Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Bloods86]

Of course he would have been involved in that segment being included but he wasn't making any personal political statements.

Unlike other late night talk show hosts you wouldn't know whether Conan was on the Democrats side or the Republicans side.

If you think that wasn't reflective of Conan himself, I don't know what to tell you.

I think you mistake the mocking of bad things, and being on the side of the people as say Kimmel has done with healthcare, as being pro Democrat.

 

[Mick F]

Even in this scenario, I have to slightly disagree with the comparison. Proper implementation of DEI in this situation would still be selecting the most suitable player/candidate, or the player with the most upside in a footy scenario.

Part of the misunderstanding is the belief that DEI candidates are selected over more qualified or suitable people just because they fit the criteria or help fill a quota.

A more apt comparison would be that the recruitment department previously ONLY looked at players coming through elite pathways or only private school teams. A DEI program would be put in place to expand the recruiting pool to different regions, looking for qualified players that would improve your team that otherwise would never be considered.

I think you may not understand basic recruitment and staffing concepts.

WTF is this: ‘Proper implementation of DEI in this situation WOULD still BE SELECTING the most suitable player/candidate.’??? EEO or DEI, which stem from the principles of ‘natural justice’, is not about picking the unsuitable candidate - that is the outcome of nepotism and corruption.

 

[Blue1980]

Amazing how many people voted against their self interest. Especially that Trump wasn't exactly hiding these policies ( he pretty much was yelling it from the roof top).

They somehow had the entitlement to think these policies applied to everybody else, but not to them. Rules for thee, not for me.

A lot of people who support Trump seem him as a harmless oaf, who is entertaining and fun.

They also project what they want of him onto him. It's like a choose your own adventure story, choose to only believe the stuff you like from Trump and assume the stuff you don't like is him just "joking" or "owning the libs".

 

[Blue1980]

bernie never disappoints. what a president he would make.

I dont give a shit how old bernie is, as long as he has his mental facilties intact he should run for pres. He is older than Biden, but is as with it as he has ever been.

 

[Carringbush2010]

not sure what number that's referring too, but i'm referring to people who actually voted, specifically the popular vote.

Which proves he isn't popular and doesn't prove that 'America voted for him' Which you've previously stated.

Reality is that less than a 3rd of population voted for him, and that's the point.

 

[Nikita Blue]

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[Chicago1]

Trump criticizes ‘nasty’ bishop who made pro-immigrant and LGBTQ+ plea

Mariann Edgar Budde’s inaugural prayer service sermon draws fury from conservatives as others praise her ‘courage’

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She sounds like a really decent human being. In stark contrast to Trump and his lickspittles.

She is. As I said in an earlier post, I watch Sunday services every week live(3am Mon. morning our time) from the Cathedral. Bishop Budde isn't there often, but the Dean and canons are fantastic. I only wish that I had converted to the Episcopal Church when I was in the states. The Washington National Cathedral is a very open, welcoming community, unlike so many of the MAGA supporters and their denominations.

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[HirdsTheWord]

Which proves he isn't popular and doesn't prove that 'America voted for him' Which you've previously stated.

Reality is that less than a 3rd of population voted for him, and that's the point.

I mean yeah, but like i said it was said was in the context of those that actually voted........he is the popular choice for voters, that's why it's called the popular vote?

Suggesting i meant he is the most popular choice amongst Americans, even those that didn't vote is bizarre as I'm not sure what the relevance is of people who didn't bother voting at all?

If you actually had mandatory voting like we have in Australia, i think democrats would win easily.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Yep. Haven't time to look it up right now, but I believe Trump's share of registered voters was something like 31.5% while Harris was 30.5%.

And this disproves the 'America voted for him', giving the impression he was popular winner.

He isn't popular among the electorate at all. Not even a 3rd.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Also that they cosplay as Christians and when they are challenged, the veil falls away quickly.

They just take the bits they agree with and ignore the bits they don't.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I mean yeah, but like i said it was said was in the context of those that actually voted........he is the popular choice for voters, that's why it's called the popular vote?

Suggesting i meant he is the most popular choice amongst Americans, even those that didn't vote is bizarre as I'm not sure what the relevance is of people who didn't bother voting at all?

Biden was the popular choice in 2020, Trump was in 2024...thats just a fact?

Guess it shouldn't be called the popular vote then, gives the wrong impression

 

[Hojuman]

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Guess it shouldn't be called the popular vote then, gives the wrong impression

well i dunno what to tell ya - that's what it is. Generally the person who wins the pop vote also wins the election BUT The popular vote in itself is pretty irrelevant in a way as the vote is based on the EC. Which can be won, even if you dont win the popular vote. Hilary had a pretty big lead on trump in 2016 in the popular vote, and lost.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Triumph isn't Conan, that's Robert Smigel, I was referring to Conan's opening monologues which aren't political like other hosts.

 

[Bloods86]

I mean yeah, but like i said it was said was in the context of those that actually voted........he is the popular choice for voters, that's why it's called the popular vote?

Suggesting i meant he is the most popular choice amongst Americans, even those that didn't vote is bizarre as I'm not sure what the relevance is of people who didn't bother voting at all?

If you actually had mandatory voting like we have in Australia, i think democrats would win easily.

In the context of those who voted, Trump still got less than 50%, same with Clinton in 2016. They were just more popular than the main opponent (and everyone else).

Biden did get over 50% of votes though.

 

[Kangas_11]

I think you may not understand basic recruitment and staffing concepts.

WTF is this: ‘Proper implementation of DEI in this situation WOULD still BE SELECTING the most suitable player/candidate.’??? EEO or DEI, which stem from the principles of ‘natural justice’, is not about picking the unsuitable candidate - that is the outcome of nepotism and corruption.

Weirdly aggressive, but I think we're arguing the same thing? My main point is that DEI programs aren't in place to prevent qualified non-DEI candidates from getting jobs, but to open the field to even more qualified people that previously wouldn't be considered due to their gender/race/sexuality. With an added note that DEI programs promote the benefits of having a diverse culture in the workplace.

Not sure where you pulled nepotism and corruption from in my post, but my apologies if that's how it read.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Even in this scenario, I have to slightly disagree with the comparison. Proper implementation of DEI in this situation would still be selecting the most suitable player/candidate, or the player with the most upside in a footy scenario.

Part of the misunderstanding is the belief that DEI candidates are selected over more qualified or suitable people just because they fit the criteria or help fill a quota.

A more apt comparison would be that the recruitment department previously ONLY looked at players coming through elite pathways or only private school teams. A DEI program would be put in place to expand the recruiting pool to different regions, looking for qualified players that would improve your team that otherwise would never be considered.

this is very well said, and exactly how i view DEI also

 

[Paul Kersey]

bernie never disappoints. what a president he would make.

Yeah that is very well delivered. Legit shocks me that anyone save for the mega wealthy think Trump’s policies will improve their life.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Yeah that is very well delivered. Legit shocks me that anyone save for the mega wealthy think Trump’s policies will improve their life.

I think most of them deep down know he won't.

He will make life worse for their political opponents though, which appeals to them.

'If we are miserable, you will be too '

Crabs in a bucket.

 

[Cooldude]

Yeah that is very well delivered. Legit shocks me that anyone save for the mega wealthy think Trump’s policies will improve their life.

It has never been about making anyone's lives better, it's about punching down and making someone's lives worse to feel some psychotic catharsis from it.

The whole "woke" thing is a campaign against decency, they hate decent measures that make other minorities' lives better, it's about tearing down the moral fabric of society, deregulate safeguard legislations and allow for more discrimination, criminal activity and profiteering. Just standard fascist tactics

 

[peetoo]

Anyone can see where is is really going. Give them the ability to fire whoever they want for any tenuous reason, and make sure they only people employed are white males and accuse any female or minority as being a DEI hire.

I’d delet that email,or report it as radical spam

 

[60 Yards Out]

As in Henry II's exclamation: "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"

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A strikingly apt analogy. If I may extend it… the disturbing consequence of Henry’s exclamation was that Becket was murdered in his quarters at Canterbury Cathedral by a band of knights who decided to act upon what they perceived to be the King’s wishes.
I know you know this— just thought it was pertinent to your point, even acknowledging that you might not have intended to push the point as far as I have.
Some of Trump’s supporters are mad enough to do anything.
The attack on Paul Pelosi comes to mind.

 

[Satan]

A strikingly apt analogy. If I may extend it… the disturbing consequence of Henry’s exclamation was that Becket was murdered in his quarters at Canterbury Cathedral by a band of knights who decided to act upon what they perceived to be the King’s wishes.
I know you know this— just thought it was pertinent to your point, even acknowledging that you might not have intended to push the point as far as I have.
Some of Trump’s supporters are mad enough to do anything.
The name Paul Pelosi comes to mind.

A likely target again

 

[Spearman]

This is such a fantastic post.

Anti-DEI sentiment is at best just a basic lack of understanding or at worst thinly veiled prejudice.

But it works so well for the Republicans in the US because it's an easy target for riling up their predominantly straight white base.

Like so many of their culture war fronts, there is only a razor-thin understanding of the subject, or its relationship with reality. Like the recent sketch about Fox morons thinking that teachers no longer had to know how to read. DEI and similar programs, was never about hiring unqualified applicants. So they take a sliver of advantage to qualified minorities and turn it into a 'war on whites'. They've been following this playbook for decades.

 

[Spearman]

there was a some serious venom directed to her on twitter.. even from supposed Jesus loving Christians.

Well there are Christians, and there are 'Christians'.