Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Chicago1]

I do not object to us taking over Canada, as long as eating poutine won't be mandatory for citizens. My cardiologist would not approve.

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[Bloods86]

I do not object to us taking over Canada, as long as eating poutine won't be mandatory for citizens. My cardiologist would not approve.

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As long as Canadians can vote for the electoral college, have proportionate house reps and 2 senate seats, it would be beneficial for the US and the world (maybe not Canadians).

Would backfire on Republicans though.

 

[Festerz]

In our Constitution it says we can claim New Zealand as a state whenever we like, I'd be horrified if we ever actually did it.

Good story but not true.

Section 6 of the Constitution (definitions) mentions New Zealand as it, together with Qld, NSW, Vic, Tas, SA and WA were all colonies of the UK prior to the Constitution being settled. But NZ was not interested in participating choosing to go on its own path to nationhood.

The theoretical option to join rests with NZ and is still there. BUT there is absolutely no power in the Constitution giving the Commonwealth of Australia the power to 'claim' NZ. S121 merely outlines the circumstances of admitting NZ or other 'new states' could be admitted if they chose to do so.

 

[magpie_marty]

Why are people so blase about a direct threat to seize land from a sovereign nation?? This isn't normal, this isn't good "business" this is highly concerning.

In our Constitution it says we can claim New Zealand as a state whenever we like, I'd be horrified if we ever actually did it.

Not True.

 

[magpie_marty]

As long as Canadians can vote for the electoral college, have proportionate house reps and 2 senate seats, it would be beneficial for the US and the world (maybe not Canadians).

Would backfire on Republicans though.

This has people on Breitbart and The Gate Way Pundit up in arms,
They agree with taking over Greenland and Canada but how dare they vote and get membership in the house and senate.

 

[Festerz]

As Trump story telling goes into hyperdrive in the lead up to his inauguration, it's worth remembering that his 'mandate', while strong in electoral college terms, is razor thin in terms of the US population who were eligible to vote.

 

[Vindicater]

In our Constitution it says we can claim New Zealand as a state whenever we like, I'd be horrified if we ever actually did it.

 

[Randomizor]

Not True.

It’s 2025, the truth no long matters to anyone

 

[Festerz]

It’s 2025, the truth no long matters to anyone

To be fair to the OP, back in the dark ages before the Internet and stuff, I remember my Uni Lecturer asking a first year class question that went something like...

'The Australian Constitution gives our government the power to co-opt NZ as an Australian state...why don't they'?

Took a few responses before the lecturer admitted he made the proposition up - point being to check assumptions or something. Still sticks with me which is why I responded to the post.

While it's far easier to check for truth in 2025 it's also and just as easy to get untruths. False assumptions, falsely verified.

My point being - I'm convinced most people are genuinely concerned with seeking facts and the truth but the path to find it is much harder than it once was. Charlatans like Trump are the beneficiaries. His speech today was full of mistruths but his supporters are never going to believe those who point them out - relying instead on their own 'trusted sources'.

 

[TheSunGod]

Trump doesn't do the long game.

His short game is f**ked as well.

 

[magpie_marty]

Amazing not really Trump jr Traveled to Greenland on Trump Force One .
I Imagine he asked daddy hey can I borrow the plane please.

Funny thing is Jr could not spend a whole day there.

Also who paid for the trip no doubt money from the Cult.

 

[jatz14]

Nobody really thought he'd fix the price of eggs

It's seems a lot of people who voted for him, don't appear to think he would do the things he said he would do, in order to get him to vote for him.

Waiting for all the people on line saying, I voted for him because I just knew he was going to take Greenland from Denmark, invade Panama and Annex Canada.

I never thought he would lower prices, fix the economy or stop illegal migrants.

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[Nuggs Bunny]

It's seems a lot of people who voted for him, don't appear to think he would do the things he said he would do, in order to get him to vote for him.

Waiting for all the people on line saying, I voted for him because I just knew he was going to take Greenland from Denmark, invade Panama and Annex Canada.

I never thought he would lower prices, fix the economy or stop illegal migrants.

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I think a lot of people voted for him because they believed he'd get rid of the immigrants and make it okay to punch down on gay and trans people again. Talking about cost of living gives you a smarter reason to hide behind your real motives.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Today, the threat doesn’t come from market fundamentalists, but rather proto-fascism. The direction of travel is towards the far right, and an increasingly radicalised far right at that. Buttressing their support, in particular, is backlash against various minorities, not least migrants.”

The left needs to stand its ground to survive - and to win

History shows us that giving ground to your opponents doesn't work: you need to stand firm, however difficult the circumstances

www.owenjones.news

Helluva lot to agree with in that article.

In particular that we on the left need to take a leaf out of the book of the right - the right don’t give up. Everyone hates them but they just keep plugging away. That’s why they are in the ascendancy in so many respects right now. We need to be equally dogged.

And this:

“What the left needs to do now is stand its ground. It needs to pick battles. It needs to particularly focus on picking battles which go with the grain of public opinion on economic justice. That means picking fights with deeply unpopular elites.”

This:

“That doesn’t mean abandoning our defence of minorities - far from it. It’s simply to say that if those fights are our central focus, then we will lose and minorities will suffer as a consequence.”

I have been banging on about this for years. I am not anti-minorities. But it’s simply a fact of life that we live in a majoritarian system. We have to focus on the issues that most affect the majority.

Finally this:

“We focus our energy on the battle lines the right do not want, forcing them to fight on our terrain. If voters go to polling stations thinking about migrants, rather than tax dodging poverty paying bosses, we are likely to lose.”

Yes, yes, YES.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

This is why America is ****ed.

 

[troybe]

If the Canadian border is an artificially drawn line, wouldn’t that make the Mexican border the same. So what’s he on about?

 

[magpie_marty]

Amazing one hour interview today with the DonOld.
Just going to leave this here but a funny read hope its not pay walled.

Donald Trump spoke for an hour. We fact-checked every word

The US President-elect spoke about seizing Greenland, windmills driving whales crazy, and bringing Canada into the US. We break down the key claims from his speech.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Cyber_punk]

If the Canadian border is an artificially drawn line, wouldn’t that make the Mexican border the same. So what’s he on about?

Canadians aren't as brown so it doesn't count.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If the Canadian border is an artificially drawn line, wouldn’t that make the Mexican border the same. So what’s he on about?

You’re expecting internal logic from Emperor Trump?

 

[troybe]

You’re expecting internal logic from Emperor Trump?

His mind is a combination of Pan’s Labyrinth and Charlie Day’s Bird Law whiteboard

 

[Festerz]

In our Constitution it says we can claim New Zealand as a state whenever we like, I'd be horrified if we ever actually did it.

 

[Festerz]

Tell em' 'I don't hold a hose, mate!'. It worked a treat for me.

 

[DaTBird187]

The Maga people believed as Trump promised he would lower the price of grocery's.

And invading Greenland won’t deliver that?

 

[Aussie in exile]

This is why America is ****ed.

100% and I think I'm right in saying that this is why the UK wouldn't let Fox set up their own channel over there and the Tory government stopped.
He is one of many cranks on Fox news

 

[NSWCROW]

Another one for the " It's ok when conservatives do it " file