Traded Adam Cerra traded to Carlton for pick #6 and F3

[Morro]

I reckon we end up with a first rounder circa pick 12 and an early 2nd rounder which I think would be a fair trade.

2 firsts for a kid who has not set the world on fire, but simply been a good mid with potential is over paying IMO.

 

[DragoDelph]

The Victorian powerhouse club "into" Dockers midfielder Adam Cerra

“I’m hearing that they’re targeting him."

www.sen.com.au

It's Sumich, saying nothing new.

No-one in WA listens to him anymore, but he seems to have the East still suckered in.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

Sumich is an unreliable source. He was claiming a month ago that Sean Darcy wanted to go to Geelong; apparently Sean Darcy when he found out had to be held down so they could finish the rub-down.

 

[tiger_tough]

What's Freo fans thoughts? Staying or going?

I don't see how we fit him in the cap.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

What's Freo fans thoughts? Staying or going?

I don't see how we fit him in the cap.

More likely to stay. Argument is over contract length; Freo want four years and Cerra wants two.

 

[La Dispute]

More likely to stay. Argument is over contract length; Freo want four years and Cerra wants two.

Reckon Freo will end up re-signing him for a couple of years. Cerra gets a decent contract, and Freo get a couple more years to push up the ladder and make a stronger case to keep him long term.

The Tigers are probably the biggest obstacle, if they've got cap room. Huge temptation to head over while they're still in their window.

Carlton/Essendon/Hawthorn/North will all have a crack, but there's question marks over all, and none are going to be pay him above what he'd expect from Freo.

 

[tiger_tough]

More likely to stay. Argument is over contract length; Freo want four years and Cerra wants two.

That's a bit of a worry in itself isn't it? Not often the player wants less years.

 

[Purple_Turtle]

That's a bit of a worry in itself isn't it? Not often the player wants less years.

Yep.

There's a benign explanation that Cerra simply thinks he can improve over the next two years to the point where he's willing to gamble being worth a far bigger contract in the future. (If I recall it happened with Cerra and Brayshaw when they were drafted; Brayshaw immediately extended during his first preseason and Cerra held off for a while to up his value.)

But it also keeps his options open to move interstate and is going to create a recurring issue in the media, so Freo would like to avoid that.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

The Victorian powerhouse club "into" Dockers midfielder Adam Cerra

“I’m hearing that they’re targeting him."

www.sen.com.au

My favourite part of the "article"

"Sumich urged Fremantle not to ask for an excessive amount in a trade if Cerra does signal his intention to leave the club and head home.

He said the Dockers couldn’t afford to let their emotions dictate trade demands, instead saying they’d be better off negotiating a deal that benefited them in the longer term.

“If Richmond is targeting (Adam) Cerra and he’s out of contract, you have to be careful,” he said.

“At the end of the day they’ll ask for a lot, but Cerra can go into the pre-season draft if they can’t get the deal done.

“As much as Fremantle should probably earn a top 10 pick out of (a trade) and maybe a rotation of a second rounder, they wouldn’t want to go over the top so they might not get anything".

Seriously this guy is a buffoon. How is Cerra gonna walk to Richmond in the PSD? Every time this bloke opens his mouth Excrement is all that comes out.

 

[Morro]

Yep.

There's a benign explanation that Cerra simply thinks he can improve over the next two years to the point where he's willing to gamble being worth a far bigger contract in the future. (If I recall it happened with Cerra and Brayshaw when they were drafted; Brayshaw immediately extended during his first preseason and Cerra held off for a while to up his value.)

But it also keeps his options open to move interstate and is going to create a recurring issue in the media, so Freo would like to avoid that.

have to admire the self belief.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

What's Freo fans thoughts? Staying or going?

I don't see how we fit him in the cap.

In my opinion, he hasn't yet made up his mind. I feel like he loves the footy club but his heart lies back in Melbourne. Not to say he hasn't bought into what we are building, but he has big family ties back in Melbourne and I think that will eventually draw him back home. Whether its this year, 2 years or whatever I don't think he ends his career a Docker.

 

[Coach_Required]

Would love it if we could get him, makes perfect sense. Cotchin must be closer to retirement than most people think, probably realises his body has caught up to him and he has achieved what he can from the game.

 

[tiger_tough]

My favourite part of the "article"

"Sumich urged Fremantle not to ask for an excessive amount in a trade if Cerra does signal his intention to leave the club and head home.

He said the Dockers couldn’t afford to let their emotions dictate trade demands, instead saying they’d be better off negotiating a deal that benefited them in the longer term.

“If Richmond is targeting (Adam) Cerra and he’s out of contract, you have to be careful,” he said.

“At the end of the day they’ll ask for a lot, but Cerra can go into the pre-season draft if they can’t get the deal done.

“As much as Fremantle should probably earn a top 10 pick out of (a trade) and maybe a rotation of a second rounder, they wouldn’t want to go over the top so they might not get anything".

Seriously this guy is a buffoon. How is Cerra gonna walk to Richmond in the PSD? Every time this bloke opens his mouth Excrement is all that comes out.

Yep I thought it was a strange angle when I read it too. Only way PSD would ever come into it is if he was desperate to get back to Melbourne and Freo refused to trade him. In which case he's go to North anyway and you'd rather be homesick than go to north

 

[tiger_tough]

In my opinion, he hasn't yet made up his mind. I feel like he loves the footy club but his heart lies back in Melbourne. Not to say he hasn't bought into what we are building, but he has big family ties back in Melbourne and I think that will eventually draw him back home. Whether its this year, 2 years or whatever I don't think he ends his career a Docker.

Freo aren't likely to win a flag in two years but the players they'd be able to draft with the picks they could get for him this year would be ready to go next time Freo will be ready to challenge. Wouldn't you prefer that if he's going to leave anyway? Clubs these days seem to be more inclined to ship players off that aren't fully invested.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Freo aren't likely to win a flag in two years but the players they'd be able to draft with the picks they could get for him this year would be ready to go next time Freo will be ready to challenge. Wouldn't you prefer that if he's going to leave anyway? Clubs these days seem to be more inclined to ship players off that aren't fully invested.

Tis a point for discussion, people have different views, some would prefer we backed ourselves in to keep, others (like me), would prefer we didnt just give in to whatever he wants and need a 4 year commitment. There are valid arguments both ways

 

[tiger_tough]

Tis a point for discussion, people have different views, some would prefer we backed ourselves in to keep, others (like me), would prefer we didnt just give in to whatever he wants and need a 4 year commitment. There are valid arguments both ways

Yeah fair enough. Swans backep themselves in with Papley and it looks like he'll stay put now but for every Papley there is a Fantasia. We shall see. Freo seems like a good place to be at these days.

 

[Ants]

Yeah fair enough. Swans backep themselves in with Papley and it looks like he'll stay put now but for every Papley there is a Fantasia. We shall see. Freo seems like a good place to be at these days.

Swans have form on that. They did the same with O'Keefe. But a key difference with Papley was he was still contracted. Harder to do when they're out of contract.

 

[RanaNaved]

Sumich.........he's on another planet

 

[RonnieRaven]

I reckon we end up with a first rounder circa pick 12 and an early 2nd rounder which I think would be a fair trade.

2 firsts for a kid who has not set the world on fire, but simply been a good mid with potential is over paying IMO.

You do realise dusty had no individual honours in an average team in his first 5 years.
cerra is halfway through his 4th year.
Cerra was pick 5 and looking every bit of that.
Even an an unknown pick 5 will get you 2 late first in a pick swap.
The uneducated talk down of cerra is funny

 

[tiger_tough]

You do realise dusty had no individual honours in an average team in his first 5 years.
cerra is halfway through his 4th year.
Cerra was pick 5 and looking every bit of that.
Even an an unknown pick 5 will get you 2 late first in a pick swap.
The uneducated talk down of cerra is funny

Not sure what the relevance of dusty is? It's a stretch to say Cerra will equal what Dusty has become.

Not sure two late firsts would get you pick 5 either and again not sure of the relevance. We're tallking about a player who may want to return home and is without contract.

Pick 12 and an early 2nd would be absolute best case for Freo I'd have thought and around pick 5 equivalent anyway. Don't reckon we'd get that for Bolton if he wanted to go home and Bolton probably has him covered this year.

 

[Ants]

You do realise dusty had no individual honours in an average team in his first 5 years.
cerra is halfway through his 4th year.
Cerra was pick 5 and looking every bit of that.
Even an an unknown pick 5 will get you 2 late first in a pick swap.
The uneducated talk down of cerra is funny

Setterfield netted GWS two second round picks didn't he? Schache was pick #2 and cost a second and third when he left after two seasons. Aish was pick #7 and got two seconds when he left after two years. Scrimshaw got a third round pick upgrade after two seasons. Ebert was a pick #13 and was traded for a 2nd and a 3rd after four seasons. Sydney accepted a teens pick for Mitchell.

I think he's worth more than a top 10 pick right now. I think that's all you'd be able to negotiate for.

 

[Morro]

You do realise dusty had no individual honours in an average team in his first 5 years.
cerra is halfway through his 4th year.
Cerra was pick 5 and looking every bit of that.
Even an an unknown pick 5 will get you 2 late first in a pick swap.
The uneducated talk down of cerra is funny

You say alot but none if it is relevant. Dusty was far better than Cerra from day 1 but again no relevance.

I stand by Cerras current value being circa pick 12 and an early 2nd if thats what we had.

2 first rounders are reserved for players playig far better than Cerra is

 

[Daka]

Carlton would be offering more than Richmond, if he does go you would think we aren't the favourites.

I know he does barrack for us as a kid but that doesn't mean anything.

 

[Dockeroo]

You say alot but none if it is relevant. Dusty was far better than Cerra from day 1 but again no relevance.

I stand by Cerras current value being circa pick 12 and an early 2nd if thats what we had.

2 first rounders are reserved for players playig far better than Cerra is

The term “two first rounders” means absolutely nothing.
Pick 22 and pick 23 last year were “two first rounders”
The first round ended at pick 26. With bids, compo picks for FA and priority picks for Gold Coast and possibly others, a late first rounder is doing wel to get you the 25th best player in the draft pool.
Pick 2 and pick 4 are also “two first rounders”
Some difference eg? People should talk in specific pick numbers when discussing trades.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

You say alot but none if it is relevant. Dusty was far better than Cerra from day 1 but again no relevance.

I stand by Cerras current value being circa pick 12 and an early 2nd if thats what we had.

2 first rounders are reserved for players playig far better than Cerra is

Pick 6 and pick 7 is two first rounders, pick 12 and pick 18 is also two first rounders, one is worth about 3 times as much as the other. Saying he's not worth "two first rounders" doesnt mean much. I'm confident if you did land him, you wont have a first round pick this year.

His value is closer to that of Treloar from GWS (who was also traded after 4 years), then any of the other players mentioned here