

Often the richest people aren't even in the innermost suburbs or the actual city centre either. There might be plenty of younger progressive types with decent paying jobs or some rich folks living in higher density, but there's plenty of affluent outer suburbs.

Not that I'd ever expect accuracy/consistency from some of the posters on here.

Hilarious trying to position the Dems as the party for the rich, in comparison to Republicans.

 

[Xtreme]

As I said. It was less a fluke than you think. Read up on him.

It was a fluke
Without the others falling over he would have been at the back of the pack.

 

[faible]

Without the others falling over he would have been at the back of the pack.

Yes, and why do you think he didn't fall over when everyone else did?

Have you read up yet about his 1994 and 1998 Olympics when he was in his prime and considered a medal contender?

 

[zumahawk]

Again, that's just your definition and opinion.
Most people these days have a negative definition of what 'woke' is but then again I mix with real people and not rich snobs in the inner cities.

'Most' people are wrong then. As a result of the far right agenda 'woke' as a negative term has gained popularity. I'm a real person too and not an inner city snob.

 

[MPMonkeys]

No, that's just your opinion. Some people have tried to misappropriate it though. FYI, most inner city rich snobs are RW voters.

You're in dreamland. Nearly all the inner city seats are held by Greens and their cousins the Teals.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Name calling doesn't change the fact they have a dreadful health care system and a violent society full of guns with all the death and destruction this entails. In both cases, many of them believe these are good things. Like I said they have been conned, repeatedly. No surprise Don does well, he is, after all the worlds greatest conman.

But Old Mate has already explained that the better candidate won because enough American voters feel they don't have a dreadful care system and enough American voters feel they don't have a violent society full of guns.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Often the richest people aren't even in the innermost suburbs or the actual city centre either. There might be plenty of younger progressive types with decent paying jobs or some rich folks living in higher density, but there's plenty of affluent outer suburbs.

Not that I'd ever expect accuracy/consistency from some of the posters on here.

Hilarious trying to position the Dems as the party for the rich, in comparison to Republicans.

Thats exactly how they have positioned themselves. If you have a look at some of the post mortems, one of the main issues is they have drifted away from the working class to so called elites.

 

[bourbons]

So MPMonkeys, any danger of outlining the 3 most woke things Harris campaigned on in your view?

 

[Bloods86]

Thats exactly how they have positioned themselves. If you have a look at some of the post mortems, one of the main issues is they have drifted away from the working class to so called elites.

Yes and no, at least not in comparison to Republicans.

Again, perception is not necessarily reality.

Some post mortems from Dems or further left have rightly identified that they haven't done enough for the working class, but this isn't the same as conceding that the Republicans are better on this. They are certainly not. The Dems need to do more, to create a bigger gap with Republicans, and work out how to cut through and sell what they are doing.

Maybe Republicans had more effective messaging that was believed (easier to do when global inflation has been high) and have successfully painted themselves as for the battlers, with Dems for the elites, but this is not reflected in policy or actions.

 

[treeebeard]

You're in dreamland. Nearly all the inner city seats are held by Greens and their cousins the Teals.

Large amounts of greens voters are millenials. Not sure if you know, but they aren't rich snobs.

 

[MPMonkeys]

So MPMonkeys, any danger of outlining the 3 most woke things Harris campaigned on in your view?

You obviously have trouble reading.
I said the three main issues that voters were concerned about and which led them to voting for Trump were (in order):

1. They felt they were worse off under Biden and Harris did not inspire confidence that things would improve
2. Illegal immigrants
3. The creep of wokeness into their every day lives

Nothing to do with campaigning.

You can block your ears and pretend the above isn't true. That's your prerogative.

There are a myriad of articles. I've already posted a link. I'm not going to waste my time giving you more.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Large amounts of greens voters are millenials. Not sure if you know, but they aren't rich snobs.

My experience of Greens voters is different.
Humourless, arrogant, puritannical scolds.