Traded Adam Saad [traded to Carlton with #48 and #78 for #8 and #87]

[Eiffel 65]

Well I suppose everyone is starting trade negotiations with their most ridiculous offers then. What is halfway between two firsts and the pre-season draft?

We'll soon find out.

 

[Bad Seed]

Our best ITK poster.

He's been bang on the money about a lot of things.

Same guy who had the Shiel mail?

 

[bmaurizio]

Dodoro is acting is a buffoon like a usual, all this posturing will come back to haunt this time around, Saad will be OOC soon then the real fun begins.
Jack Martin all over again.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Jack Martin all over again.

Are Carlton actually in a position to structure up a contract like Martin's to get Saad though?

 

[sweethoney]

Are Carlton actually in a position to structure up a contract like Martin's to get Saad though?

I think so.. al depends if they bring anyone else in. Only spent minimum cap space the last 3 years

 

[Skull Face]

Are Carlton actually in a position to structure up a contract like Martin's to get Saad though?

Depends if we get anyone else in the door

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Are Carlton actually in a position to structure up a contract like Martin's to get Saad though?

Don't believe they need to structure anything. My understanding is that clubs only need to match his terms in regards to total length and total dollars, not the specific loading for each year. Happy to be corrected.
If he's stated that he only wants Carlton and won't meet with other clubs or have medicals, who would be mental enough to take a chance on a guy for 5 years at $650k, in the hopes that he will turn up and play to the best of his abilities?
People claimed the Gold Coast and Melbourne would both take Martin if he went to the PSD.
The PSD is not Carlton's preferred method of acquiring Saad (wasn't for Martin either). It's their counter to Dodoro's ridiculous demands.
We will offer a fair trade.

 

[Brutalitops]

Don't believe they need to structure anything. My understanding is that clubs only need to match his terms in regards to total length and total dollars, not the specific loading for each year. Happy to be corrected.
If he's stated that he only wants Carlton and won't meet with other clubs or have medicals, who would be mental enough to take a chance on a guy for 5 years at $650k, in the hopes that he will turn up and play to the best of his abilities?
People claimed the Gold Coast and Melbourne would both take Martin if he went to the PSD.
The PSD is not Carlton's preferred method of acquiring Saad (wasn't for Martin either). It's their counter to Dodoro's ridiculous demands.
We will offer a fair trade.

Clubs need to match years and loading.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Clubs need to match years and loading.

Interesting. Do you know of a link to this anywhere?
I could only find this, which is a little vague on the loading side of things, but could be read in support of my original comment.

 

[Gingerbread man]

If it breaks down that badly, better off using the ND like Luke Ball did
less chance a club uses a first round pick , than a free hit in the PSD

And draft him with pick 7

 

[Brutalitops]

Interesting. Do you know of a link to this anywhere?
I could only find this, which is a little vague on the loading side of things, but could be read in support of my original comment.
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Laid out in 6.3 (b). "Football payments" means contract structure. Youve got the watered down version. Edit: actually youre looking at the Free Agency clauses

 

[Monkey King]

Opening up with a ridiculous proposal can piss off the other party and immediately make negotiations tense.

Yup. Nothing bad about opening with an anchor gambit, but something patently ridiculous can easily set things down the wrong path.

 

[TheKITC]

And draft him with pick 7

I doubt it would come to that and would not like Carlton to go down this path, but if negotiations break down and Saad refuses to meet with other clubs or consent to his medical records being shared like has been reported, I would wager good money he would make it to Carlton's Pick 27 (or whatever number it ended up being).

I am still yet to hear any good reason from anyone at all why Carlton would be the club to pay the biggest price ever paid for anyone that's remotely comparable to Saad in anyway. Pick 7 is absolutely massive overs for an OoC, 26 year old, HBFer - no matter which way you slice it. IMO, there is zero good reason for us to even consider trading it to Essendon for Saad. If we used 7 to split into other picks, I could understand that. If we entertain the idea of 7 for Saad + something we need to rethink our list management and recruiting team.

Again, yet to hear a compelling reason why it needs to be included in a direct trade for him. Unless Essendon can get their hands on a another good pick, I don't see how or why 7 would be on the table in any fashion. I've asked the question in here and provided evidence of previous comparable trades done in the past and nobody has been able to explain why it makes sense to include such a pick in any trade for the uncontracted Saad...

 

[bmaurizio]

I doubt it would come to that and would not like Carlton to go down this path, but if negotiations break down and Saad refuses to meet with other clubs or consent to his medical records being shared like has been reported, I would wager good money he would make it to Carlton's Pick 27 (or whatever number it ended up being).

I am still yet to hear any good reason from anyone at all why Carlton would be the club to pay the biggest price ever paid for anyone that's remotely comparable to Saad in anyway. Pick 7 is absolutely massive overs for an OoC, 26 year old, HBFer - no matter which way you slice it. IMO, there is zero good reason for us to even consider trading it to Essendon for Saad. If we used 7 to split into other picks, I could understand that. If we entertain the idea of 7 for Saad + something we need to rethink our list management and recruiting team.

Again, yet to hear a compelling reason why it needs to be included in a direct trade for him. Unless Essendon can get their hands on a another good pick, I don't see how or why 7 would be on the table in any fashion. I've asked the question in here and provided evidence of previous comparable trades done in the past and nobody has been able to explain why it makes sense to include such a pick in any trade for the uncontracted Saad...

Agree totally, just because Dodoro is suddenly inspired, demands pick7 and more or some other nonsense to a quell the EFC ferals , does not make it fair value In this trade.
Our 2nd rounder and a sweetener is a fair value for a 27year old , when next he pulls on a Bagger jumper.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I doubt it would come to that and would not like Carlton to go down this path, but if negotiations break down and Saad refuses to meet with other clubs or consent to his medical records being shared like has been reported, I would wager good money he would make it to Carlton's Pick 27 (or whatever number it ended up being).

I am still yet to hear any good reason from anyone at all why Carlton would be the club to pay the biggest price ever paid for anyone that's remotely comparable to Saad in anyway. Pick 7 is absolutely massive overs for an OoC, 26 year old, HBFer - no matter which way you slice it. IMO, there is zero good reason for us to even consider trading it to Essendon for Saad. If we used 7 to split into other picks, I could understand that. If we entertain the idea of 7 for Saad + something we need to rethink our list management and recruiting team.

Again, yet to hear a compelling reason why it needs to be included in a direct trade for him. Unless Essendon can get their hands on a another good pick, I don't see how or why 7 would be on the table in any fashion. I've asked the question in here and provided evidence of previous comparable trades done in the past and nobody has been able to explain why it makes sense to include such a pick in any trade for the uncontracted Saad...

Bombers fans have latched onto the idea of 7 because we’ve made it known we intend to trade it.

I’d be very surprised if it was anything more than a late first rounder or equivalent value. Like you say anything more would be unprecedented and in all honestly stupid especially considering we supposedly have other targets.

27 and a player with an upgrade in the 3rd round in the bombers favour could do it. They’re after players.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Saad, an uncontracted, above average running defender is worth #7 and now apparently a contracted Adam Treloar is worth #5 for Gold Coast according to some.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Don't believe they need to structure anything. My understanding is that clubs only need to match his terms in regards to total length and total dollars, not the specific loading for each year. Happy to be corrected.
If he's stated that he only wants Carlton and won't meet with other clubs or have medicals, who would be mental enough to take a chance on a guy for 5 years at $650k, in the hopes that he will turn up and play to the best of his abilities?
People claimed the Gold Coast and Melbourne would both take Martin if he went to the PSD.
The PSD is not Carlton's preferred method of acquiring Saad (wasn't for Martin either). It's their counter to Dodoro's ridiculous demands.
We will offer a fair trade.

Could easily just have him put a 1 year contract for 1 mil on his head for the PSD and then extend as soon as he lands at Carlton... No club would risk paying 1 mil for a player who could walk out the door at season end..

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Saad, an uncontracted, above average running defender is worth #7 and now apparently a contracted Adam Treloar is worth #5 for Gold Coast according to some.

Puts it into perspective how ridiculous the request for 7 is..

 

[perplexed]

If Essendon get band 2 comp for Daniher they could swap it and Saad for pick 7. Essendon may have throw in a late pick too, but it would be close enough to fair.

 

[Triniboy]

According to the internet, who else?

I heard from my best mate's brother's girlfriend's gardener that Carlton offered a 4th.
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[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

If Essendon get band 2 comp for Daniher they could swap it and Saad for pick 7. Essendon may have throw in a late pick too, but it would be close enough to fair.

Not sure how the bands work these days, but I thought band 2 was middles of 1st round (after all teams that didn't make finals have had their pick - technically pick 11 prior to any academy of F/S bids). Or is band 2 end of 1st round (pick 19 prior to bids)?
I'm not sure how many academy or F/S players are expected to go top 20, but if it #7 for Saad and #11, and #11 ended up blowing out to 15-18, I'd probably do that.
If it was #19 and that ended up blowing out to 25+, I'd rather not involve #7.
So basically, I'd be reluctant to hand over #7 to Essendon, but if we got a late 1st back, I'd consider it. If we got a 2nd rounder back, #7 would be off the table.

 

[catman2006]

This trade period could end up in tears for the Bombers with Daniher Saad and Fantasia

 

[GET YOUR DUKES OUT]

I'm not sure how many academy or F/S players are expected to go top 20, but if it #7 for Saad and #11, and #11 ended up blowing out to 15-18, I'd probably do that.
If it was #19 and that ended up blowing out to 25+, I'd rather not involve #7.
So basically, I'd be reluctant to hand over #7 to Essendon, but if we got a late 1st back, I'd consider it. If we got a 2nd rounder back, #7 would be off the table.

You talk about pick 19 blowing out to 25, and 11 blowing out to 15-18.
You realise pick 7 will end up being about pick 9-10

 

[Bostonian]

You talk about pick 19 blowing out to 25, and 11 blowing out to 15-18.
You realise pick 7 will end up being about pick 9-10

Of which he's not worth a top ten pick.

 

[evo]

Jack Martin all over again.

It would be pretty funny.